Yamato Posted April 6, 2016 #626 Share Posted April 6, 2016 Consistency is not the same as accuracy. Polls can be tailored to produce whatever results the pollster wants. We see only the results, not the hand-picked respondents and carefully worded questions. Even the short term predictions have been wrong too often for me to trust anything more than a few weeks out. Currently no one can even predict who the Republican nominee will be, so polls about the general election are meaningless. To me, at least. Polls are usually right, but there's always Michigan. But they're not all Michigan. There's not another conspiracy theory that pollsters are all meaningless liars wanting Donald Trump to appear as if he's losing to Hillary Clinton in every poll. So from a strategic standpoint and in the interest of beating Hillary Clinton in the general election, it would be better to acknowledge and address the weakness(es) against her before it's too late. Messages are tailored to produce whatever results the candidate wants. Donald Trump is going to have to coddle liberals and democrats and women, and that'll be just fine too, when He does it. Not when someone here does it though, they'll get branded like a steer. They're not Donald Trump, and that makes all the difference. Trump can say whatever he wants and change his mind five times in 72 hours and that's okay too. So there is no principle to be counted on anywhere in sight. Faith in whatever the freshly spun conservative's words are on any particular day won't have the thrust to escape the general election's gravity. When Donald comes to center and starts preaching liberal values, that'll be okay too because consistency isn't a virtue. We complain about things like the auto bailouts out of one side of our mouths and appease the fact that Donald Trump supported them out of the other. It's almost every issue we can even hypothetically discuss. Inconsistency becomes the real virtue by necessity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deleted Posted April 7, 2016 #627 Share Posted April 7, 2016 I just watched a Trump speech on CNN, wow it certainly looked like Goebbels was talking. The sheeples repeating after their Fuehrer..... pathetic and embarissing, 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lightly Posted April 7, 2016 #628 Share Posted April 7, 2016 I'm still amazed and dumfounded that Trump has made it to the position he's in. I keep coming back to viewing him as some sort of political trick. Not sure who he's supposed to help or harm. If he stays in, he spits the GOP vote and Hillary wins. if he drops out , for the good of the party and the nation , of course, His votes go to Cruz and he wins. Messy, very messy. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Likely Guy Posted April 7, 2016 #629 Share Posted April 7, 2016 (edited) I'm still amazed and dumfounded that Trump has made it to the position he's in. I keep coming back to viewing him as some sort of political trick. Not sure who he's supposed to help or harm. If he stays in, he spits the GOP vote and Hillary wins. if he drops out , for the good of the party and the nation , of course, His votes go to Cruz and he wins. Messy, very messy. Don't underestimate a contested convention. Delegates have to vote the way they voted on the first ballot, after that they're free. Rubio's name may come up again, that\s why Kasich hasn't thrown in the towel. Edit: That and the super-delegates can wait to the last minute to decide. Edited April 7, 2016 by Likely Guy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yamato Posted April 7, 2016 #630 Share Posted April 7, 2016 Between Hillary riding the celebrity of being a woman and the fact that during a primary, divisions are usually more distinctive, the polls for the General have no meaning. There is some actual difference between Trump and Clinton, right? I would hope that real differences would be a factor in peoples minds and thus a driver in the general poll numbers. The general polls are less predictive because they're predicting an event further into the future. Yes, our confidence in the general polls can't be as high, but believing that they're "meaningless' is rather extreme. Sanders hasn't been hitting Hillary the way that Cruz or Trump will. Her so called "achievements" will be under scrutiny during the General. Now, if the indictment comes about before the DNC, then you might see the super delegates jump ship and where will your polls be? They'll jump ship and fall into Bernie Sanders lap and Br's polls will look fantastic. You're aware that Br approves of socialism? Yes, her so called "achievements" should have been under heavy and