danielost Posted March 20, 2016 #1 Share Posted March 20, 2016 (edited) what design do you think a mars ship should be. i think it should be Enterprise shape. i am a Trekkie. we will have to assemble any ship for a mars mission in space due to the size of the shielding and size of the ship itself. needing that we need to feed the crew. yes i know we are close to having food replicators, but even that requires supplies. since we have to build this ship in space it will need to be designed to be able to carry out more than one type of mission. Edited March 20, 2016 by danielost Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lilly Posted March 20, 2016 #2 Share Posted March 20, 2016 Something like this: http://www.space.com/29562-nasa-manned-mars-mission-phobos.html Not like The Enterprise. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MissJatti Posted March 20, 2016 #3 Share Posted March 20, 2016 (edited) a ship would do, and I think its to early to make a space ship so big such as the enterprise Edited March 20, 2016 by MissJatti Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Noteverythingisaconspiracy Posted March 20, 2016 #4 Share Posted March 20, 2016 This is the current NASA baseline Mars transfer vehicle: Or possibly something like this if we go for a solar electric drive: 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThisIsALF Posted March 20, 2016 #5 Share Posted March 20, 2016 Everything NASA comes up with looks like garbage. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danielost Posted March 20, 2016 Author #6 Share Posted March 20, 2016 a ship would do, and I think its to early to make a space ship so big such as the enterprise such a ship wouldn't have to be as big as the Enterprise. i am talking about a ship big enough for say a ten man crew not a thousand. yes i know the Enterprise has a crew of around 500. but the shape can be the same. the components would have to fit in our launch missiles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lilly Posted March 20, 2016 #7 Share Posted March 20, 2016 .... the components would have to fit in our launch missiles. Why do we need 'launch missiles'? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danielost Posted March 20, 2016 Author #8 Share Posted March 20, 2016 Why do we need 'launch missiles'? at the moment that is what we are using. cargo space inside a missile. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DingoLingo Posted March 20, 2016 #9 Share Posted March 20, 2016 at a guess it will be a long narrow type.. a long cylinder.. prob some kind of rotating section for artificial gravity area.. remember guys.. we do not have shield tech.. so the nose of the ship will be heavily armoured .. be along the lines of this kind of thing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danielost Posted March 20, 2016 Author #10 Share Posted March 20, 2016 at a guess it will be a long narrow type.. a long cylinder.. prob some kind of rotating section for artificial gravity area.. remember guys.. we do not have shield tech.. so the nose of the ship will be heavily armoured .. be along the lines of this kind of thing at a guess it will be a long narrow type.. a long cylinder.. prob some kind of rotating section for artificial gravity area.. remember guys.. we do not have shield tech.. so the nose of the ship will be heavily armoured .. be along the lines of this kind of thing ships like this would be to easy to just throw away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Noteverythingisaconspiracy Posted March 20, 2016 #11 Share Posted March 20, 2016 at the moment that is what we are using. cargo space inside a missile. A missile and a rocket are not the same thing. There are missiles that are not rocket propelled, just as there are rockets that aren't missiles. Missile: Self propelled guided weapon. (modern usage) Rocket: A vehicle that uses rockets for propulsion. The correct name you are looking for is launch vehicle. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Noteverythingisaconspiracy Posted March 20, 2016 #12 Share Posted March 20, 2016 (edited) ships like this would be to easy to just throw away. What does the look of a vehicle have to do with its reusability ? The Enterprise may be cool looking, but from an engineering standpoint it doesn't make any sense. Its engine placement would make it incredibly unstable. There is a very good reason why spacecrafts allways have their engines on the centerline, not in nacelles on top of them. It would be a very unpleasant experience to actually travel on a spacecraft made like the Enterprise. Its fine to like Startrek, but please don't think it have anything to do with real engineering. People who are interested in a more detailed look at how spacecrafts might look like in the real world, might want to take a look at this site: http://www.projectrho.com/public_html/rocket/basicdesign.php Its really great. Edited March 20, 2016 by Noteverythingisaconspiracy 