St Georges day cancelled due to immigrants

[Space Commander Travis]

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I nearly got into an argument about a story in the DAILY DOSE OF HYSTERIA ABOUT FOREIGNERS. What got into me?

Edited April 28, 2016 by Otto von Pickelhaube

[alibongo]

Aren't people tired of PC? Let's just speak frankly. It has nothing to do with there being 91 different languages. Just one intolerant ideology.

I think there is some truth in this.

I'll bet in many European cities as well as in the UK there are residents whose mother tongue is Spanish, Italian,Urdu,Yiddish, Korean, Chinese, Japanese,etc,etc., and not one of those people care whether we celebrate Christmas or St George's Day or Bastille Day and want similar privileges to be given to their historical dates which are celebrated "back home".

[alibongo]

With regard to other points made in this thread, St George's Day has never been a big celebration, just an excuse for a BH, like St David's Day in Wales.

St Paddy's Day is quite different, it is a world-wide excuse for a p***-up and is big business for catering and drinking establishments.

Halloween is a bigger event in the UK, and that is an American import which we don't even understand.

[Paranormal Panther]

I would post something about English cowards, but Americans are just as gutless and spineless. The greatest generation, in both countries, saved the world. Their grandchildren are self-hating masochists with no pride in their heritage. My advice is to wave your English flags in the faces of the aggrieved minorities, as well as the PC "leaders".

[Paranormal Panther]

Its May Day next....

hopefully..

I know. Why should we celebrate the Illuminati?

[Paranormal Panther]

Does it matter where this saint comes from? Places like Germany and Georgia celebrate Saint George.

That's a good point. Saint Patrick wasn't even Irish.

[Black Monk]

Bristol City Council, however, had no problem in celebrating St Patrick's Day.

By the way, it doesn't surprise me that this has occurred in Bristol. It's a very PC city. In fact, the South of England as a whole seems very PC. I'm glad I'm a Northerner. We're not quite as PC and soft up here and tend to stand up to ourselves and our way of life a bit more.

[Black Monk]

No such problems in Nottingham UK and we have our share of foreign cultures...there was a massive parade through the city.Mind you the council didn't cough up a penny towards it.

The council would, however, suddenly be able to come up with the money for a queer rights march or the Mohammedans' march to celebrate the birthday of a bigamist paedophile.

[Black Monk]

With regard to other points made in this thread, St George's Day has never been a big celebration, just an excuse for a BH, like St David's Day in Wales.

St Paddy's Day is quite different, it is a world-wide excuse for a p***-up and is big business for catering and drinking establishments.

Halloween is a bigger event in the UK, and that is an American import which we don't even understand.

Halloween started out as the ancient British festival of Samhain.

[Black Monk]

He was an Italian rebel.Why should we have an Italian as our Saint,the only country to have a reverse gear installed in there tanks.

St George wasn't Italian (there was no Italy until the 19th century). He was born in Lydda in Syria Palaestina in 280.

St Patrick was British (ironically).

And St Andrew was born in Galilee.

St David WAS Welsh, though.

Edited April 30, 2016 by Black Monk

[Torchwood]

Load of fuss over nothing: We hardly ever "Celebrate" St Georges day, or "Being English" . Most of the English wouldn't have a clue where to start! every now and then a council will get it into its head, usually backed by one of the more racist xenophobic newspapers, to try and "resurrect" st Georges day as a holiday. But it hasn't been a holiday for Centuries! We have no St Georges day Traditions. Not a single one! My home town used to do a parade on the nearest sunday, but it was purely religious, and dull as dishwater, and as we live an increasingly secular nation, all these attempts fall flat on their **** because the English can't be be bothered turning up! They associate the church with boredom, so its already a bad start for a celebration.

So whats to celebrate? As a day it has no context, no relevance, no history and no purpose!

You should see the feeble efforts they go go to try and turn it into one: a bunch of marketing execs sit in a room and make a list of Englishy things the English should do to celebrate being English...and its pathetic , and worse; for the English it is utterly cringeworthy! The lists are always the same: Stuff like "appreciating the weather", and "celebrating being English" which doesn't even make sense but is perhaps slightly better than "appreciate enjoyment" . I swear I didn't make that bit of b******s up. But the one that always makes the list, and is the one that always gives away that this is simply an attempt to make money, whilst at the same time being the best idea on the list, is simply "get Drunk" .

Seriously? When did the English, the nation that invented Binge Drinking, ever need an excuse for that? And it doesn't work- Government and councils are constantly trying to get rid of Englands Binge Drinking Culture, they try and encourage a sort of European style cafe culture (which would work great if we had a Mediterranean climate!) where nobody drinks more than two glasses of wine, and nobody touches beer. They classify binge drinking as 4 pints of beer or more, which shows how out of touch they are with the average Englishman in the pub, who calls that lunchtime...so they then struggle when the only English thing they can suggest as way to celebrate being English is "Get Drunk".

But all they are really trying to do is reverse engineer St Patricks day. And it doesnt work. How can a damp day in April compete with a day in lent that is exempt from the rules for lent!? That my friends, was a stroke of marketing Genius, especially in a country that actually celebrates religion. Wouldn't work in England of course...

