Explosions hit Brussels airport,

[Hawken]

Truly cannot imagine what anyone says about Christians that's bad.

Jesus said to turn the other cheek, he taught forgiveness and mercy and preached love eternal. A far cry from what Islam is showing the world right now.

I'm Catholic, and I wish I could be as good as I should be, but really difficult to watch babies murdered and then want to turn the other cheek. For me,anyway.

People will poke fun at Christians for coming to one's door and ask you if you've found Jesus. Yes it can be an annoyance

but they don't behead or burn people alive. Maybe we should hug a Christian instead of belittle them.

[docyabut2]

I see my thread of What should be done to end this war of ISIS terror on the world is closed, but I have to agree with Trump and others, a world coalition should go in carpet bomb the hell out of them.I remember my Dad saying there were about 20,000 people killed when the world went in and bomb Berlin, lives will be lost but how many lives will be saved in the future. Destroy Isis and let the Syrian people decide , vote on who they want as a government and leaders, so the refugees can all go back. Egypt did it in getting rid of these Islamic fanatics in their government and what the Arab spring was all about getting rid of dictators and the freedom to vote.

Really guys how much longer is the world going to stand back and wait till they do blow up a nuclear plant, or get their hands on a nuke killing thousands and a Islamic country that would support them.

[+susieice]

Here's our Prez. Tangoing in Argentina!

http://www.cnn.com/2016/03/23/politics/obama-dancing-tango-argentina/?iid=ob_homepage_deskrecommended_pool&iref=obnetwork

Darn links!!

Edited March 24, 2016 by susieice

[docyabut2]

He is just enjoying a world vacation tour, before he leaves office.

[Arbenol]

What exactly do these monsters hope to gain from such attacks?

Exactly what they're getting (judging by many posts here).

They want you to fear all Muslims. They want Muslims in the West to be marginalised and persecuted. No greater motivator for recruitment.

They want to produce, in Europe and USA, the kind of chaos that exists in Syria. The kind that creates a vacuum into which they can step.

Trump's rhetoric is their wet dream.

[docyabut2]

Exactly what they're getting (judging by many posts here).

They want you to fear all Muslims. They want Muslims in the West to be marginalised and persecuted. No greater motivator for recruitment.

They want to produce, in Europe and USA, the kind of chaos that exists in Syria. The kind that creates a vacuum into which they can step.

Trump's rhetoric is their wet dream.

I don nt think so to fear all Muslims, but to also protect them in our country of the US.

[aztek]

lol, they will never make us be afraid of all muslims, but they will make all muslims in usa be afraid

[Sakari]

Exactly what they're getting (judging by many posts here).

They want you to fear all Muslims. They want Muslims in the West to be marginalised and persecuted. No greater motivator for recruitment.

They want to produce, in Europe and USA, the kind of chaos that exists in Syria. The kind that creates a vacuum into which they can step.

Trump's rhetoric is their wet dream.

Ah yes, another defendant of how peaceful Islam is............

Let's answer this honestly, and factually.....Not opinions.

ISIS makes no secret of its ultimate ambition: A global caliphate secured through a global war. To that end it speaks of "remaining and expanding" its existing hold over much of Iraq and Syria. It aims to replace existing, man-made borders, to overcome what it sees as the Shiite "crescent" that has emerged across the Middle East, to take its war -- Islam's war -- to Europe and America, and ultimately to lead Muslims toward an apocalyptic battle against the "disbelievers."

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Edited March 25, 2016 by Sakari

[Big Jim]

Exactly what they're getting (judging by many posts here).

They want you to fear all Muslims. They want Muslims in the West to be marginalised and persecuted. No greater motivator for recruitment.

They want to produce, in Europe and USA, the kind of chaos that exists in Syria. The kind that creates a vacuum into which they can step.

Trump's rhetoric is their wet dream.

I don't know how it is in NZ, but here in the U.S. Muslims are not persecuted. Yes, there have been instances where some drunken redneck throws things at a mosque, but then they become the ones prosecuted. Of course, the media plays those kind of stories over and over until it seems to be rampant, but it's not. There is no official persecution of Muslims, quite the opposite, they are probably the only churches of any kind being guarded. I pass a large mosque frequently and it's not uncommon to see a highway patrol car parked discreetly in a corner of the lot.

