Will London become the North Pole?

[seeder]

Why the North Pole is now slowly moving towards London

London is calling. The planet’s North Pole mysteriously changed the direction of its travel in 2000, turning eastwards towards the Greenwich meridian. It now seems that this change in direction is down to the redistribution of water on land as well as to melting polar ice.

The Earth’s rotational axis, and with it the location of the physical North Pole, was travelling at a rate of about 10 centimetres a year over the last century towards Canada’s Hudson Bay along a line of longitude that runs through Toronto and Panama City.

This movement was down to the redistribution of Earth’s mass as the crust has slowly rebounded after the end of the last ice age.

But since 2000 it has made a dramatic 75-degree eastward shift heading along the Greenwich meridian. Some evidence suggested that the shrinking of ice sheets in Greenland and Antarctica caused by climate change was behind the surprise shift.

Now, a study says this change is also influenced by the changing distribution of water on land.

https://www.newscientist.com/article/2083481-why-the-north-pole-is-now-slowly-moving-towards-london/

[Thanato]

The magnetic north pole, not true north

[Likely Guy]

Change the declination on my compass again?

[EllJay]

I think they should be more worried about the collapse of the whole Gulf Stream-system, due to climate change.

Scotland is about the same latitude as Alaska, let alone Scandinavia who are on the same latitude as Greenland and the upper part of Alaska and Siberia. If the Gulf Stream would give in, Northern Europe would be like an icicle - all year round. And probably London as well.

[Black Monk]

Will London become the North Pole?

No.

I think they should be more worried about the collapse of the whole Gulf Stream-system, due to climate change.

Scotland is about the same latitude as Alaska, let alone Scandinavia who are on the same latitude as Greenland and the upper part of Alaska and Siberia. If the Gulf Stream would give in, Northern Europe would be like an icicle - all year round. And probably London as well.

We shouldn't be worried about global warming causing anything. It's not even happening. There is no global warming.

Edited April 10, 2016 by Black Monk

[Guest Br Cornelius]

We shouldn't be worried about global warming causing anything. It's not even happening. There is no global warming.

Your in a sad little ghetto on this one at this stage. If you disagree please prove us (ie us as in over 80% of humanity) wrong.

Br Cornelius

[Sir Wearer of Hats]

No.

We shouldn't be worried about global warming causing anything. It's not even happening. There is no global warming.

OHH GOOD. Does that mean it's not as hot as summer than in the middle of Autumn here in Oz?

[Thanato]

No.

We shouldn't be worried about global warming causing anything. It's not even happening. There is no global warming.

So those thousands of scientists and thousands of scientific papers are wrong?

[Likely Guy]

Your in a sad little ghetto on this one at this stage. If you disagree please prove us (ie us as in over 80% of humanity) wrong.

Br Cornelius

It appeared in a well respected peer reviewed study by the Institute of Because I'm Always Right.

[docyabut2]

It happened before.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-1227990/Ice-Age-took-just-SIX-months-arrive--10-years.html

[preacherman76]

So those thousands of scientists and thousands of scientific papers are wrong?

There is actually just a small handful running that show. And yes they are wrong, intentionally. This is about having more power over people, an very little to do with weather.

[Guest Br Cornelius]

There is actually just a small handful running that show. And yes they are wrong, intentionally. This is about having more power over people, an very little to do with weather.

Letting your paranoid delusions slip out there.You have to ignore the inconvenient fact that all national scientific bodies in the world endorse the work of climate scientists. I know which bunch I will believe and it won't be the one who bases their reality on faith.

Br Cornelius

[Black Monk]

Your in a sad little ghetto on this one at this stage. If you disagree please prove us (ie us as in over 80% of humanity) wrong.

Br Cornelius

Why do I have to prove over 80% of humanity wrong? Nowhere near 80% of humanity believe in global warming and, of those who do, are either liars - part of the Great Global Warming Con - or are gullible, brainwashed folk like you.

Global Warming is the biggest load of tosh going. It's one big con which is just giving us expensive energy bills and landscapes littered with useless but expensive windmills which blow up when it gets windy.

Edited April 11, 2016 by Black Monk

[Black Monk]

So those thousands of scientists and thousands of scientific papers are wrong?