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danielost Posted March 20, 2016 Author #13 Share Posted March 20, 2016 A missile and a rocket are not the same thing. There are missiles that are not rocket propelled, just as there are rockets that aren't missiles. Missile: Self propelled guided weapon. (modern usage) Rocket: A vehicle that uses rockets for propulsion. The correct name you are looking for is launch vehicle. except that every thing we have launched into texcept the shuttle has been missile based. doesn't matter the fuel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danielost Posted March 20, 2016 Author #14 Share Posted March 20, 2016 (edited) What does the look of a vehicle have to do with its reusability ? The Enterprise may be cool looking, but from an engineering standpoint it doesn't make any sense. Its engine placement would make it incredibly unstable. There is a very good reason why spacecrafts allways have their engines on the centerline, not in nacelles on top of them. It would be a very unpleasant experience to actually travel on a spacecraft made like the Enterprise. Its fine to like Startrek, but please don't think it have anything to do with real engineering. People who are interested in a more detailed look at how spacecrafts might look like in the real world, might want to take a look at this site: http://www.projectrh...basicdesign.php Its really great. in the star trek universe, a fed destroy only has a disk and engine pod.center line. an engine pod off center would mean you don't have to flip the ship to slow or stop. Edited March 20, 2016 by danielost Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek Willis Posted March 20, 2016 #15 Share Posted March 20, 2016 except that every thing we have launched into texcept the shuttle has been missile based. doesn't matter the fuel. It is the purpose that matters. The Soyuz launcher began life as an intercontinental ballistic missile. But now it is not a missile (except in the strict literal definition of the word) it is a launch vehicle. The word rocket is derived from the Italian rocchetta, which means a spool of string. But that hardly applies nowadays! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek Willis Posted March 20, 2016 #16 Share Posted March 20, 2016 Its fine to like Startrek, but please don't think it have anything to do with real engineering. Are you saying that the dilithium crystals used as moderators in matter-anti matter warp drive engines are not real engineering! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danielost Posted March 20, 2016 Author #17 Share Posted March 20, 2016 star trek is as close to engineering and science that the writers could get and still have a show or shows. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SHaYap Posted March 20, 2016 #18 Share Posted March 20, 2016 ~ ~Oh dear lawd ... at this pace we'd never reach Mars .... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Hammerclaw Posted March 21, 2016 #19 Share Posted March 21, 2016 Always loved this design. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Noteverythingisaconspiracy Posted March 21, 2016 #20 Share Posted March 21, 2016 (edited) star trek is as close to engineering and science that the writers could get and still have a show or shows. You really shouldn't try to apply engineering to shows like Star Trek or Starwars. They are fiction. Just enjoy them as entertainment. Do you watch the Hobbit or Game of Thrones and try to work out how dragons can fly ? Edited March 21, 2016 by Noteverythingisaconspiracy 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lilly Posted March 21, 2016 #21 Share Posted March 21, 2016 Do you watch the Hobbit or Game of Thrones and try to work out how dragons can fly ? Absolutely, doesn't everyone? 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SHaYap Posted March 21, 2016 #22 Share Posted March 21, 2016 Enter the Hogwarts and the Flying Brooms ... ~ ~ ... Oh but Madam Hooch ... Don't you get saucy with me young man ... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danielost Posted March 21, 2016 Author #23 Share Posted March 21, 2016 You really shouldn't try to apply engineering to shows like Star Trek or Starwars. They are fiction. Just enjoy them as entertainment. Do you watch the Hobbit or Game of Thrones and try to work out how dragons can fly ? no, but scientist have. i know star trek is fictional, what i said is the (original) show was as close to engineering as it can get and still have a show. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quaentum Posted March 21, 2016 #24 Share Posted March 21, 2016 (edited) I prefer something along these lines: http://d2rormqr1qwzp...csnap-00510.jpg Edited March 21, 2016 by Quaentum Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danielost Posted March 21, 2016 Author #25 Share Posted March 21, 2016 looks like a good lander to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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