Vincennes Posted May 7, 2016 #151 Share Posted May 7, 2016 Digging around a little more I found this article: http://www.opposingviews.com/i/society/crime/one-8-ohio-shooting-victims-who-was-shot-head-he-slept-his-cousin-was-one-who-found Seems like Kenneth, I think he's the one farthest away, was found with money thrown about the bed. If money was what they were after, why throw it at him before he died ? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paranormal Panther Posted May 7, 2016 #152 Share Posted May 7, 2016 I did notice something that I had missed in the last link I posted when I went back to look at the photos. Way down in the article it mentions one of the men had been shot nine times and two of the others had been shot FIVE times. I've never seen that mentioned before. It's odd to me that DeWine keeps saying that the murders were executions. Odd because I think of shooting a person in the head as an execution, shooting them that many times sounds to me like torture first. That *is* odd. It sounds like the kind of overkill that comes from strong emotions when the predator(s) have strong connections to their pray. One would indeed think that a hired killer or hit man would commit a detached, "professional" murder unless they tried to muddy the waters. On the other hand, maybe they should look for professional killers who have a record of executing victims in this manner. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paranormal Panther Posted May 7, 2016 #153 Share Posted May 7, 2016 ETA: I meant to type "prey", not "pray"! It seems like yesterday's fiesta killed a few brain cells. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
docyabut2 Posted May 7, 2016 #154 Share Posted May 7, 2016 (edited) Digging around a little more I found this article: http://www.opposingv...s-one-who-found Seems like Kenneth, I think he's the one farthest away, was found with money thrown about the bed. If money was what they were after, why throw it at him before he died ? Dollar bills thrown around his legs? Sounds like some kind of sex act. You know how those male strippers get dollar bills stuff in their pants. Maybe this victim was messing around with someone wife or girl causing a rage, I sure they must be checking out every victim`s personal life and who could have been so angry to commit such a horrific crime.Like that one women said , she`s didn't think the killings were a drug cartel , but someone with what they call hillbilly justice. Edited May 7, 2016 by docyabut2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+susieice Posted May 8, 2016 Author #155 Share Posted May 8, 2016 (edited) A fifth location. Now that is interesting. And Kenneth seems to have had a pitbull that wasn't too friendly with people he didn't know. The money may have been the reason someone was upset with the family and that's why they dumped it on this poor man's body. Kind of like telling him to keep it. Some people are really sick and when they're out of control, really strange things can go through their minds. If he was fooling around with someone's wife, I would think there would be no reason to kill Dana and her kids. I just keep thinking this was about money, drug money, and that someone in the family with a lot of intimate knowledge they aren't saying is behind it. Just can't shake that off. A fifth location. God, I wish they'd say where that is!! It's weird too that police keep sealing everything so no one can get access to any information. It doesn't sound like anyone in the family knows anymore than we do. Edited May 8, 2016 by susieice 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
docyabut2 Posted May 8, 2016 #156 Share Posted May 8, 2016 (edited) A fifth location. Now that is interesting. And Kenneth seems to have had a pitbull that wasn't too friendly with people he didn't know. The money may have been the reason someone was upset with the family and that's why they dumped it on this poor man's body. Kind of like telling him to keep it. Some people are really sick and when they're out of control, really strange things can go through their minds. If he was fooling around with someone's wife, I would think there would be no reason to kill Dana and her kids. I just keep thinking this was about money, drug money, and that someone in the family with a lot of intimate knowledge they aren't saying is behind it. Just can't shake that off. A fifth location. God, I wish they'd say where that is!! It's weird too that police keep sealing everything so no one can get access to any information. It doesn't sound like anyone in the family knows anymore than we do. In the one video they said they were searching a lake on the property, this could be the fifth location. that they are refereeing to. Edited May 8, 2016 by docyabut2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
docyabut2 Posted May 8, 2016 #157 Share Posted May 8, 2016 (edited) A fifth location. Now that is interesting. And Kenneth seems to have had a pitbull that wasn't too friendly with people he didn't know. The money may have been the reason someone was upset with the family and that's why they dumped it on this poor man's body. Kind of like telling him to keep it. Some people are really sick and when they're out of control, really strange things can go through their minds. If he was fooling around with someone's wife, I would think there would be no reason to kill Dana and her kids. I just keep thinking this was about money, drug money, and that someone in the family with a lot of intimate knowledge they aren't saying is behind it. Just can't shake that off. A fifth location. God, I wish they'd say where that is!! It's weird too that police keep sealing everything so no one can get access to any information. It doesn't sound like anyone in the family knows anymore than we do. But susieice why so many dollar bills, why not five or tens Edited May 8, 2016 by docyabut2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+susieice Posted May 8, 2016 Author #158 Share Posted May 8, 2016 But susieice why so many dollar bills, why not five or tens Don't know docy. I'm just thinking out loud and speculating I guess. For what little we know, this case gets stranger as it goes on. A lake would be a good place to ditch the guns. Would you need a search warrant to drag a lake? Maybe to protect whatever evidence you may find? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vincennes Posted May 8, 2016 #159 Share Posted May 8, 2016 (edited) A fifth location. Now that is interesting. And Kenneth seems to have had a pitbull that wasn't too friendly with people he didn't know. The money may have been the reason someone was upset with the family and that's why they dumped it on this poor man's body. Kind of like telling him to keep it. Some people are really sick and when they're out of control, really strange things can go through their minds. If he was fooling around with someone's wife, I would think there would be no reason to kill Dana and her kids. I just keep thinking this was about money, drug money, and that someone in the family with a lot of intimate knowledge they aren't saying is behind it. Just can't shake that off. A fifth location. God, I wish they'd say where that is!! It's weird too that police keep sealing everything so no one can get access to any information. It doesn't sound like anyone in the family knows anymore than we do. Someone told him to keep it, is my first thought too. That also seems to me that it would be something family would do. A little bit like feelings were hurt over the division of cash ? I can't think outsiders would do that. I wasn't sure though that it was actually all one dollar bills. It read to me like the cousin might just used that expression just to mean paper dollars. But Docy's comment brings me another thought. Could someone have separated the ones out of a pile for some reason ? Edited May 8, 2016 by Vincennes 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vincennes Posted May 8, 2016 #160 Share Posted May 8, 2016 In the one video they said they were searching a lake on the property, this could be the fifth location. that they are refereeing to. Do you have to get search warrants to search outside ? Maybe you do because it's on someone's land that isn't cooperating. I just don't think I've ever come across mention of it before. One of the other things in the last article is that the cousin said they also seem to have taken a CCTV from Kenneth that was brand new. What the hey is a CCTV? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+susieice Posted May 8, 2016 Author #161 Share Posted May 8, 2016 Do you have to get search warrants to search outside ? Maybe you do because it's on someone's land that isn't cooperating. I just don't think I've ever come across mention of it before. One of the other things in the last article is that the cousin said they also seem to have taken a CCTV from Kenneth that was brand new. What the hey is a CCTV? It's a closed circuit TV Vincennes. I wonder if Kenneth had video surveillance on his property. All one dollar bills...maybe someone took all the bigger bills they found. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vincennes Posted May 8, 2016 #162 Share Posted May 8, 2016 It's a closed circuit TV Vincennes. I wonder if Kenneth had video surveillance on his property. All one dollar bills...maybe someone took all the bigger bills they found. Shows my technical expertise doesn't it ! LOL My first translation was "closed caption" which left me trying to think of who was deaf ! My first thought is that there is no way the cousin who found Kenneth and who knew that the equipment was missing did not know what the equipment was there for, what they were monitoring and where the other equipment for monitoring was !! If he noticed right up front that it was missing, he knew it was there. All the clues we have now are taking me to this was family or close, close friend who was also involved and felt cheated. (Current theory will probably change in the next ten minutes ! But for sure this Sheriff and DeWine are getting on my last nerve. DeWine needs to stay in Columbus consoling Kasich.) 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skulduggery Posted May 8, 2016 #163 Share Posted May 8, 2016 (edited) Maybe someone was peeved 'cause they received their change for a purchase of grass in all one-dollar bills. Edited May 8, 2016 by Skulduggery Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paranormal Panther Posted May 8, 2016 #164 Share Posted May 8, 2016 Do you have to get search warrants to search outside ? According to the Fourth Amendment, you do. They can search things like sidewalks, though, even though you have to take care of them. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