And heres the rub- The English don't really want a national day, nor do they need one. And at what price would it come if we did?

Look at the Irish, cringing every year, at the sight of half of America getting drunk in their honour- they've been reduced to a caricature of themselves!

We dont want a Committee to organise a parade for us! If I decide I need to get drunk and celebrate being English I have a flag (well, I did, I'm assuming its still in the loft) and I know where the best pubs are. Job done. I don't need a tv link up with English people in England and a photoshoot with a racist bigoted politician to know that I'm English.

Jeremy Paxman and other writers have tried to pin down exactly why the English don't seem to need a national day and summed it up as "Self Confidence" : When you've more or less conquered the world, laid down its borders, written its laws, and codified its sports, and generally bestrode the world like a colossus (despite being a relatively small nation) you don't really need to stand around waving a flag telling everyone else how great you are, you just sort of assume they know...

Edited April 30, 2016 by Torchwood

[Black Monk]

Load of fuss over nothing: We hardly ever "Celebrate" St Georges day, or "Being English" . Most of the English wouldn't have a clue where to start! every now and then a council will get it into its head, usually backed by one of the more racist xenophobic newspapers, to try and "resurrect" st Georges day as a holiday. But it hasn't been a holiday for Centuries! We have no St Georges day Traditions. Not a single one! My home town used to do a parade on the nearest sunday, but it was purely religious, and dull as dishwater, and as we live an increasingly secular nation, all these attempts fall flat on their **** because the English can't be be bothered turning up! They associate the church with boredom, so its already a bad start for a celebration.

So whats to celebrate? As a day it has no context, no relevance, no history and no purpose!

You should see the feeble efforts they go go to try and turn it into one: a bunch of marketing execs sit in a room and make a list of Englishy things the English should do to celebrate being English...and its pathetic , and worse; for the English it is utterly cringeworthy! The lists are always the same: Stuff like "appreciating the weather", and "celebrating being English" which doesn't even make sense but is perhaps slightly better than "appreciate enjoyment" . I swear I didn't make that bit of b******s up. But the one that always makes the list, and is the one that always gives away that this is simply an attempt to make money, whilst at the same time being the best idea on the list, is simply "get Drunk" .

Seriously? When did the English, the nation that invented Binge Drinking, ever need an excuse for that? And it doesn't work- Government and councils are constantly trying to get rid of Englands Binge Drinking Culture, they try and encourage a sort of European style cafe culture (which would work great if we had a Mediterranean climate!) where nobody drinks more than two glasses of wine, and nobody touches beer. They classify binge drinking as 4 pints of beer or more, which shows how out of touch they are with the average Englishman in the pub, who calls that lunchtime...so they then struggle when the only English thing they can suggest as way to celebrate being English is "Get Drunk".

But all they are really trying to do is reverse engineer St Patricks day. And it doesnt work. How can a damp day in April compete with a day in lent that is exempt from the rules for lent!? That my friends, was a stroke of marketing Genius, especially in a country that actually celebrates religion. Wouldn't work in England of course...

And heres the rub- The English don't really want a national day, nor do they need one. And at what price would it come if we did?

Look at the Irish, cringing every year, at the sight of half of America getting drunk in their honour- they've been reduced to a caricature of themselves!

We dont want a Committee to organise a parade for us! If I decide I need to get drunk and celebrate being English I have a flag (well, I did, I'm assuming its still in the loft) and I know where the best pubs are. Job done. I don't need a tv link up with English people in England and a photoshoot with a racist bigoted politician to know that I'm English.

Jeremy Paxman and other writers have tried to pin down exactly why the English don't seem to need a national day and summed it up as "Self Confidence" : When you've more or less conquered the world, laid down its borders, written its laws, and codified its sports, and generally bestrode the world like a colossus (despite being a relatively small nation) you don't really need to stand around waving a flag telling everyone else how great you are, you just sort of assume they know...

I'd say the Irish invented binge drinking.

[Torchwood]

I'd say the Irish invented binge drinking.

No the Irish Drink a lot ( about as much as the English on average IIRC) but there is no stigma attached to it, so no matter how much they drink, its not a binge. In England if you have half a pint you're an alcoholic who needs professional help...

Also Its the English who lost half of the 18th century due to alcohol consumption. Ask anyone here what happened then, nobody remembers a thing. Seriously one moment a Dutch chap turned up to sit on the throne, everyone cheered ('cos we didnt like the chap that was before him) and he said, "here lads, have a drop o' this, it'll put hairs on ye chest" , and that was it . Next thing we know its the 19th century, we've lost America, gained India and most of Africa, and we're talking to God on the porcelain telephone. That whole Empire thing was just a hang over....

[Paranormal Panther]

I'd say the Irish invented binge drinking.

The Russians might beg to differ. They would win the gold medal in binge drinking.

[EllJay]

Here is some solidarity for all the Britons, whom got "cheated of their day"

Elgar - Pomp and Circumstance March No. 1 (Land of Hope and Glory)

http://youtu.be/Vvgl_2JRIUs

Land of Hope and Glory, Mother of the Free,

How shall we extol thee, who are born of thee ?