I hear a lot about any actions taken against terrorists leading to greater recruitment. Hillary said the same just the other day. While I don't believe that is where our focus should be, there are far better ways to impact their recruitment efforts than being nice to them. For one, we need to close the revolving door between the west and countries known or suspected to be terrorist training grounds. We already have seen cases where Americans and others have gone to Syria to be trained as terrorists and then return home to carry out their attacks. Simple, don't allow reentry from those countries. This is a war, and unless we get on a war footing towards the enemy we are destined to lose. The last war we won was WWII and that was because the whole nation was behind the effort. Commodities were rationed, money was raised through war bonds. Every possible effort was put forth and hardships endured by common citizens in cooperation with their government. We recognized the enemy and were aware of the stakes. Our current administration won't even name the enemy. We're so afraid of hurting anyone's feelings that we use it as an excuse to be timid and stupid. Correct me if I'm wrong, but so far no attacks have been carried out by grandmothers from Dubuque, yet we continue to frisk them, yet let somebody get worried about a group of men in turbans praying on a plane an we label them racist. I don't see how you think Trump is helping them. He's the only one so far, that I've heard, that has any plan at all. Anyone can pick it apart as not perfect, but he does not yet have access to the panels of experts and advisors that our current President ignores. I'm confident that we have experts and military brass who know what to do but who so far are just waiting for orders to do it. Trump will untie their hands and in so doing will strike a blow for freedom that is long over due.

[alibongo]

Religion is ancient superstitious nonsense, we all know that.

I don't know why the intelligentsia in the West doesn't just say, okay we will all convert. Convert from one lot of nonsense to another sort.

They will have lost nothing, and gained peace.

I don't care if the world is ruled by pasterfarians, rorteferains, jedhi knighs or kebebists.

[Astra.]

Exactly what they're getting (judging by many posts here).

They want you to fear all Muslims. They want Muslims in the West to be marginalised and persecuted. No greater motivator for recruitment.

They want to produce, in Europe and USA, the kind of chaos that exists in Syria. The kind that creates a vacuum into which they can step.

Trump's rhetoric is their wet dream.

Yes - as they want to cause as much calamity and chaos as they possibly can.

It's our fearful reactions and shock after the atrocities that they inflict - which is precisely what ISIS plans for and wants.

They strike soft targets when our guards are down - they execute people by be-heading them - burn people alive etc..

That's what terrorism is - it's despicable and cowardly - but that's what psychological warfare is about.

And yes - it's working - as they have certainly gotten the worlds attention.

Edit to add - this terrorist group should have been stomped on 4 years ago when they were a small group of extremists. Why in the hell were they allowed to grow so large ??

Edited March 25, 2016 by Astra.

[Arbenol]

Ah yes, another defendant of how peaceful Islam is............

How on earth did you get that from my post?

You couldn't be more wrong if you tried.

[Arbenol]

Yes - as they want to cause as much calamity and chaos as they possibly can.

It's our fearful reactions and shock after the atrocities that they inflict - which is precisely what ISIS plans for and wants.

They strike soft targets when our guards are down - they execute people by be-heading them - burn people alive etc..

That's what terrorism is - it's despicable and cowardly - but that's what psychological warfare is about.

And yes - it's working - as they have certainly gotten the worlds attention.

Edit to add - this terrorist group should have been stomped on 4 years ago when they were a small group of extremists. Why in the hell were they allowed to grow so large ??

Thankyou.

Someone who understood my post.

Edited March 25, 2016 by Arbenol

[Arbenol]

I don't know how it is in NZ, but here in the U.S. Muslims are not persecuted. Yes, there have been instances where some drunken redneck throws things at a mosque, but then they become the ones prosecuted. Of course, the media plays those kind of stories over and over until it seems to be rampant, but it's not. There is no official persecution of Muslims, quite the opposite, they are probably the only churches of any kind being guarded. I pass a large mosque frequently and it's not uncommon to see a highway patrol car parked discreetly in a corner of the lot.

I hear a lot about any actions taken against terrorists leading to greater recruitment. Hillary said the same just the other day. While I don't believe that is where our focus should be, there are far better ways to impact their recruitment efforts than being nice to them. For one, we need to close the revolving door between the west and countries known or suspected to be terrorist training grounds. We already have seen cases where Americans and others have gone to Syria to be trained as terrorists and then return home to carry out their attacks. Simple, don't allow reentry from those countries. This is a war, and unless we get on a war footing towards the enemy we are destined to lose. The last war we won was WWII and that was because the whole nation was behind the effort. Commodities were rationed, money was raised through war bonds. Every possible effort was put forth and hardships endured by common citizens in cooperation with their government. We recognized the enemy and were aware of the stakes. Our current administration won't even name the enemy. We're so afraid of hurting anyone's feelings that we use it as an excuse to be timid and stupid. Correct me if I'm wrong, but so far no attacks have been carried out by grandmothers from Dubuque, yet we continue to frisk them, yet let somebody get worried about a group of men in turbans praying on a plane an we label them racist. I don't see how you think Trump is helping them. He's the only one so far, that I've heard, that has any plan at all. Anyone can pick it apart as not perfect, but he does not yet have access to the panels of experts and advisors that our current President ignores. I'm confident that we have experts and military brass who know what to do but who so far are just waiting for orders to do it. Trump will untie their hands and in so doing will strike a blow for freedom that is long over due.