docyabut2 Posted May 8, 2016 #165 Share Posted May 8, 2016 (edited) Do you have to get search warrants to search outside ? Maybe you do because it's on someone's land that isn't cooperating. I just don't think I've ever come across mention of it before. One of the other things in the last article is that the cousin said they also seem to have taken a CCTV from Kenneth that was brand new. What the hey is a CCTV? CCTV? It could have been a surveillance camera system on a TV , some have voice and sound , some have not, we have the surveillance cameras with no sound, the sounds ones are more expensive, just a guess. http://www.cctvsecur..._content=+ CCTV Edited May 9, 2016 by docyabut2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+susieice Posted May 10, 2016 Author #166 Share Posted May 10, 2016 (edited) Not much of an update. This poor sheriff. He's really trying hard to figure this out. Yep, these killings were very personal. http://www.cincinnat...sonal/84012716/ Pics from the scenes may be released soon. http://www.wcpo.com/news/crime/scenes-in-pike-county-shootings-could-be-released-soon Edited May 10, 2016 by susieice 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regi Posted May 10, 2016 #167 Share Posted May 10, 2016 I haven't followed this case very closely (nor this thread, and so I don't know what has or hasn't been addressed) but I'd find it hard to believe that authorities wouldn't have at least some idea of who could have committed these murders. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
docyabut2 Posted May 11, 2016 #168 Share Posted May 11, 2016 Not much of an update. This poor sheriff. He's really trying hard to figure this out. Yep, these killings were very personal. http://www.cincinnat...sonal/84012716/ Pics from the scenes may be released soon. http://www.wcpo.com/...e-released-soon I agree personal and you`d think it was against the first victims that were killed, have they determined which household it was ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+susieice Posted May 11, 2016 Author #169 Share Posted May 11, 2016 (edited) I agree personal and you`d think it was against the first victims that were killed, have they determined which household it was ? I don't think any of that kind of info has been released yet. Police are sealing everything as soon as it's completed. This is all the coroner released a few days after the killings. He said they were holding back the findings. They don't want the people who did this to know how much they know. I would think they do have their suspicions. http://nbc4i.com/201...ence-collected/ Edited May 11, 2016 by susieice 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
docyabut2 Posted May 11, 2016 #170 Share Posted May 11, 2016 I don't think any of that kind of info has been released yet. Police are sealing everything as soon as it's completed. This is all the coroner released a few days after the killings. He said they were holding back the findings. They don't want the people who did this to know how much they know. I would think they do have their suspicions. http://nbc4i.com/201...ence-collected/ I guess it would be hard to determined who were the first victims, when they were all killed in a short time apart. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+susieice Posted May 11, 2016 Author #171 Share Posted May 11, 2016 I guess it would be hard to determined who were the first victims, when they were all killed in a short time apart. That's probably how this thing went down. It wouldn't take long to get from one location to the other. On a guess, I'd say maybe an hour to an hour and a half tops. That's allowing for any interaction between the killers and the victims. All this secrecy though. Police really don't want anything getting out until they're ready to move. This is a death penalty case for sure, and they want to get it right the first time. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pallidin Posted May 11, 2016 #172 Share Posted May 11, 2016 (edited) Right. The press (with somewhat scant available knowledge... No fault of their own) seems to paint this multi-location massacre as being "simultaneous" when, in fact, we the public don't know how this transpired. Could have been 1 or 2 assailants moving to each location, or a whole gang that strikes at one time. The law officials are not providing this type of info to the public for, I suppose, their own reasons. Edited May 11, 2016 by pallidin 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vincennes Posted May 11, 2016 #173 Share Posted May 11, 2016 This was the topic re. the murders on our news last night: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2016/05/11/relatives-murdered-ohio-family-believe-two-properties-had-security-cameras.html I'm sorry to say that the way our news caster phrased the requests for video made the Sheriff's Dept. sound desperate. Since we have already been told that the CCTV equipment is thought to be missing, I'm left wondering if they didn't also take the equipment or tapes from the other cameras or were they all part of the same system. The other interesting thing is the motion detector lights. To me that makes it seem as if whatever happened, happened fast and really ups the percentages that there was multiple people involved. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+susieice Posted May 11, 2016 Author #174 Share Posted May 11, 2016 I'm convinced there was more than one killer. To control 2 full grown men in the same house in order to beat them would almost require that. If they have surveillance video, they have a real good idea who did it. The more evidence they can gather, the tighter the noose on the person they eventually accuse. The media is probably more desperate since the police are refusing to release any info at all, so they don't have much to report. I'm not surprised by the security cameras on the properties. When growing large amounts of marijuana, it makes sense to keep the property guarded. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aftermath Posted May 11, 2016 #175 Share Posted May 11, 2016 This seems to be pretty easy to solve: Mexican Drug Cartel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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