hypothetical scrutiny a long, Long, LONG time ago for her to even get to this point, but they weren't. They weren't on CNN, they weren't on NBC, they weren't on Fox News Channel. Because we were all busy and distracted by emails. "The indictment" is now ridiculously too late for the goodness sake of the country, politics be damned! This election stinks to high places of a (another) massive waste of time and money between two fresh bull turds as long as my arm. Attacking Hillary for clerical email protocol obedience is analogous to attacking Bill Clinton for lying about the sexy Jewish intern giving him *******s. Fast forward to today we're still finding a non-reason to attack a Clinton with, and piling all our chips into that. The conservative media (talk radio et al) poop storm about E-mail is Hillary's magical smokescreen, Hillary's man behind the curtain. Finish the attack on Hillary Clinton, RH. If she has no accomplishments, then what about failures? Any failures? Why don't you start a brand new thread that's a general attack against Hillary Clinton that lays out the comprehensive case against her, sans E-mails? Otto wouldn't do it, maybe you can do it? Finally, a thread to answer the question: If Hillary Clinton is so bad, what's wrong with her? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Likely Guy Posted April 7, 2016 #631 Share Posted April 7, 2016 Finish the attack on Hillary Clinton, RH. If she has no accomplishments, then what about failures? Any failures? Why don't you start a brand new thread that's a general attack against Hillary Clinton that lays out the comprehensive case against her, sans E-mails? Otto wouldn't do it, maybe you can do it? Finally, a thread to answer the question: If Hillary Clinton is so bad, what's wrong with her? There is a thread about that. http://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=291049 It is hilarious that people comment on a Trump thread and say "Why don't you complain about Clinton.?" Ummm... because it's a Trump thread maybe? If anyone wants to b**** about a particular candidate, there's ample opportunity in this forum. No need to start a new thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Likely Guy Posted April 7, 2016 #632 Share Posted April 7, 2016 Not a Trump supporter: Naked Donald Trump coming to London: Controversial painting to go on show in capital - after artist receives death threats from billionaire's supporters in the U.S. Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3527111/Naked-Donald-Trump-coming-London-Controversial-painting-capital-artist-receives-death-threats-billionaire-s-supporters-U-S.html#ixzz456izBtbM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Commander Travis Posted April 7, 2016 #633 Share Posted April 7, 2016 I just watched a Trump speech on CNN, wow it certainly looked like Goebbels was talking. The sheeples repeating after their Fuehrer..... pathetic and embarissing, Yes, you're never taken in by propaganda are you. Remember you said this once?Hillary is so much better That's all that people need to know really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Commander Travis Posted April 7, 2016 #634 Share Posted April 7, 2016 Finish the attack on Hillary Clinton, RH. If she has no accomplishments, then what about failures? Any failures? Why don't you start a brand new thread that's a general attack against Hillary Clinton that lays out the comprehensive case against her, sans E-mails? Otto wouldn't do it, maybe you can do it? Finally, a thread to answer the question: If Hillary Clinton is so bad, what's wrong with her? Do you really need it spelling out once again? She's a raving warmonger who will almost certainly start a war with Iran, will step up the "fight against ISIS", and will probably demand "Boots on the ground" after, I wouldn't be surprised, some "terrorist attack" that will be conveniently pinned on ISIS, but which will turn, by one one those cases of "mission creep" that always affect such things, into a campaign against the Tyrant Assad, which of course will be the intention all along. This may well then lead to a head-on confrontation with Russia, if her continuation and enthusiastic expansion of the Obama regime's campaign of provocation against the Tyrant Putin hasn't done so before that. On the subject of which, she will step up America and NATO's support for the fascist "pro-western" regime in Ukraine, with the intention of reigniting the civil war and directly involving the US this time, even if just through the camouflage of "advisers". (There's some real fascists for you, Hellwyr, if you were interested in studying them.) And not only has she a proven record of enthusiasm for regime change, she has record of utter incompetence at it. Even if the actual shock-and-awe, bomb-bomb-bomb-bomb-bomb-bomb-bomb 'em stage is successful (and with the amount of time it took to depose the Tyrant Gaddafi, you have to question that), the success of the new, Free, democratic Libya is an example to all, isn't it. She came, she saw, she ****ed up dismally.But hey, she's so much better than the Trump! She doesn't want to punish women for having abortions! 