"Thousands" of scientists? You have no idea how many scientists believe in Global Warming. There probably isn't as much of a "consensus" on this issue as you Warmists think - and those scientists who do tell us that there is Global Warming are liars using flawed and fiddled data. They were found out by the University of East Anmglia leaks.

[Guest Br Cornelius]

Why do I have to prove over 80% of humanity wrong? Nowhere near 80% of humanity believe in global warming and, of those who do, are either liars - part of the Great Global Warming Con - or are gullible, brainwashed folk like you.

Global Warming is the biggest load of tosh going. It's one big con which is just giving us expensive energy bills and landscapes littered with useless but expensive windmills which blow up when it gets windy.

There you go with your fact/information free verbage again.

Show us the simple reason why the physics of Global warming is faulty. If you are so certain we are all wrong please enlighten us as to exactly how we are wrong.

I can guarantee that anything you present can be refuted with a peer reviewed piece of actual science - so go on give it your best shot - or stop letting off more hot air - your only making matters worse.

Br Cornelius

[Astra.]

There is actually just a small handful running that show. And yes they are wrong, intentionally. This is about having more power over people, an very little to do with weather.

Preacher - would you care to elaborate on that a little bit more please...as I'm interested to know what is 'having more power over the people' got to do with the weather.. what would be the reason for that ?...

or.. maybe I'm just having another 'blonde' kinda day

[Guest Br Cornelius]

"Thousands" of scientists? You have no idea how many scientists believe in Global Warming. There probably isn't as much of a "consensus" on this issue as you Warmists think - and those scientists who do tell us that there is Global Warming are liars using flawed and fiddled data. They were found out by the University of East Anmglia leaks.

you mean the leaks that showed no actual fiddling after been investigated extensively. Come on refute the science, not just repeat discredited lies.

Unless you can make a credible case your just expressing a fringe opinion - which isn't worth anything to anyone.

Here is a list of 197 national scientific bodies who endorse the science of climate change:

https://www.opr.ca.g...ganizations.php

Am I honestly supposed to take your word over their expert opinion ?? Would I be the fool if I did ?

Here's the thing - if you hold a fringe opinion the burden of proof always falls on you to convince others of your case.

Br Cornelius

Edited April 11, 2016 by Br Cornelius

[Black Monk]

you mean the leaks that showed no actual fiddling after been investigated extensively.

Yep. Those ones. And I still believe there was fiddling of data even after they were "extensively investigated" by mainly Warmist organisations.

Come on refute the science, not just repeat discredited lies.

I think the "science" of Global Warming has been refuted many times.

Here is a list of 197 national scientific bodies who endorse the science of climate change:

https://www.opr.ca.g...ganizations.php

You can give me all the lists you like, but it doesn't take away from the fact that they are all either part of the Great Global Warming Con or, like you, are extremely gullible and believe the lies.

Am I honestly supposed to take your word over their expert opinion ??

"Expert" opinion? They're nothing but liars and charlatans using fiddled and inaccurate data.

Here's the thing - if you hold a fringe opinion the burden of proof always falls on you to convince others of your case.

Br Cornelius

I don't need to convince others of my case. The non-belief of Global Warming is a common, mainstream belief shared by countless millions of ordinary folk who have not been taken in by the Warmists' lies.

Why don't you start admitting that the case for Global Warming is now starting to fall apart? More and more people every day of the year are starting to see it for the Great Con that it is, which is doing nothing but increasing our energy bills and blighting the Great British landscape with expensive but inefficient windmills which blow up when it gets windy. We need less windmills and more coal-fired power stations.

Edited April 11, 2016 by Black Monk

[Peter B]

We shouldn't be worried about global warming causing anything. It's not even happening. There is no global warming.

Could you please confirm which sort of global warming skeptic you are:

1. The Earth is not getting warmer at all.

2. The Earth is getting warmer, but it's purely natural processes.

3. The Earth is getting warmer, and the human contribution is negligible compared to natural processes.

4. The Earth is getting warmer, and humans are mostly responsible, but we shouldn't do anything about it.

Could you please explain why you reject the other three positions.

Thank you.

Edited April 11, 2016 by Peter B

[Peter B]

There is actually just a small handful running that show. And yes they are wrong, intentionally. This is about having more power over people, an very little to do with weather.

