Was Scott Peterson innocent ?

[Regi]

1 hour ago, lsmith510 said:

Think about how many people you have to dismiss as being wrong to believe that Scott is guilty.

Karen Servas.

Russell Graybill

Diane Jackson

Lt. Aponte

The Tenbrinks

MULTIPLE Laci sighting witnesses

Mr. R.

I don't know what you're referring to re: Servas.

Re: Graybill, the facts that the dog w/leash attached was returned to the yard before Graybill went by and was behind the closed gate w/leash still attached is enough for me to know that Graybill would be mistaken if he believes that he saw the gate open.

Re: Aponte, I don't know how you think I've dismissed his info., but the Tenbrink bros., I don't find that info. credible, and as for a Mr. R., I don't recall ever hearing of anyone referred to that way.

 

 

[lsmith510]

15 minutes ago, regi said:

I don't know whether he took them out, nor what he intended to tell the police.

 

Sure, and some other day, who knows? The fact is, no one else reported having seen them.

So because no one else saw them that discredits Jackson?  Never mind that it's corroborated by the Aponte tip, Mr. R. and the Tenbrinks.  No one else witnessed the burglary - so does that mean the burglary didn't happen?  I realize that "Jerry Gallo" wants you to believe that Covena was a hustling bustling street on Dec. 24th.  But the truth is the majority of the people on that block were either on vacation or gone at that time.  The only people home between 11:00-12:00 (besides Laci returning from her walk) were the Krigbaum/Venables - who admitted that besides letting their dog out around 10:38 did not go outside until later that afternoon - and the woman who lived on the other side of the Medinas.  That's it.  Everyone else was gone.  So I'm not surprised that the Medina house was chosen to be robbed on the 24th - nor am I surprised that no one else reported seeing them because the street was quiet and quite empty.  The 25th and the 26th are an entirely different story however.

So your reasoning for dismissing Jackson is because no one else reported seeing the van.   Yet you also dismiss the Laci sightings - even though multiple witnesses corroborate each other - and all saw Laci walking on the same day - in the same direction - and at the same time of morning (within an hour of each other).  The MPD and the prosecution actually gave credibility to those witnesses - when they sought out every dog walking woman in the neighborhood - and found no one else that walked that route that day.   

[Regi]

6 minutes ago, lsmith510 said:

So because no one else saw them that discredits Jackson?

No, I know that she didn't see the men who we know actually did commit the burglary.

Edit: How does what Jackson stated corroborate any other statement?

Speaking of Jackson, do you know what all she had to say in the A&E program?

Edited March 19, 2018 by regi

[lsmith510]

4 minutes ago, regi said:

I don't know what you're referring to re: Servas.

Re: Graybill, the facts that the dog w/leash attached was returned to the yard before Graybill went by and was behind the closed gate w/leash still attached is enough for me to know that Graybill would be mistaken if he believes that he saw the gate open.

Re: Aponte, I don't know how you think I've dismissed his info., but the Tenbrink bros., I don't find that info. credible, and as for a Mr. R., I don't recall ever hearing of anyone referred to that way.

 

 

You are CHOOSING to believe Servas over Graybill.  Because you think Scott is guilty.  That is not a sound argument.  Graybill is very sure of what he saw - and he said so the first time he was asked/interviewed.  There is no other day that Graybill could have been confusing for the 24th.  Sunday?  No mail.  Monday?  Laci didn't walk the dog - she was at Trader Joe's.  Wednesday?  Covena was crawling with cops and other people.  He was questioned on Thursday.  The fact is...if both Servas and Graybill are credible/correct - then Scott is innocent - period.  You are choosing to not believe Graybill - just like you are choosing not to believe Jackson because it doesn't fit with your belief.  I don't have to discredit anyone for my theory.   My theory fits with all the facts without unreasonably dismissing anyone.  

Mr. R sent a letter to the prosecution saying the same thing that the Aponte tip said.  It was Mr. R. giving the defense the Tenbrinks' name - that led to the defense searching the discovery again and finding the Aponte tip.  So Mr. R. corroborates the Aponte tip.  Again - you have NO reason to discredit a conversation overheard between two brothers.  This was not some jailhouse informant thing.....they were talking to each other - and when questioned - Shawn lied and said he didn't know Todd.  

[Regi]

1 minute ago, lsmith510 said:

You are CHOOSING to believe Servas over Graybill.

I'm happy to tell you what I think, but I'm not here to argue about it.

[lsmith510]

5 minutes ago, regi said:

No, I know that she didn't see the men who we know actually did commit the burglary.

Edit: How does what Jackson stated corroborate any other statement?