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Br Cornelius Posted April 7, 2016 #635 Share Posted April 7, 2016 Do you really need it spelling out once again? She's a raving warmonger who will almost certainly start a war with Iran, will step up the "fight against ISIS", and will probably demand "Boots on the ground" after, I wouldn't be surprised, some "terrorist attack" that will be conveniently pinned on ISIS, but which will turn, by one one those cases of "mission creep" that always affect such things, into a campaign against the Tyrant Assad, which of course will be the intention all along. This may well then lead to a head-on confrontation with Russia, if her continuation and enthusiastic expansion of the Obama regime's campaign of provocation against the Tyrant Putin hasn't done so before that. On the subject of which, she will step up America and NATO's support for the fascist "pro-western" regime in Ukraine, with the intention of reigniting the civil war and directly involving the US this time, even if just through the camouflage of "advisers". (There's some real fascists for you, Hellwyr, if you were interested in studying them.) And not only has she a proven record of enthusiasm for regime change, she has record of utter incompetence at it. Even if the actual shock-and-awe, bomb-bomb-bomb-bomb-bomb-bomb-bomb 'em stage is successful (and with the amount of time it took to depose the Tyrant Gaddafi, you have to question that), the success of the new, Free, democratic Libya is an example to all, isn't it. She came, she saw, she ****ed up dismally. But hey, she's so much better than the Trump! She doesn't want to punish women for having abortions! Yep, this is why the Trump side show is so bad for us all - because it guarantees we get the poison witch. Unfortunately there is only one candidate which will not intentionally take America back onto a war footing and he has no chance of winning unless Clinton steps aside. Br Cortnelius Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
acidhead Posted April 7, 2016 #636 Share Posted April 7, 2016 Trump speech in Bethpage, New York April 6, 2016 Full VIDEO: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Commander Travis Posted April 7, 2016 #637 Share Posted April 7, 2016 Yep, this is why the Trump side show is so bad for us all - because it guarantees we get the poison witch. Unfortunately there is only one candidate which will not intentionally take America back onto a war footing and he has no chance of winning unless Clinton steps aside. Br Cortnelius You don't mean Bernie do you? In foreign policy he's scarcely distinguishable from the Clinton, at least insofar as he has a policy (unquestioningly support Israel, seems to be about the size of it). Otherwise he doesn't seem to have any, which means that he'll inevitably just follow the same policy of the Obomber administration. Trump speech in Bethpage, New York April 6, 2016 Full VIDEO: Yay, he's back to MASSIVE. I am pleased. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Br Cornelius Posted April 7, 2016 #638 Share Posted April 7, 2016 The tragic part for the Rubs is that if Trump pulls out (his dirty job of destroying the party completed) they will fall back to Cruz, a man hated even more in the country for been a creepy religious nut job. They are doomed at this stage - and those at the top know it. Br Cornelius Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michelle Posted April 7, 2016 #639 Share Posted April 7, 2016 Do you really need it spelling out once again? She's a raving warmonger who will almost certainly start a war with Iran, will step up the "fight against ISIS", and will probably demand "Boots on the ground" after, I wouldn't be surprised, some "terrorist attack" that will be conveniently pinned on ISIS, but which will turn, by one one those cases of "mission creep" that always affect such things, into a campaign against the Tyrant Assad, which of course will be the intention all along. This may well then lead to a head-on confrontation with Russia, if her continuation and enthusiastic expansion of the Obama regime's campaign of provocation against the Tyrant Putin hasn't done so before that. On the subject