Could you please confirm which sort of global warming skeptic you are:

1. The Earth is not getting warmer at all.

2. The Earth is getting warmer, but it's purely natural processes.

3. The Earth is getting warmer, and the human contribution is negligible compared to natural processes.

4. The Earth is getting warmer, and humans are mostly responsible, but we shouldn't do anything about it.

Could you please explain why you reject the other three positions.

Thank you.

[Guest Br Cornelius]

Yep. Those ones. And I still believe there was fiddling of data even after they were "extensively investigated" by mainly Warmist organisations.

I think the "science" of Global Warming has been refuted many times.

You can give me all the lists you like, but it doesn't take away from the fact that they are all either part of the Great Global Warming Con or, like you, are extremely gullible and believe the lies.

"Expert" opinion? They're nothing but liars and charlatans using fiddled and inaccurate data.

I don't need to convince others of my case. The non-belief of Global Warming is a common, mainstream belief shared by countless millions of ordinary folk who have not been taken in by the Warmists' lies.

Why don't you start admitting that the case for Global Warming is now starting to fall apart? More and more people every day of the year are starting to see it for the Great Con that it is, which is doing nothing but increasing our energy bills and blighting the Great British landscape with expensive but inefficient windmills which blow up when it gets windy. We need less windmills and more coal-fired power stations.

You've just confirmed yourself for what I always suspected a real hard core paranoid nutjob. a conspiracy of all scientific bodies to lie to you can only be described as the workings of a very broken mind. And since you have not act6ually supported your position with any evidence I think i will have to leave you in your sad little universe to think your paranoid dreams.

They really are coming to get you.

Br Cornelius

[Grey Area]

Why don't you start admitting that the case for Global Warming is now starting to fall apart? More and more people every day of the year are starting to see it for the Great Con that it is, which is doing nothing but increasing our energy bills and blighting the Great British landscape with expensive but inefficient windmills which blow up when it gets windy. We need less windmills and more coal-fired power stations.

I think regardless of whether you believe global warming is an issue or not, air pollution is very real and I thing millions of people who live in and around Beijing would testify to that fact.

Humans have been changing the climate for thousands of years, starting with the advent of agriculture. That we are now changing the nature of our world exponentially is beyond doubt, and the burning of fossil fuels on today's scale cannot possibly be seen not to have an effect.

Opening more coal plants is not the answer.

[Nnicolette]

Hate to break it to you but noticing a very obvious and well docemented lie isnt a result of a broken mind, regardless of how much you think calling names proves ypur point or superiority.

[seeder]

"Thousands" of scientists? You have no idea how many scientists believe in Global Warming. There probably isn't as much of a "consensus" on this issue as you Warmists think - and those scientists who do tell us that there is Global Warming are liars using flawed and fiddled data. They were found out by the University of East Anmglia leaks.

Forget the scientists for a minute.....When I was a child living in Cambridgeshire... having a white xmas was a pretty much yearly thing, and the daffodils would grow at the correct time, ie Easter...

Now we hardly ever have a white xmas.. and daffodils have sprouted early for many years now..... so erm, what changed that? Why would easter plants sprout early? Well in the case of the daffodils, let me explain with a snippet

Guy Barter, the chief horticultural adviser at the Royal Horticultural Society, told the Telegraph that it was the earliest he can recall seeing daffodils in bloom. “I have always scoffed at the idea of flowers before Christmas but I will have to eat my words,” he said. “We are in unknown territory in many ways. What consequence it will have, we don’t know.”

He explained: “Daffodils have a mechanism to sense temperature and after a defined period of cold (generally about 2-10C) they are triggered to flower, and they will then flower according to ambient temperature.”

http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/dec/16/daffodils-england-northern-ireland-unseasonal-december-weather

[Guest Br Cornelius]

Hate to break it to you but noticing a very obvious and well docemented lie isnt a result of a broken mind, regardless of how much you think calling names proves ypur point or superiority.

Until you prove its a lie, its the truth.

To believe in something despite overwhelming evidence is either genius (no evidence for that) or delusional. Denial of reality is a classic symptom of mental illness - called psychosis.

Go on knock yourself out and prove that its all a lie - afterall that all I ever ask of people who make outlandish claims.

And its not productive to entertain a debate on the matter in the abscence of any willingness to debate on those people making the claims. Statements are not going to prove anything - for that a reference to evidence is necessary.

Br Cornelius

Edited April 11, 2016 by Br Cornelius