Speaking of Jackson, do you know what all she had to say in the A&E program?

Don't we also know that the burglary could not have possibly gone down like Steve Todd said it did?  Or do you believe that he chose the Medina home during the day on the 25th.  That later that night he remembered that home looking empty because there was one car in the driveway and mail in the mailbox (which there was NOT on the 25th) - and decided he should go back to that street that had been crawling with cops and people and rob that home.  And that he transported rolling tool chests and lawn equipment on his bicycle?  Do you believe that?

I would have to back and watch the Diane Jackson segment again to be able to tell you what all she said.  She did NOT mention the safe.  As far as I remember she said she saw 3 males and a van and they glared at her and made her feel very uncomfortable.   

Jackson seeing men and a van in front of the Medina home fits perfectly with Laci leaving for her walk just after Servas found McKenzie and put him back in the hard - and Laci returning, putting McK back in the yard...and maybe going inside for a bit then heading out to the mailbox to retrieve the large package that Graybill had left - or putting McK back in the yard and immediately going to retrieve the large package Graybill had left.....and then having some kind of confrontation/altercation with the burglars.

[lsmith510]

10 minutes ago, regi said:

I'm happy to tell you what I think, but I'm not here to argue about it.

It's not an argument - it's a discussion.  Tell me why you don't find Graybill credible.  Why can't they (Servas and Graybill) both be right?  Nothing about what Servas says discredits Graybill.  Servas did not see the large package that Graybill delivered that day until she was returning from her errands.  A package so big she mentioned it then and again when she was leaving later that day.  A package so large that Krigbaum and Venable commented about it.  Yet Servas walked right up to the mailbox when she tried the front gate and didn't see the package.  So she was there before the mailman.  Like I posted earlier - there is nothing that suggests that Graybill was remembering the wrong day - in fact it's highly unlikely. 

[Regi]

2 minutes ago, lsmith510 said:

Don't we also know that the burglary could not have possibly gone down like Steve Todd said it did?  Or do you believe that he chose the Medina home during the day on the 25th.

It sounds to me like Todd rode by on the 24th.

3 minutes ago, lsmith510 said:

I would have to back and watch the Diane Jackson segment again to be able to tell you what all she said.  She did NOT mention the safe.  As far as I remember she said she saw 3 males and a van and they glared at her and made her feel very uncomfortable.   
 

Thanks for responding to that question.

Well, I regret that she felt very uncomfortable, but how she felt doesn't matter.

[Regi]

13 minutes ago, lsmith510 said:

Tell me why you don't find Graybill credible. 

I said he was mistaken and I told you why, that the dog was still behind the gate and was still dragging his leash around.

[Sly Humour]

8 hours ago, Jerry Gallo said:

You'll never progress from emptying the Partners trash bins to fetching them tea if the best you can muster is something that has already been debunked. The burglary on the 24th was quite a ruse for some time, but in Janey and Matt's failed attempt to sell Scott's innocence on A&E, Diane Jackson destroyed that hoax with one simple admission. But hey, your imagination is endearing, much like watching a toddler tasting lemon for the first time. Please continue portraying petty thieves on bikes as criminal masterminds with the resources, intellect and clairvoyance to know Scott was fishing off Brooks Island. If-then...strong, reasonable alternative!    

 

We have an outside firm that handles the office chores for us and their people do excellent work. Meanwhile, I don’t drink tea and the coffee that Janine brings me in the morning is a wonderful blend that is cultivated in Panama on the slopes of Volcán Barú. A bit pricey for some but certainly affordable when your last name is the middle one of three on the directory board in the lobby and has been so for more than a quarter of a century.

You and certain others may have concluded that the Diane Jackson sighting repudiates the time line associated with the Medina Burglary but the fact is that what she observed that morning actually reinforces the narrative once you start examining all the available information, observations, and testimony, associated with the Peterson case and then begin constructing a timeline while purposefully thinking outside the box.

Now, I’ll stipulate that Diane Jackson saw three short, dark skinned (but not African American) men standing near a tan or brown-colored van parked in front of 516 Covena Ave at 11:40 on December 24, 2002 if you’re willing to stipulate that Bob Nickerson, Kristen Dempewolf, and Kristen Reed all observed a white panel van parked in front of that same address sometime between 09:20 and 09:45 on that same morning.     

Meanwhile, the list of items that were stolen from the Medina home during the burglary is a rather long and distinguished one and once you recognize the implausibility of someone transporting that many items while pedaling a bicycle from Covena Ave to Tenaya Drive, you’ll be one step closer to realizing that there was a second van involved in that burglary and why it arrived there a short time after Todd and Pearce drove off with Laci Peterson in the back of the white one.