of which, she will step up America and NATO's support for the fascist "pro-western" regime in Ukraine, with the intention of reigniting the civil war and directly involving the US this time, even if just through the camouflage of "advisers". (There's some real fascists for you, Hellwyr, if you were interested in studying them.) And not only has she a proven record of enthusiasm for regime change, she has record of utter incompetence at it. Even if the actual shock-and-awe, bomb-bomb-bomb-bomb-bomb-bomb-bomb 'em stage is successful (and with the amount of time it took to depose the Tyrant Gaddafi, you have to question that), the success of the new, Free, democratic Libya is an example to all, isn't it. She came, she saw, she ****ed up dismally. But hey, she's so much better than the Trump! She doesn't want to punish women for having abortions! I had to log in to like this. Hillary doesn't need to change her political party to be the biggest neocon running. Her constituents don't know the difference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Br Cornelius Posted April 7, 2016 #640 Share Posted April 7, 2016 You don't mean Bernie do you? In foreign policy he's scarcely distinguishable from the Clinton, at least insofar as he has a policy (unquestioningly support Israel, seems to be about the size of it). Otherwise he doesn't seem to have any, which means that he'll inevitably just follow the same policy of the Obomber administration. Apart from the support for Israel (very unfortunate - but really no change to American policy) I think you are just projecting there. He has openly stated his opposition for war with Iran and support for the deal that Obama struck - which places him miles ahead of Clinton. Br Cornelius Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Br Cornelius Posted April 7, 2016 #641 Share Posted April 7, 2016 (edited) Amazingly the poll margins are even wider if it came down to Sanders vs Trump. Ditch the B$$$$$ and grab Sanders is the best strategy - do you think Trump will play along with that one If Clinton gets dragged down by the Feds with regard to her Emails (doubtful) all they have to do is replace her with Bernie and their result actually goes up. If only the Republicans could say that about Trump and Cruz. The generally muted response of our Republican brothers suggests they actually know that all this is true and that they have a very small chance of pulling this election out of the bag. Suggests they haven't lost total touch with reality, unlike their party. Br Cornelius Edited April 7, 2016 by Br Cornelius Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yamato Posted April 7, 2016 #642 Share Posted April 7, 2016 There is a thread about that. http://www.unexplain...howtopic=291049 It is hilarious that people comment on a Trump thread and say "Why don't you complain about Clinton.?" Ummm... because it's a Trump thread maybe? If anyone wants to b**** about a particular candidate, there's ample opportunity in this forum. No need to start a new thread. That's another email thread. Do you really need it spelling out once again? She's a raving warmonger who will almost certainly start a war with Iran, will step up the "fight against ISIS", and will probably demand "Boots on the ground" after, I wouldn't be surprised, some "terrorist attack" that will be conveniently pinned on ISIS, but which will turn, by one one those cases of "mission creep" that always affect such things, into a campaign against the Tyrant Assad, which of course will be the intention all along. This may well then lead to a head-on confrontation with Russia, if her continuation and enthusiastic expansion of the Obama regime's campaign of provocation against the Tyrant Putin hasn't done so before that. On the subject of which, she will step up America and NATO's support for the fascist "pro-western" regime in Ukraine, with the intention of reigniting the civil war and directly involving the US this time, even if just through the camouflage of "advisers". (There's some real fascists for you, Hellwyr, if you were interested in studying them.) And not only has she a proven record of enthusiasm for regime change, she has record of utter incompetence at it. Even if the actual shock-and-awe, bomb-bomb-bomb-bomb-bomb-bomb-bomb 'em stage is successful (and with the amount of time it took to depose the Tyrant Gaddafi, you have to question that), the success of the new, Free, democratic Libya is an example to all, isn't it. She came, she saw, she ****ed up dismally. But hey, she's so much better than the Trump! She doesn't want to punish women for having abortions! There's not a single thread about Hillary the Warmonger yet posted on this forum. I'd like to see this case made with facts, figures, sources, evidence and links rather than opinionated rhetoric about "the intentions" and "almost certainly". I think the Cackling video is the only thing you've got because if you're just going to keep using that as your main or only source of information 17 times in a row, then yeah you're going to get sick and tired of it after a point. You might be right but provide some sources for your knowledge and convince me. Why don't you want a Hillary the Warmonger thread? Are you scared you might make Hillary Clinton look bad? Or will you look bad in the eyes of warmongering Republicans? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yamato Posted April 7, 2016 #643 Share Posted April 7, 2016 You don't mean Bernie do you? In foreign policy he's scarcely distinguishable from the Clinton, at least insofar as he has a policy (unquestioningly support Israel, seems to be about the size of it). Otherwise he doesn't seem to have any, which means that he'll inevitably just follow the same policy of the Obomber administration. Yay, he's back to MASSIVE. I am pleased. Donald Trump unquestionably supports Israel too. What did you smoke to make you believe that Donald Trump isn't going to bomb people? Are you conveniently ignoring facts again to fool yourself? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emma_Acid Posted April 7, 2016 #644 Share Posted April 7, 2016 Can anyone please tell me what Trump's 5 main policies are? I've listened to him talk and I just can't work it out. So there's a wall between the US and Mexico. Got it. And he wants to stop Muslims coming to the States (until he's worked out "what's going on"). OK. And punish women who have abortions. Right. But those are angry knee jerk rants. Not policies. What are his actual policies??? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Commander Travis Posted April 7, 2016 #645 Share Posted April 7, 2016 That's another email thread. There's not a single thread about Hillary the Warmonger yet posted on this forum. I'd like to see this case made with facts, figures, sources, evidence and links rather than opinionated rhetoric about "the intentions" and "almost certainly". I think the Cackling video is the only thing you've got because if you're just going to keep using that as your main or only source of information 17 times in a row, then yeah you're going to get sick and tired of it after a point. You might be right but provide some sources for your knowledge and convince me. Why don't you want a Hillary the Warmonger thread? Are you scared you might make Hillary Clinton look bad? Or will you look bad in the eyes of warmongering Republicans? You seem to be becoming more and more trying to defend her. Now you're trying to argue that her record as it stands already isn't shocking enough and where's my proof that she'll bring catastrophe and destruction? The Cackling video is "The only thing I've got"? Like the disaster she talked Obama into in Libya, the fiasco in Syria (and Iraq) that she was right behind, and before that the intervention in Kosovo (or rather not in Kosovo, but a campaign of terror bombing of Serbia), largely on a faked pretext, that she encouraged Bill into, they aren't enough? None of that is enough for you? Trump is still worse because he talks rhetoric about immigrants and he Wants to Punish Women for Having Abortions? You seem to be becoming a closet Hillarian. Can anyone please tell me what Trump's 5 main policies are? I've listened to him talk and I just can't work it out. So there's a wall between the US and Mexico. Got it. And he wants to stop Muslims coming to the States (until he's worked out "what's going on"). OK. And punish women who have abortions. Right. But those are angry knee jerk rants. Not policies. What are his actual policies??? Making America Great Again. Isn't that enough? *dons Uncle Sam hat* 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yamato Posted April 7, 2016 #646 Share Posted April 7, 2016 Back in the olden days, liberals used to say "Blood for oil! You want to invade these countries and take their oil! You're evil!" Conservatives would reply: "Get out of here with that tree hugging hippie crap!" Fast forward to today, Donald Trump says: "We're going to blast the hell out of ISIS. We're going to take the oil." Trumplings sing: "Woohoo! Yee haw! herpy derp!" Otto in there too, confused as all hell, chiming in with the baseless opinion that "Donald Trump doesn't want to bomb anyone!" Where do you learn this BS, Otto? What are you reading? It's not "defending Hillary Clinton", it's attacking the nonsense about Trump. I'm not wrong about Hillary Clinton, but you're wrong about Donald Trump alright. And for the record you can't make a case against Hillary Clinton either. I'm not asking you again, you're done getting chances. Maybe Ravenhawk or Merc can do it, but they love war. Why the hell would they do it? They're too busy supporting Trump with you to worry about what's wrong with Hillary other than her damned emails. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SHaYap Posted April 7, 2016 #647 Share Posted April 7, 2016 What would a President Trump mean for the world? By Jonathan Mann, CNN Updated 1759 GMT (0159 HKT) March 2, 2016 CNN)It's hardly a certainty, but it's now a real and startling possibility -- what should the world expect if Donald Trump is elected U.S. president? ` cnn Politics link ~ A president is the leader of a country or a division or part of a country, typically a republic, a democracy, or a dictatorship. The title "president" is sometimes used by extension for leaders of other groups, including corporate entities. Etymologically, a president is one who presides (from Latin prae- "before" + sedere "to sit"; giving the term praeses). Originally, the term referred to the presiding officer of a ceremony or meeting (i.e., chairman), but today it most commonly refers to an executive official. Among other things, "President" today is a common title for the heads of state of most republics, whether presidential republics, semi-presidential republics or parliamentary republics. wiki link ~ ... rolls and lights up a cigarette ... ~ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cerberusxp Posted April 7, 2016 #648 Share Posted April 7, 2016 (edited) Why would anyone support such a person? Because everyone is against him. Here's 20 reasons. Obama is against Trump The Media is against Trump The establishment Democrats are against Trump The establishment Republicans are against Trump The Pope is against Trump The UN is against Trump The EU is against Trump China is against Trump Mexico is against Trump Soros is against Trump Black Lives Matter is against Trump MoveOn.Org is against Trump Koch Bro’s are against Trump Hateful, racist, violent Liberals are against Trump 21. Trump is creating jobs and he isn't even president yet! Can anyone come up with 20 reasons for the others? Edited April 7, 2016 by cerberusxp 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yamato Posted April 7, 2016 #649 Share Posted April 7, 2016 (edited) "Gaddafi in Libya is killing thousands of people, nobody knows how bad it is, and we’re sitting around we have soldiers all over the Middle East, and we’re not bringing them in to stop this horrible carnage and that’s what it is: It’s a carnage. You talk about things that have happened in history; this could be one of the worst. Now we should go in, we should stop this guy, which would be very easy and very quick. We could do it surgically, stop him from doing it, and save these lives. This is absolutely nuts. We don’t want to get involved and you’re gonna end up with something like you’ve never seen before. But we have go in to save these lives; these people are being slaughtered like animals. It’s horrible what’s going on; it has to be stopped. We should do on a humanitarian basis, immediately go into Libya, knock this guy out very quickly, very surgically, very effectively, and save the lives....and from all of your oil we want reimbursement." ~ Donald J. Trump https://buzzfeed-vid...-28-624x350.mp4 You hearing this, Otto? Yeah. Donald Trump wanted to invade Libya with soldiers. If you don't care about that, then you don't even have the cackling video anymore. That goes away too, and what else is there? If you somehow actually believe that taking other countries' oil is going to be a superior foreign policy, you might want to think a little harder about what you think you believe in. Edited April 7, 2016 by Yamato Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Br Cornelius Posted April 7, 2016 #650 Share Posted April 7, 2016 Because everyone is against him. Here's 20 reasons. Obama is against Trump The Media is against Trump The establishment Democrats are against Trump The establishment Republicans are against Trump The Pope is against Trump The UN is against Trump The EU is against Trump China is against Trump Mexico is against Trump Soros is against Trump Black Lives Matter is against Trump MoveOn.Org is against Trump Koch Bro’s are against Trump Hateful, racist, violent Liberals are against Trump Thats really really sad. Thats what your politics have boiled down to. Br Cornelius Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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