Wider still and wider shall thy bounds be set ;

God, who made thee mighty, make thee mightier yet,

God, who made thee mighty, make thee mightier yet.

Rule, Britannia!

http://youtu.be/Y2iLA3h_u60

When Britain first, at heaven's command,

Arose from out the azure main,

This was the charter of the land,

And Guardian Angels sang this strain:

Rule, Britannia! Britannia, rule the waves!

Britons never, never, never shall be slaves.

[psyche101]

I nearly got into an argument about a story in the DAILY DOSE OF HYSTERIA ABOUT FOREIGNERS. What got into me?

I do not know there is a lot to argue, people are peeved at having to give up traditional festive occasions so that those festive occasions do not offend other views.

As far as I know, that is not how Multiculturalism works, it should be a celebration of cultures, not selective festivities.

It seems a justified protest to me. I do not know a lot about St George here, we do not celebrate the day, but I would not stop others from doing so, and have seen such debates over Christmas here that have familiar connotations.

[Torchwood]

I do not know there is a lot to argue, people are peeved at having to give up traditional festive occasions so that those festive occasions do not offend other views.

They havnt given up a festive tradition. Bristol (as a city) has no history of celebrating St Georges day. No parades, no festivals, nothing. I've been looking for any examples of it I can find, but apart from a few boy scout groups having a little parade at their local church on the nearest sunday, there doesnt seem to be much call for an event.

And nobody is actually stopping anyone from celebrating St Georges day if they want to. Because its a bit tricky preventing people from doing something they don't want to do anyway...

[psyche101]

They havnt given up a festive tradition. Bristol (as a city) has no history of celebrating St Georges day. No parades, no festivals, nothing. I've been looking for any examples of it I can find, but apart from a few boy scout groups having a little parade at their local church on the nearest sunday, there doesnt seem to be much call for an event.

Then why are so many local people complaining? The link in the OP has several locals saying they enjoy these celebrations each year. Community events I feel are important and bring people together. The link also says there are normal celebrations each year, but this is the first year council have opted to refuse the community?

And nobody is actually stopping anyone from celebrating St Georges day if they want to. Because its a bit tricky preventing people from doing something they don't want to do anyway...

Sitting at home is not the same thing as community spirit. Nor os a BBQ with a half dozen friends, if it is tradition, then it should remain so, and not be pushed around by relgion. Too much of that happens as it is.

LINK - Saint Nick sacked from Victorian pre-school so not to offend religious groups

The holy war has developed into a Holly war. Plain ridiculous to remove a day of joy form Kids - no Santa? Hell, there was never a better reason to stop being religious.

[Likely Guy]

The Russians might beg to differ. They would win the gold medal in binge drinking.

You have to stop drinking for a bit to truly "binge" drink. If not, you're "continually bombed".

[RavenHawk]

I think there is some truth in this.

I'll bet in many European cities as well as in the UK there are residents whose mother tongue is Spanish, Italian,Urdu,Yiddish, Korean, Chinese, Japanese,etc,etc., and not one of those people care whether we celebrate Christmas or St George's Day or Bastille Day and want similar privileges to be given to their historical dates which are celebrated "back home".

With regard to other points made in this thread, St George's Day has never been a big celebration, just an excuse for a BH, like St David's Day in Wales.

St Paddy's Day is quite different, it is a world-wide excuse for a p***-up and is big business for catering and drinking establishments.

Halloween is a bigger event in the UK, and that is an American import which we don't even understand.

The point isn’t whether it is a major holiday or not. It is something culturally unique to Great Britain. If the people don’t want to celebrate it – fine. But is should never be cancelled because it may offend immigrant cultures.

I’m noticing in this country that Dingus Day is spreading beyond the Polish communities. And today here in the SouthWest we celebrate Cinco de Mayo. Translated as “The Mayonnaise is in the sink” :-) They are more an excuse for eating, drinking, and being festive rather than what they signify. Today, we can wave the Mexican and American flags without offending anyone.

[spud the mackem]

I live near Bristol and have come to the conclusion that you cannot educate Pork, ooh-arrr ooh-arrr wher've ee parked ee tractor.but they got 91 wrong its 92 as they forgot Mackem

[Paranormal Panther]

You have to stop drinking for a bit to truly "binge" drink. If not, you're "continually bombed".

I think that the Russian team would win gold medals in both events. They make the Irish look like the Amish.

[Likely Guy]

I think that the Russian team would win gold medals in both events. They make the Irish look like the Amish.

Hey I'm half Mennonite (cousin to the Amish). Also 1/4 Irish. I drink quite well thank you.

[psyche101]

Hey I'm half Mennonite (cousin to the Amish). Also 1/4 Irish. I drink quite well thank you.

My father was Russian :D

[Paranormal Panther]

Hey I'm half Mennonite (cousin to the Amish). Also 1/4 Irish. I drink quite well thank you.

Are you kidding me? My great-great-grandmother was Mennonite.