And no one in that circle of career felons needed to be resourceful, intellectual, or clairvoyant to ascertain exactly where Scott Peterson was fishing on the afternoon of December 24th, 2002. The Modesto Police Department was gracious enough to announce that information to the entire world the very next day. 

 

 

[Jerry Gallo]

6 hours ago, lsmith510 said:

Typical deflection.....okay - I'll go spend some time and look up the answers to my questions it would have taken you two seconds to answer. Well - maybe I will maybe I won't.  I'm pretty familiar with the A&E series - and Diane Jackson made no "admission" in the series that rules the burglars being involved in Laci's disappearance as a hoax.

In the meantime - I'll refresh your memory with YOUR quote - about how you said the thieves were on bicycles.  YOU said:

"Please continue portraying petty thieves on bikes as criminal masterminds..."

And I said that Covena was crawling with cops, volunteers, friends and family on December 25th when Todd said he decided the Medina home was empty and would be a good home to burglarize.  No burglar with half a brain would case that house on that day and decide it would be a good house to burglarize.  But that's what Todd said - he also said that he moved everything except the safe on his bicycle - by himself.  Do you believe all that - or do you pick and choose what you believe about the burglars' version of events?  Were they lying about everything except when the burglary occurred?

No video of Covena during those early hours.  But Ted Rowlands had no reason to lie about being on Covena from 5:00 am on - and he says - no way - no how did they pick up that safe at that time on the 26th.  And again - that's what the burglars said - pulled up to the curb of that house around 7:00 am and moved the safe from the porch to the car - parked on the street. 

There were CLEARLY others involved in the burglary - we might actually know who those others were, or where she was held or when she died if her disappearance had been properly investigated.  Lazily blame the police investigation?  If Scott is innocent - who else is to blame?  Do you actually agree with the MPD's methods of not talking to Laci sighting witnesses, not interviewing Deanna Renfro - oh and how about the Aponte tip?  Are you of the opinion that they ignored it - or did they talk to Aponte and bury that information?  Cuz it's one or the other.

Please - you're not one of those people that can't understand why Scott would need to sell her car or want to get out of that house are you?  Do you have any idea what it was like to live on Covena in January of 2003 - or what it was like to be Scott Peterson?  Apparently you don't. 

Yep - Scott had a girlfriend - I'll give you that. 

LOL - Your first time posting here, you call me out, then expect me to accommodate you. Why are Peterson supporters so arrogant?

Diane Jackson admitted that she didn't report any burglary on the 24th. In fact, she didn't report anything on the 24th. She alerted LE outside her house on the 26th when she heard that the Medina's had been robbed. She heard this from a neighbor who heard it from Susan after she arrived home. It was then and only then that she mentioned burglary or safe, AFTER she heard about it.

I already have to play word games and argue semantics with one person here. Why are Peterson supporters so interested in playing such games? Does it improve his odds of a successful appeal? Or is it simply anger because y'all have been wrong at every turn thus far? My point was, a 36-year-old petty thief so successful in life that his primary transportation is a bicycle and his chief accomplice is a 44-year-old guy who lives with his mother, who lasted less than two weeks before being arrested yet again, are so savvy and resource-rich that they pulled off the ultimate frame? 

Show me a photo or video of the place crawling with all those people on the 25th then. It's easy to make a claim you can't back up using hyperbole, I call BS. If you are going to make claims about Todd, cite the testimony you are referring to. "Casing a house" - he said he was riding by and noticed a car missing and saw mail on the 25th. What are neighbors going to think...look, "that cyclist looked at the Medina house, let's get him!" Ridiculous. And are you saying that we believe every word of the burglars story or none. Which are you choosing? 

Sure Ted the Head on a Swivel had reason to lie...it's called self-promotion. Ted himself said his was the only van out there that early. Based on his early report that morning, the street was empty. So, a guy who traveled from Oakland to arrive at the crack of dawn to do a morning show spot is uber-focused on the neighbors house? Probably getting shuteye waiting for the sun to come up. Do you know where his vehicle was parked? Do you know why he wasn't called to testify, he actually spoke to the judge in the trial regarding media coverage. Why wait a decade later on an infomercial to fess up to the head on a swivel. I surely didn't see remorse in his comments, letting Scott rot when he had prevalent info. 

MPD and Geragos seemed to place the same importance on Renfro and Aponte. I am totally fine with MPD in their investigation, save for a few things I'd like for them to have asked or collected, but it's easy to do so in hindsight. Aponte said he made a recording and their system also recorded things, yet neither recording was available. Strong evidence there. Just a guy looking for his 15 minutes or was he paid to make up this BS? Neither Renfro or Aponte testified. The list grows. 