I agree. Some prudent measures there.

I don't believe that Muslims are persecuted right now but all the ingredients are falling into place. Young Muslims males are immediately suspicious characters. Trump's policies may well turn out effective (if he gets the chance to implement them) but his rhetoric is often rabble rousing. It's exactly what they want. Someone to fan the flames.

It isn't just about recruitment. It's about provoking an overreaction from the west.

ISIS anticipates that the new strategy could threaten security for Muslims in the West, helping stimulate more ISIS recruits while unifying Islam.

http://yaleglobal.ya...sten-apocalypse

The Islamic State Wants the West to Over-React and Hasten Apocalypse

[Arbenol]

lol, they will never make us be afraid of all muslims, but they will make all muslims in usa be afraid

That's the point.

[Big Jim]

Yes - as they want to cause as much calamity and chaos as they possibly can.

It's our fearful reactions and shock after the atrocities that they inflict - which is precisely what ISIS plans for and wants.

They strike soft targets when our guards are down - they execute people by be-heading them - burn people alive etc..

That's what terrorism is - it's despicable and cowardly - but that's what psychological warfare is about.

And yes - it's working - as they have certainly gotten the worlds attention.

Edit to add - this terrorist group should have been stomped on 4 years ago when they were a small group of extremists. Why in the hell were they allowed to grow so large ??

Because our leaders have not waged war in return. We've made a lot of noise about making war. Blew up some stuff. But we didn't go at it to win. The West treats terrorism like it's a crime. We arrest people and put them on trial. We read them their rights. The terrorists are willing to die for their cause. They see themselves as the latest wave on the front lines of a war that has been going on for centuries. While we have regrettably lost many lives in the effort, our response has been largely a charade. Until we match them in intensity they will continue to grow. The attacks in Brussels happened 2 days ago. How many of their training camps have we bombed in retaliation since then?

[Astra.]

Because our leaders have not waged war in return. We've made a lot of noise about making war. Blew up some stuff. But we didn't go at it to win. The West treats terrorism like it's a crime. We arrest people and put them on trial. We read them their rights. The terrorists are willing to die for their cause. They see themselves as the latest wave on the front lines of a war that has been going on for centuries. While we have regrettably lost many lives in the effort, our response has been largely a charade. Until we match them in intensity they will continue to grow. The attacks in Brussels happened 2 days ago. How many of their training camps have we bombed in retaliation since then?

Well - a proper political response is certainly lacking in regards to the attack in Brussels. Quite frankly I'm not even sure if the West knows what to do...(even Putin has gone quiet )

Would putting boots on the ground help - or would it simply make matters worse ?

I feel that if Western leaders hadn't intervened so much in the first place - things may have been a different story concerning the horrors we are witnessing today.

I think ISIS is the consequence of our meddling and past interventions - I feel we may have played an instrumental role in their evil emergence.

Even so - it is what it is - and we still have to deal with it in one way or another.

Edited March 25, 2016 by Astra.

[Habitat]

Well - a proper political response is certainly lacking in regards to the attack in Brussels. Quite frankly I'm not even sure if the West knows what to do.

Would putting boots on the ground help - or would it simply make matters worse ?

I feel that if Western leaders hadn't intervened so much in the first place - things may have been a different story concerning the horrors we are witnessing today.

I think ISIS is the consequence of our meddling and past interventions - I feel we may have played an instrumental role in their evil emergence.

Even so - it is what it is - and we still have to deal with it in one way or another.

Fair analysis I think. Mission still not accomplished.

[Big Jim]

Well - a proper political response is certainly lacking in regards to the attack in Brussels. Quite frankly I'm not even sure if the West knows what to do...(even Putin has gone quiet )

Would putting boots on the ground help - or would it simply make matters worse ?

I feel that if Western leaders hadn't intervened so much in the first place - things may have been a different story concerning the horrors we are witnessing today.

I think ISIS is the consequence of our meddling and past interventions - I feel we may have played an instrumental role in their evil emergence.

Even so - it is what it is - and we still have to deal with it in one way or another.

The political response is beyond lacking, it's embarrassing and dangerous. Immediately after the bombs went off, President Obama went to a ball game. Before responding he went dancing. I saw a clip of him today, perhaps taken while he was sitting one out, where he said that "we can defeat ISIS in part by telling them they are weak." Honest to God, those were his words. http://video.foxnews.com/v/4816627081001/what-weve-learned-from-the-terror-attack-in-brussels/?intcmp=hpvid1

With missiles, drones and fighter jets I see no reason why we would have to put boots on the ground. We could hit every known terrorist camp within 24 hours from thousand of miles away.

ISIS is just the latest incarnation of an enemy that has been battling the West for centuries. In the seventies the preferred mode of terrorists was hijacking planes. That was long before any of the recent wars that are blamed for inciting them. I agree completely with your last line. When a dog has it's teeth in your leg it's useless to argue about who raised the puppy.

