Lilly Posted March 23, 2016 #101 Share Posted March 23, 2016 Not really. All religions want control. Their methods just vary. There's big difference between just being told, "Do what we tell you or you will go to Hell when you die" verses pulling out a large knife and cutting off your head or placing you in a cage and burning you alive or bombing/shooting you into bloody bits at a concert/airport/holiday party. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lilly Posted March 23, 2016 #102 Share Posted March 23, 2016 I'm not a big fan of Trump - but I do agree with all of his comments and views concerning ISIS in the article. Yeah, it appears that Trump got this one right. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Imaginarynumber1 Posted March 23, 2016 #103 Share Posted March 23, 2016 There's big difference between just being told, "Do what we tell you or you will go to Hell when you die" verses pulling out a large knife and cutting off your head or placing you in a cage and burning you alive or bombing/shooting you into bloody bits at a concert/airport/holiday party. Again, different methods but same result expected. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Careful_perspective Posted March 23, 2016 #104 Share Posted March 23, 2016 ALL religions are a cancer. They are oppressive and subjugating. This statement is rather unfair. I am a Christian and I never once have felt oppressed or subjugated. I've only ever felt uplifted, joyful and productive. I think it would be more fair to make the connection between power hungry people using religion to manipulate and harm others. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Imaginarynumber1 Posted March 23, 2016 #105 Share Posted March 23, 2016 This statement is rather unfair. I am a Christian and I never once have felt oppressed or subjugated. I've only ever felt uplifted, joyful and productive. I think it would be more fair to make the connection between power hungry people using religion to manipulate and harm others. Agree to disagree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lilly Posted March 23, 2016 #106 Share Posted March 23, 2016 I'd rather be in a room full of Christians than a room full of ISIS supporters. I'd rather be told I'm going to Hell verses having my head lobbed off. This constitutes a very big difference IMO. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Jim Posted March 23, 2016 #107 Share Posted March 23, 2016 Again, different methods but same result expected. You may claim you are not an irrational number, but in this case you are being an irrational person. Do you really mean to equate preaching to the masses to mass murder? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Imaginarynumber1 Posted March 23, 2016 #108 Share Posted March 23, 2016 Do you really mean to equate preaching to the masses to mass murder? Did you see me say that anywhere? I don't think so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astra. Posted March 23, 2016 #109 Share Posted March 23, 2016 Again, different methods but same result expected. Imaginary - metaphorically speaking of course. Who would you rather spend your time with if you were captured and held hostage - ISIS or the Pope ? 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Imaginarynumber1 Posted March 23, 2016 #110 Share Posted March 23, 2016 Imaginary - metaphorically speaking of course. Who would you rather spend your time with if you were captured and held hostage - ISIS or the Pope ? I'd probably just kill myself in either case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bavarian Raven Posted March 23, 2016 #111 Share Posted March 23, 2016 Not really. All religions want control. Their methods just vary. Not really. when was the last time pagans tried to take over? Or blow themselves up killing others? Etc etc. It's mainly just the Massive organized religions that do that sort of stuff these days. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lilly Posted March 23, 2016 #112 Share Posted March 23, 2016 I'd probably just kill myself in either case. Not necessary...ISIS would lop off your head (they don't like atheists either) and the Pope would just let you go in peace. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astra. Posted March 23, 2016 #113 Share Posted March 23, 2016 I'd probably just kill myself in either case. No you wouldn't - ISIS would have you all tied up - just before they chop off your head. The Pope on the other hand - would probably get weary of you - bless you - then send you on your merry way. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Careful_perspective Posted March 23, 2016 #114 Share Posted March 23, 2016 (edited) Agree to disagree. Sigh! Fine Edit: You know you're a rascal Edited March 23, 2016 by Rinna Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kartikg Posted March 23, 2016 #115 Share Posted March 23, 2016 I lived in a section of town which was like 60% Muslim and 40% Christian. My landlords were Christian I never had any problems now my landlords are Muslims and I don't have a problem either. The former area had plenty I mean really plenty of churches and mosques . I was asked to accept Jesus in my life (conversion) thrice by 2 churchs else I was going to hell I had a long long debate on why should I convert and am I really going to hell for not accepting Jesus the conversation made me realize that Christians are doing what I term a soft and charming terrorism where as Islam is doing hard terrorism both led by their religious leaders. I have also observed individually Muslims are regular people but when they are in some majority they are bit biased . The concept of brotherhood is really strong and they fight back when an non Muslim as a fight with them no matter whose fault which started the fight. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Jim Posted March 23, 2016 #116 Share Posted March 23, 2016 I said "Do you really mean to equate preaching to the masses to mass murder?" Did you see me say that anywhere? I don't think so. Right here:"Not really. All religions want control. Their methods just vary" and here: "Again, different methods but same result expected" You are clearly stating they are all the same and that one method equals another. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+and-then Posted March 23, 2016 #117 Share Posted March 23, 2016 Start of thread derailment. and then, are you kidding me? Your link talks about 10,000 to be admitted. I was talking about the fictitious 10's of thousands that were admitted to the US just last year, alluded to by Merc. Please. You can be as legalistic about the topic as you like but the fact is that our president, as usual, has spoken and it WILL be as he wishes. The immigrants from Syria CANNOT be properly vetted yet he is ensuring that they are going to be allowed unfettered entry and movement. When you allow 10000 mostly young men to enter your country and move about freely then an event like Brussels is just a matter of time. More than 30 innocent human being died in Brussels yesterday. THREE men pulled that off. The only thing governing how high the body count will be is their access to sophisticated weaponry. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pallidin Posted March 23, 2016 #118 Share Posted March 23, 2016 I hope the authorities in Belgium can succeed in gaining intel and capturing the dominant radical weirdo's there before more such terror events happen over there. Of course, the same for all of Europe and the rest of the world. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+and-then Posted March 23, 2016 #119 Share Posted March 23, 2016 (edited) Please. What percentage of Protestants are in the KKK? There are fewer Christians in violent hate groups than Muslims in homicidal terroristic groups. Your post sounds "nice", but it's not based in facts and reality. I think Matthew had it right about this type of thinking:Ye blind guides, which strain at a gnat, and swallow a camel. Edited March 23, 2016 by and then Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+and-then Posted March 23, 2016 #120 Share Posted March 23, 2016 Belgium are as "special" as ALL these other places: please refer to the link, because the list is too long to put here: https://en.wikipedia...rrorist_attacks and with this history, the west have allowed them to build mosques and flourish.....jeeze! it is beyond belief what the political leaders have allowed to happen because of their multicultreligious ideas. If there is one religion which just should not be allowed to flourish in non Islamic countries = islam is IT! I'll go a bit further... if, as a Christian my fellows of faith were acting in such a way I would NOT constantly be crying about mistreatment by those who were suffering the consequences. I'd EXPECT to be found guilty by association. But I would see that coming and would loudly declare and work toward helping people understand that I wanted to help stop those wrong doers in any way possible. By just raising a fuss about being "mistreated" all they are doing is appearing to provide cover for the killers. This is going to get really ugly and they'd better start planning ahead on which side they choose to stand. I'm not sure how Europeans will deal with this kind of slaughter happening regularly but I can tell you that there are places in America that will become "no go zones" for Muslims. They just really won't want to find themselves there... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saru Posted March 23, 2016 #121 Share Posted March 23, 2016 Thread cleaned Can we keep the comments civil and respectful please - don't let recent events be an excuse to peddle hate. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Likely Guy Posted March 24, 2016 #122 Share Posted March 24, 2016 (edited) You can be as legalistic about the topic as you like but the fact is that our president, as usual, has spoken and it WILL be as he wishes. The immigrants from Syria CANNOT be properly vetted yet he is ensuring that they are going to be allowed unfettered entry and movement. When you allow 10000 mostly young men to enter your country and move about freely then an event like Brussels is just a matter of time. More than 30 innocent human being died in Brussels yesterday. THREE men pulled that off. The only thing governing how high the body count will be is their access to sophisticated weaponry. You call it "legalistic", I call "realistic" when Merc incorrectly asserted that the U.S. admitted 10's of thousands of young Syrian males last year (re: page 3, post #38). That's patently false and it panders to people's unrealistic fears. In fact about 3,000 Syrian refugees have been admitted in the last five years, which are mostly families or persecuted Christians. I'm also wondering why Merc hasn't honourably addressed his falsehood. By the way, where did you hear that these future refugees were mostly young men? Or is that a made up "fact" as well? Edited March 24, 2016 by Likely Guy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merc14 Posted March 24, 2016 #123 Share Posted March 24, 2016 (edited) You call it "legalistic", I call "realistic" when Merc incorrectly asserted that the U.S. admitted 10's of thousands of young Syrian males last year. That's patently false that panders to peoples unrealistic fears. I'm also wondering why Merc hasn't honourably addressed this falsehood. By the way, where did you hear that these future refugees were mostly young men? Or is that a made up "fact" as well? The UN said that we accepted 96K+ muslim refugees in 2014 alone http://www.economist.../daily-chart-15 In all cases Obama's decision making has sshown itself to be disastrously bad and now he has had to admit that the prisoners he had released from Gitmo are right back at work killigAmericans and others http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_CONGRESS_GUANTANAMO?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2016-03-23-12-58-40 Obama plans on 10k more this year in addition to the 1500 Syrians allowed in last year http://www.cnn.com/2...yrian-refugees/ This is not acceptable when these people have shown a propensity for not assimilating and then getting angry when the world doesn't adapt to their misogynistic ways. Why are rich Islamic countries taking these refugees in? Edited March 24, 2016 by Merc14 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Likely Guy Posted March 24, 2016 #124 Share Posted March 24, 2016 (edited) The UN said that we accepted 96K+ muslim refugees in 2014 alone http://www.economist.../daily-chart-15 *snip pretty graph* Obama plans on 10k more this year in addition to the 1500 Syrians allowed in last year http://www.cnn.com/2...yrian-refugees/ This is not acceptable when these people have shown a propensity for not assimilating and then getting angry when the world doesn't adapt to their misogynistic ways., That's a pretty ... meaningless graph and not at all what you said in post #38. Now it 96,000 refugees "+ muslims." Can't admit when you were wrong? Where's the 10's of thousands of fighting age Syrian males admitted last year? Edited March 24, 2016 by Likely Guy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merc14 Posted March 24, 2016 #125 Share Posted March 24, 2016 (edited) That's a pretty ... meaningless graph and not at all what you said in post #38. Now it 96,000 refugees "+ muslims." Can't admit when you were wrong? Where's the 10's of thousands of fighting age Syrian males admitted last year? If I wrote it like that it was wrong and very poorly worded. Edited March 24, 2016 by Merc14 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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