Yes, I am one of those people who can't understand why Scott would put the house up for sale. I've never murdered anyone, so no, I don't know what it was like for Scott. Do you? You a buddy? Family member? Pen pal? Nothing better than anonymous internet posters claiming insight no one else has. What I do know is he was so traumatized in January that he upgraded to the porn channel on the 25th. Ol' Spanky sure showed the ravenous public, didn't he?   

[Jerry Gallo]

5 hours ago, lsmith510 said:

Landscapers?  Who were these landscapers and whose house were they servicing?  Not the Medinas.  Not the Krigbaums.  Not the Petersons.  Not the empty house next to the Petersons.  Not Karen Servas.  Don't landscapers typically park in front of the house they are servicing - or at the very least next door?  Seems like this would have been a very easy thing to verify.  So whose house were these landscapers servicing?

 

You are right! We don't even know if these men exist. Could be that Diane Jackson lied about seeing them. Could have been local kids walking home from sports practice and put a newspaper on a porch for someone. Any number of possibilities. We just know they weren't Todd and Pearce and we know Jackson didn't report seeing them rob anyone on the 24th. 

[Jerry Gallo]

5 hours ago, lsmith510 said:

Some other place?  This was right around the corner from her house.  What other place?

Diane Jackson was returning from an appointment...and needed to make lunch for her husband.  I'd say the fact that she had an appointment would have given her a pretty good reference to verify the date and time.  You can't just write her off as being wrong because you don't like what she says.  The police based their burglary reward flier on Jackson's information.

Think about how many people you have to dismiss as being wrong to believe that Scott is guilty.

Karen Servas.

Russell Graybill

Diane Jackson

Lt. Aponte

The Tenbrinks

MULTIPLE Laci sighting witnesses

Mr. R.

Really? You disregard a MOUNTAIN of lies and bizarre behaviors and yet expect others to believe a bunch of people, of which only two testified? 

[Jerry Gallo]

1 hour ago, Sly Humour said:

 

We have an outside firm that handles the office chores for us and their people do excellent work. Meanwhile, I don’t drink tea and the coffee that Janine brings me in the morning is a wonderful blend that is cultivated in Panama on the slopes of Volcán Barú. A bit pricey for some but certainly affordable when your last name is the middle one of three on the directory board in the lobby and has been so for more than a quarter of a century.

You and certain others may have concluded that the Diane Jackson sighting repudiates the time line associated with the Medina Burglary but the fact is that what she observed that morning actually reinforces the narrative once you start examining all the available information, observations, and testimony, associated with the Peterson case and then begin constructing a timeline while purposefully thinking outside the box.

Now, I’ll stipulate that Diane Jackson saw three short, dark skinned (but not African American) men standing near a tan or brown-colored van parked in front of 516 Covena Ave at 11:40 on December 24, 2002 if you’re willing to stipulate that Bob Nickerson, Kristen Dempewolf, and Kristen Reed all observed a white panel van parked in front of that same address sometime between 09:20 and 09:45 on that same morning.     

Meanwhile, the list of items that were stolen from the Medina home during the burglary is a rather long and distinguished one and once you recognize the implausibility of someone transporting that many items while pedaling a bicycle from Covena Ave to Tenaya Drive, you’ll be one step closer to realizing that there was a second van involved in that burglary and why it arrived there a short time after Todd and Pearce drove off with Laci Peterson in the back of the white one.

And no one in that circle of career felons needed to be resourceful, intellectual, or clairvoyant to ascertain exactly where Scott Peterson was fishing on the afternoon of December 24th, 2002. The Modesto Police Department was gracious enough to announce that information to the entire world the very next day. 

 

 

Well, after this little Raymond Reddington parable, I absolutely believe every word you say. Why not something a bit more catchy like Sly Humour and the Family Stone though? Poor marketing if you ask me! 

Am I stipulating to them seeing Amie's work van or that of the city inspector? 

Yes, I realize that if Todd moved items on his bike, he had to do so in one trip only. I remember when we used to play baseball as a kid, hauling all the gear on my bike. My rule was, if I can't make it the three blocks to the field in one trip, I'll need a (second imaginary) van. 

Yes, San Francisco Bay and Berkeley Marina, LE practically pinpointed the No Landing sign on Brooks Isle for the burglars to sail their imaginary skiff to. One question though...if they did this to frame Scott, why tie the twine around Conner's neck to prove to some it wasn't Scott? Guess that one's between you and Booth. 