[acidhead]

ISIS Killed My Friends - Brussels Terrorist Attack

[Astra.]

The political response is beyond lacking, it's embarrassing and dangerous. Immediately after the bombs went off, President Obama went to a ball game. Before responding he went dancing. I saw a clip of him today, perhaps taken while he was sitting one out, where he said that "we can defeat ISIS in part by telling them they are weak." Honest to God, those were his words. http://video.foxnews.../?intcmp=hpvid1

Yes - well that's Obama for you... so I'm not really surprised. I doubt he'll be remembered for having strong leader ship qualities after he leaves the White House.

Overall and by the sounds of it - he's done a terrible job in nearly the eight years he's been head honcho.

Good luck with your next choice of boss.

With missiles, drones and fighter jets I see no reason why we would have to put boots on the ground. We could hit every known terrorist camp within 24 hours from thousand of miles away.

I thought air strikes had already been launched by the coalition including Russia striking ISIS targets.

It's a bit difficult to use these type of strategies tho - when there are ISIS terrorists hiding and laying underground in parts and throughout Europe ..... and god only knows where else ?

ISIS is just the latest incarnation of an enemy that has been battling the West for centuries. In the seventies the preferred mode of terrorists was hijacking planes. That was long before any of the recent wars that are blamed for inciting them.

Yes - I realize that these extremist lunatics have been waging war and hatred towards the West for eon's.

I'm just more focused on the recent and the current events of this ugly scourge we know as ISIS (as disturbing as it is)

I agree completely with your last line. When a dog has it's teeth in your leg it's useless to argue about who raised the puppy.

I like that analogy about the dog. It's very true.

Edited March 25, 2016 by Astra.

[likwidlite]

Looking at google news the MSM seems fixated with a tweet a guy made about confronting a Muslim woman, who has now been arrested for inciting racial hatred!

Both the Guardian and the Indi have this non-story slapped on the front page of their site. Now what the guy said was a bit silly, but inciting racial hatred? Really.

What's more interesting is that on nearly every MSM site the comments have been removed from the stories. This in on both left and right wing sites.

So;

1. Why is this non-story deemed as newsworthy as the attack in Brussels?

2. Why has Matthew Doyle, of Croydon, been charged with publishing material that is ‘threatening, abusive or insulting, likely or intended to stir up racial hatred' for posting this tweet.

"I confronted a Muslim woman in Croydon yesterday. I asked her to explain Brussels. She said 'nothing to do with me'. A mealy-mouthed reply."

3. Why have comments been removed from nearly all MSM websites. Even the Express and Mail have removed commenting!

4. If the quote from question 2 is deemed as breaking the law how many people in this topic alone should be expecting a knock on the door from plod?

[aztek]

https://www.facebook.com/105477983124317/videos/247400138932100/

[Astra.]

https://www.facebook...47400138932100/

Oh - what nice people

[regeneratia]

Israel and Saudi Arabia are IS. Didn't you ever wonder why none of the Israeli and Saudi interests are not being attacked? And yet, the mossad has done just that, attack it's own, to further an agenda, which has been fully admitted to by mossad. Of course, we all know that Netty Baby is steeped in the Mossad. It is his default way of thinking. So I think he is taking the terrorist skills he finely honed on Palistine and moved it to the world arena. It is nice to know that someone else thinks this too.

Sometimes, there is one in fifteen, or one and ten people who immediately sense the truth. Are you one of them?

https://consortiumne...sion-in-israel/

Testing Out Repression in Israel

February 27, 2016., By Dennis J Bernstein

Jeff Halper, co-founder of the Israeli Committee Against House Demolitions, sees the brutal practice of destroying Palestinian homes and similar tactics as part of an experiment in social repression that can have broader implications as income inequality spreads across the globe, as he told Dennis J Bernstein.

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https://consortiumne...loosening-grip/

Netanyahu’s Loosening Grip

March 10, 2016

Pandering to Israel has been a long-revered rule of U.S. politics, but Donald Trump’s refusal has shown that Israel’s grip on American policymaking is weakening, writes Lawrence Davidson.

By Lawrence Davidson

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Was it this time last year, Netty Baby called home all the Israelis? Why do you suppose that was? I know what we are told in the media but do we believe it? I don't. I believe that Netty called home Israelis so that when he orchestrated or ordered terrorist attacks thru-out the world, that he would not kill any of the Israelis. And haven't we had a rash of terrorist attacks since Feb, 2015?!

http://www.foxnews.c...-attack-in.html

Israeli leader calls for 'massive' Jewish immigration after deadly attack in Copenhagen

Published February 15, 2015

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NETTY-DOODY HAS GONE MAD.

Edited March 25, 2016 by regeneratia