[Regi]

12 hours ago, Jerry Gallo said:

 But hey, your imagination is endearing, much like watching a toddler tasting lemon for the first time.

I have to tell you, that ^ cracked me up big-time!

[Jerry Gallo]

9 hours ago, regi said:

I didn't watch the A&E program, so what did Jackson say?

Now, I can imagine, because I know what supporters have thought she said- that she saw a safe out in the yard- and so what I've assumed is that she must have said she didn't. Is that it?

Post 1002 should clarify. 

[Regi]

1 hour ago, Jerry Gallo said:

 One question though...if they did this to frame Scott, why tie the twine around Conner's neck to prove to some it wasn't Scott? Guess that one's between you and Booth. 

Hello?!

[Regi]

2 hours ago, Jerry Gallo said:

Post 1002 should clarify. 

It does, thank you.

 

[Sly Humour]

1 hour ago, Jerry Gallo said:

Well, after this little Raymond Reddington parable, I absolutely believe every word you say. Why not something a bit more catchy like Sly Humour and the Family Stone though? Poor marketing if you ask me! 

Am I stipulating to them seeing Amie's work van or that of the city inspector? 

Yes, I realize that if Todd moved items on his bike, he had to do so in one trip only. I remember when we used to play baseball as a kid, hauling all the gear on my bike. My rule was, if I can't make it the three blocks to the field in one trip, I'll need a (second imaginary) van. 

Yes, San Francisco Bay and Berkeley Marina, LE practically pinpointed the No Landing sign on Brooks Isle for the burglars to sail their imaginary skiff to. One question though...if they did this to frame Scott, why tie the twine around Conner's neck to prove to some it wasn't Scott? Guess that one's between you and Booth. 

Speaking of poor marketing, if you're going to tap a middle man to sell me your opinion of the nickname then I suggest you finger the right man for the job and not his younger brother next door. 

Krigbaum's work van was brand new, it had the name Sieman's written all the way around in large neon green letters, and according to her it was parked that morning in front of her property with the back end of it right equal with the garbage can near the end of her driveway. Meanwhile, Nickerson's vehicle was parked in the Medina's driveway next door and when he pulled out to leave he had to maneuver around an older white Ford van sporting a crude rack on top with wooden cross supports and paint peeling off around the windows... a very similar description to the one Dempewolf provided to police regarding the van that she observed parked in front of 516 Covena Ave that morning.

So unless Krigbaum's brand new Chevrolet Astrovan was over 40 feet long and already shedding the factory coat of paint, then the white Ford van that was partially blocking Nickerson as he pulled out of the driveway next door was most definitely not the lesbian's ride. Therefore, you would be stipulating that there was an older ford van with a wooden rack and peeling paint partially parked in front of the Medina's driveway and it was observed between 09:20 and 09:45  by both Nickerson and Dempewolf and possibly Kristen Reed whose less detailed description suggests it could have been either van that she observed.

Perhaps you and Orville Redenbacher should watch The Sandlot one more time before you try to convince me that a kid biking to the park with a baseball, a bat, and a helmet is an equitable comparison to Steven Todd making the mile long trip from Covena Ave to Tenaya Drive on a bicycle loaded with the 50 plus items that went missing from the Medina home. Unless of course he made a dozen or more trips to get the job done in which case he belongs in the Guinness Book of World Records for the number of times he returned to the scene of a crime. 

All they had to hear was that he launched his boat from Berkeley Marina and motored to Brooks Island to determine that the most obvious place to dump her body would be somewhere right in the middle between those two points.
And the Albany bulb is where?

Meanwhile, let's suppose that you're right and a cast of crabs tied the twine around the baby's neck rather than human hands. Does this somehow irreparably alter the plausibility of persons other that Scott Peterson depositing her body in the bay?
Not at all. The narrative is solid no matter how the twine found it's way there.

 

 

[Jerry Gallo]

6 hours ago, Sly Humour said:

Speaking of poor marketing, if you're going to tap a middle man to sell me your opinion of the nickname then I suggest you finger the right man for the job and not his younger brother next door. 

Krigbaum's work van was brand new, it had the name Sieman's written all the way around in large neon green letters, and according to her it was parked that morning in front of her property with the back end of it right equal with the garbage can near the end of her driveway. Meanwhile, Nickerson's vehicle was parked in the Medina's driveway next door and when he pulled out to leave he had to maneuver around an older white Ford van sporting a crude rack on top with wooden cross supports and paint peeling off around the windows... a very similar description to the one Dempewolf provided to police regarding the van that she observed parked in front of 516 Covena Ave that morning.

So unless Krigbaum's brand new Chevrolet Astrovan was over 40 feet long and already shedding the factory coat of paint, then the white Ford van that was partially blocking Nickerson as he pulled out of the driveway next door was most definitely not the lesbian's ride. Therefore, you would be stipulating that there was an older ford van with a wooden rack and peeling paint partially parked in front of the Medina's driveway and it was observed between 09:20 and 09:45  by both Nickerson and Dempewolf and possibly Kristen Reed whose less detailed description suggests it could have been either van that she observed.

Perhaps you and Orville Redenbacher should watch The Sandlot one more time before you try to convince me that a kid biking to the park with a baseball, a bat, and a helmet is an equitable comparison to Steven Todd making the mile long trip from Covena Ave to Tenaya Drive on a bicycle loaded with the 50 plus items that went missing from the Medina home. Unless of course he made a dozen or more trips to get the job done in which case he belongs in the Guinness Book of World Records for the number of times he returned to the scene of a crime. 

All they had to hear was that he launched his boat from Berkeley Marina and motored to Brooks Island to determine that the most obvious place to dump her body would be somewhere right in the middle between those two points.
And the Albany bulb is where?

Meanwhile, let's suppose that you're right and a cast of crabs tied the twine around the baby's neck rather than human hands. Does this somehow irreparably alter the plausibility of persons other that Scott Peterson depositing her body in the bay?
Not at all. The narrative is solid no matter how the twine found it's way there.

 

 

So, you want to stipulate to a lie about the van being tan and then you want me to stipulate to information you imagine about Nickerson, Dempewolf and Reed? If you can back up your claims with tangible information, I'll consider. 

Wow, 50 items! And a whole mile! All one has to do is look at the insurance claim the Medina's filed to see that the majority of the items were small enough to fit in a backpack. Cross off the items that were likely insurance fraud and you could easily get the majority of that gear in a couple trips. Drill bits and pliers, probably should have called Fry-Wagner!

Yes, all you need to do is present information showing the Brooks Island detail when Scott's story was made public to Todd and Co.

Certainly the Partners don't allow your child-like dodges of critical questions like this. Burglars put themselves at great risk to stash Laci for at least a day until the news cycle does it's diligence and provides Scott's nautical alibi, they then drive 90 miles with Laci and Conner to frame Scott and take the heat off themselves. Conner is apparently born in that 24 hours or on the way to the bay. So the killers, in their infinite wisdom surpassed only by yours, decide, "oh boy, gotta go into my pocket and grab the grocery bag material and wrap one and a half loops and a bow around the baby's neck" - even as that would do the exact opposite of framing Scott according to the king of the thread. Makes perfect sense.

[Jerry Gallo]

On 3/14/2018 at 10:58 AM, regi said:

Right, well anyone who'd ignore behavior and/or show to bend over backward to excuse such clearly isn't coming from an investigative standpoint. (They may claim they are, but very obviously, they aren't.)

You're absolutely right, he never did explain why he wrapped those umbrellas. It's very interesting how he avoided explaining that he'd wrapped them, and that he didn't mention a tarp until prompted...

You know, those interviews were over a month later and he showed to be as evasive and vague as he was on Day 1.

Nor can anyone reasonably explain why he unwrapped them, placed them with the stands that weren't relevant enough to pair with the umbrellas for the trip to the warehouse for storage, and neatly folded the tarp within 48 hours of Laci going missing. Guess winter only lasts for two days in Cali? Or was this only necessary when Laci is alive and present, the need to store was as gone as she was? Or, did Scott realize for the first time ever that he had a covered patio and two sheds? 

We are to expect X and only X from everyone but Scott, yet he's innocent from A to Z. Convenient, don't you think? 

[Sly Humour]

5 hours ago, Jerry Gallo said:

Cross off the items that were likely insurance fraud and you could easily get the majority of that gear in a couple trips.

It was only a matter of time before your plummeting credibility finally impacted the earth.
In fact, the collision was so loud it woke all the seniors at the Rockingham County Nursing Home.

And what a spectacular example of irony that the guy with the rubber stamp goes out in the end with a bang. 

[Jerry Gallo]

7 minutes ago, Sly Humour said:

It was only a matter of time before your plummeting credibility finally impacted the earth.
In fact, the collision was so loud it woke all the seniors at the Rockingham County Nursing Home.

And what a spectacular example of irony that the guy with the rubber stamp goes out in the end with a bang. 

LOL...too gutless to answer questions regarding your fairy tale, Brooks Island AND you stepped in dog mess regarding the twine/frame. Wake us when you are more than a parlor show.

[lsmith510]

22 hours ago, regi said:

I said he was mistaken and I told you why, that the dog was still behind the gate and was still dragging his leash around.

You mean when Scott got home?  All of your logic comes with a presumption of guilt.  Just because the dog was in the backyard with his leash attached when Scott got home does not mean that Graybill is mistaken.  Laci very well could have taken McKenzie for a walk (thus the MANY people who saw her) and then put McK back in the yard before walking across the street to tell the loitering people in the van across the street to move along.

[lsmith510]

20 hours ago, Jerry Gallo said:

LOL - Your first time posting here, you call me out, then expect me to accommodate you. Why are Peterson supporters so arrogant?

Diane Jackson admitted that she didn't report any burglary on the 24th. In fact, she didn't report anything on the 24th. She alerted LE outside her house on the 26th when she heard that the Medina's had been robbed. She heard this from a neighbor who heard it from Susan after she arrived home. It was then and only then that she mentioned burglary or safe, AFTER she heard about it.

I already have to play word games and argue semantics with one person here. Why are Peterson supporters so interested in playing such games? Does it improve his odds of a successful appeal? Or is it simply anger because y'all have been wrong at every turn thus far? My point was, a 36-year-old petty thief so successful in life that his primary transportation is a bicycle and his chief accomplice is a 44-year-old guy who lives with his mother, who lasted less than two weeks before being arrested yet again, are so savvy and resource-rich that they pulled off the ultimate frame? 

Show me a photo or video of the place crawling with all those people on the 25th then. It's easy to make a claim you can't back up using hyperbole, I call BS. If you are going to make claims about Todd, cite the testimony you are referring to. "Casing a house" - he said he was riding by and noticed a car missing and saw mail on the 25th. What are neighbors going to think...look, "that cyclist looked at the Medina house, let's get him!" Ridiculous. And are you saying that we believe every word of the burglars story or none. Which are you choosing? 

Sure Ted the Head on a Swivel had reason to lie...it's called self-promotion. Ted himself said his was the only van out there that early. Based on his early report that morning, the street was empty. So, a guy who traveled from Oakland to arrive at the crack of dawn to do a morning show spot is uber-focused on the neighbors house? Probably getting shuteye waiting for the sun to come up. Do you know where his vehicle was parked? Do you know why he wasn't called to testify, he actually spoke to the judge in the trial regarding media coverage. Why wait a decade later on an infomercial to fess up to the head on a swivel. I surely didn't see remorse in his comments, letting Scott rot when he had prevalent info. 

MPD and Geragos seemed to place the same importance on Renfro and Aponte. I am totally fine with MPD in their investigation, save for a few things I'd like for them to have asked or collected, but it's easy to do so in hindsight. Aponte said he made a recording and their system also recorded things, yet neither recording was available. Strong evidence there. Just a guy looking for his 15 minutes or was he paid to make up this BS? Neither Renfro or Aponte testified. The list grows. 

Yes, I am one of those people who can't understand why Scott would put the house up for sale. I've never murdered anyone, so no, I don't know what it was like for Scott. Do you? You a buddy? Family member? Pen pal? Nothing better than anonymous internet posters claiming insight no one else has. What I do know is he was so traumatized in January that he upgraded to the porn channel on the 25th. Ol' Spanky sure showed the ravenous public, didn't he?   

So asking a question is “calling you out”?   I ask a question about something you posted 22 PAGES ago, you tell me to go find it and I’M the arrogant one? 

Diane Jackson didn’t report a “burglary” on the 24^th because she didn’t realize at the time that she was witnessing a burglary.   You really can’t understand that?   You’ve never put 2 and 2 together at a later time?  I guess just because she didn’t pass by while they were actually hauling things out of the house that means she didn’t witness a burglary in progress – right?

“Petty thief”.  That’s an interesting way of describing Steve Todd.  Try meth addicted, violent, gang affiliated criminal.  That’s more accurate. 

I’m not playing games.  You’re the one playing games.  Are you kidding me?  If you can’t even agree that Covena was crawling with cops, volunteers, family and friends searching the neighborhood and the park for Laci on the 25^th – you are in absolute denial.  Are you really that ignorant to the facts of the case – or are you just trying to get me to spend my time quoting trial testimony of what was going on on the 25^th?

Maybe you should read my post again.  Many of your comments indicate you didn’t understand what I was trying to say.  TODD said he saw the Medina home on the 25^th while riding his bike and determined it was empty.  He then said later that night he remembered that home and decided to go back and rob it.  So obviously - base on what he saw on the 25th - he decided that would be a good house to rob.  And he was able to determine no one was home because there was only one care in the driveway.  I’m asking you if you believe that.   It’s a simply question.  But instead of answering it – you attack me with questions and demands for proof that there were people all over Covena on the 25^th. 

Ted Rowlands wasn’t called to the stand to debunk the burglars’ version of events because none of the burglary testimony was allowed in as “truth”.  The jury was admonished and basically told not to believe anything Todd actually said – it was only allowed in “with respect to information that this police officer received and the reasonableness of his conduct about what did he do about it.”  That’s all the jury was allowed to consider.  Not to mention Geragos failed to call a lot of witnesses he could have called.  I’m sure you’ve concluded it’s because they weren’t credible or couldn’t help Scott – when the truth is -  bad or good – it was simply a strategic judgement call on Geragos’ part. 

So let me get this straight.  You’ve called Ted Rowlands liar…..Aponte a liar……Diane Jackson a liar….the Medinas liars.  Wow – to hear you tell it – the only people telling the truth were the meth addicted burglars.  Unreal.   You really need a reality check.  I’m not saying that to be ugly.  But in case you haven’t noticed – saying anything in defense of Scott Peterson is not a popular thing.  It doesn’t make you famous.  It for the most part gets you ridiculed and laughed at.  People in Modesto were actually afraid to speak in defense of Scott Peterson. 

You certainly are a hypocrite.  You want to discredit me because I’m some “anonymous” internet poster?  As a matter of fact – I’ve always posted with the same username – all these 15 years – and it happens to be my real name.  And Jerry Gallo is your real name – right?  RIIIGHT.   When you explain to me your connection to the case – I’ll explain mine.   I’ve never murdered anyone either – but yes – I can understand Scott wanting to sell the house.  If the whole world hated me and DJ’s were standing outside my home along with dozens of other members of the press blocking my driveway and the street – harassing my neighbors - screaming at me that I murdered my wife with a bullhorn – I might not want to live there anymore either.

Oh come on – the porn?  Really?  Upgraded to the porn channel.   Here’s some perspective for you.  There’s NO secret Scott like porn.  As MANY men (and women) do.  It was all over his computers.  And the police had confiscated his computers.  So he didn’t order cable porn because he knew Laci wasn’t coming home….he ordered cable porn because the police took his porn "vehicles" and it was the only way for him to watch porn.  Every guy I know with a healthy sex drive doesn’t have an issue with Scott doing the deed 3-4 weeks after his wife went missing.

If you want to know what Covena was like on the 25th - it's in the testimony.    I know there is testimony that all the cops searching the park had parked on Covena.  One of Laci's friends testified the house was being used as a makeshift volunteer center.  Cops were going door to door asking questions.  Brent talks about "volunteers" at the house on the 25th.  The media was there.  The Kemples were there.   Laci's family and friends.  Here's just a small sample from Brent Rocha's testimony.  Let me know if you need more:

 ROCHA: Well, he actually doesn't. We get separated at some point and me and Ron end up heading down into the park. And I believe he's, Scott's with my mom, so he kind of, I think he helps my mom over to the neighbor's house and so he actually didn't walk down into the park with me.

HARRIS: All right. Did you go down in the park?

ROCHA: Yes.

HARRIS: At some point in time when you're walking down into the park does Ron come to get your keys so that Scott can get his truck to go to the shop?

ROCHA: Scott, yes.

HARRIS: And about what was that?

ROCHA: I would say it had to be right around 8:00 because I know I started heading down into the park and all the patrol officers were starting to line up and start talking, figure out what they were going to do, and they were all showing up right around 8:00 o'clock.

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HARRIS: When you were done putting up these posters with the duct tape with the defendant, did you have some kind of appointment or time that you and the defendant had to be back at the house that morning, the 25th?

ROCHA: Well, it wasn't really an appointment, but I knew the media was coming out and they were going to be out for the 12:00 o'clock shoot, so we were trying to -- well, it wasn't that we were trying to get back in time, we just happened to be hanging fliers and we ran out of fliers so we headed back to the house.
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HARRIS: All right. So when you arrive back at the house at 11:30 time period, you're with the defendant?

ROCHA: Yes.

HARRIS: Do you see any media presence at that point in time?

ROCHA: Yes.
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HARRIS: What did he do after he made this statement about not wanting to talk to the media?

ROCHA: He stayed in the house. I went out in front and -, with Laci, two of Laci's friends because my mom couldn't do it, she didn't want to talk. And we brought the dog, dog out of the backyard so everyone could see what the dog looked like and try to get the word out that Laci was missing.