aztek Posted May 31, 2016 #451 Share Posted May 31, 2016 1 minute ago, pallidin said: For an adult of his age to act like a whining, spoiled 3-year old, it's not an art. It's a clear sign of serious emotional immaturity. if that is what it takes to win, why not, listen to his interviews, from 5-10-15 years ago, he sounds a lot different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arbenol Posted May 31, 2016 #452 Share Posted May 31, 2016 1 hour ago, Yamato said: So what do we need Trump for then. 1 hour ago, aztek said: to not let Hillary win the office, That's like burning your own house down to prevent it being burgled. What I'm understanding from most American posters here is that this election will be about voting for the least loathed candidate. Considering how many people threw their hat into the ring at the start of all this, how is it that you've been left with these two? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pallidin Posted May 31, 2016 #453 Share Posted May 31, 2016 (edited) 32 minutes ago, Arbenol said: That's like burning your own house down to prevent it being burgled. What I'm understanding from most American posters here is that this election will be about voting for the least loathed candidate. Considering how many people threw their hat into the ring at the start of all this, how is it that you've been left with these two? For Trump devotee's it's actually simple... they are blind sheep, going "baaa, baaa, Trump" Not wanting to think for themselves, rather to have Trump think for them. Trump: '"This is THE WAY IT IS, right, sheeples? Right?!!!" Sheeples: "Baaa, baaa, right, Trump!!" Edited May 31, 2016 by pallidin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
preacherman76 Posted May 31, 2016 #454 Share Posted May 31, 2016 12 minutes ago, pallidin said: For Trump devotee's it's actually simple... they are blind sheep, going "baaa, baaa, Trump" Not wanting to think for themselves, rather to have Trump think for them. Trump: '"This is THE WAY IT IS, right, sheeples? Right?!!!" Sheeples: "Baaa, baaa, right, Trump!!" Alright we get it P. lol You honestly don't think the same about Hilary supporters? Do you understand how evil that woman is? If Trump ends up being corrupt, it will be like boss hog kinda corrupt. Making his pockets fat from a thriving system. Hilary will be like the damn anti Christ. Just evil to the core. Like a roaring lion seeking who she might devour. When she looks in the mirror this is what she see's. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pallidin Posted May 31, 2016 #455 Share Posted May 31, 2016 lol. Yeah, I'm no fan of Hillary either, but Trump? Really? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yamato Posted June 1, 2016 #456 Share Posted June 1, 2016 "We're going to build up our military bigger, better, stronger than ever been before and we're going to have to take out ISIS and we're going to have to take them out fast. "They're going to be gone. ISIS will be gone if I'm elected President. And they'll be gone quickly. They'll be gone very very quickly." "I would bomb the s*** out of them!" "I'd blow up the pipes. I'd blow up the refi...I'd blow up every single inch, there'd be nothing left, and you know what? You'll get Exxon to come in there and in two months, have you ever seen how good these guys are, the great oil companies? They'll rebuild that sucker brand new it'll be beautiful. And I'll ring it. And I'll take the oil. . And I said I'll take the oil." I don't know what the mirror reflects from this, but it's pretty close to the picture above. Not just evil, but people thinking he's a God when he's really a goat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HollyDolly Posted June 1, 2016 #457 Share Posted June 1, 2016 On 4/28/2016 at 11:24 AM, Leonardo said: Walking away or boycotting has always been a diplomatic tool. In diplomatic negotiations you can stall, but if you are sincere about the negotiations you cannot just walk away. When dealing with a sovereign state, the laws and ethics you operate under do not necessarily apply to how the "other side" operates - but in business deals you are both constrained by the same system of "rules". This is only one of the aspects in which business negotiation is different to diplomatic. Trump is used to negotiating when the rules are the same for both sides, and he has confidence he either knows those rules better than the other party or can bluff that he does. This will not apply in diplomatic situations. His boast of being a strong negotiator is meaningless in this context. Look at his claim about Prez Obama's "weak deal with Iran" as an example. Iran was under all sorts of sanctions (boycotts) already yet was still developing it's nuclear industry. Obama had a choice between "walking away" and letting Iran develop nuclear power without any international oversight involved, or engage in diplomacy to give up something to Iran (ease the sanctions) in return for Iran allowing greater access to it's nuclear program by international authorities as well as an agreement/deal that nuclear weapons were not part of that program's ambitions. "Walking away" is never an option, unless you want to surrender to the other party's whim. The US got more-or-less the best deal they could get, and Iran got more-or-less the best deal they could get. In addition, the relationship between the US and Iran got just a little bit better. That's not "weak", that is effective diplomacy. Trump, if he sticks to his "walk away" tough line, would have allowed Iran to continue to develop it's nuclear program without any international oversight and would probably have worsened the US-Iran relationship to boot. You tell me what is the best outcome. Of course they were already working on it. My late father who had worked military intelligence for the USAF for 33 years mentioned this one time.I don't even recall what brought up the subject,whether a news paper article or something on the news, but he spoke about Iran and nukes, and he died in 1996. He also felt that if WW3 starts, it would start in the Middle East,Gog and Magog he said. Too bad he isn't here,becuase I'd like to get his take on that whole treaty with Iran and also what he would think of Trump. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
questionmark Posted June 1, 2016 #458 Share Posted June 1, 2016 2 minutes ago, HollyDolly said: Of course they were already working on it. My late father who had worked military intelligence for the USAF for 33 years mentioned this one time.I don't even recall what brought up the subject,whether a news paper article or something on the news, but he spoke about Iran and nukes, and he died in 1996. He also felt that if WW3 starts, it would start in the Middle East,Gog and Magog he said. Too bad he isn't here,becuase I'd like to get his take on that whole treaty with Iran and also what he would think of Trump. Well, given that Iran is not really part of the ME (in fact they are Persian, not Arab) I doubt he would have thought about therm as Gog and Magoc. But if I am allowed to pry: Was your father with the OSI? If so, where was he stationed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yamato Posted June 1, 2016 #459 Share Posted June 1, 2016 America's hatred of Muslims includes both The Arabs and Iran. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michelle Posted June 1, 2016 #460 Share Posted June 1, 2016 4 minutes ago, Yamato said: America's hatred of Muslims includes both The Arabs and Iran. Speak for yourself and don't put me into your generalization of Americans. That's what bigots do. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
preacherman76 Posted June 1, 2016 #461 Share Posted June 1, 2016 11 hours ago, Yamato said: "We're going to build up our military bigger, better, stronger than ever been before and we're going to have to take out ISIS and we're going to have to take them out fast. "They're going to be gone. ISIS will be gone if I'm elected President. And they'll be gone quickly. They'll be gone very very quickly." "I would bomb the s*** out of them!" "I'd blow up the pipes. I'd blow up the refi...I'd blow up every single inch, there'd be nothing left, and you know what? You'll get Exxon to come in there and in two months, have you ever seen how good these guys are, the great oil companies? They'll rebuild that sucker brand new it'll be beautiful. And I'll ring it. And I'll take the oil. . And I said I'll take the oil." I don't know what the mirror reflects from this, but it's pretty close to the picture above. Not just evil, but people thinking he's a God when he's really a goat. I'll take that over pretending to be against them while funding and training them. Then using them to take over other countries. If the goal is to really take ISIS out, considering what those evil SOB's have done that wouldn't really be a bad thing. Especially if we don't occupy another country and turn it into another Afgan. Now sure Id just assume walk away from the whole thing. But if something is going to be done, Id at least like to actually know whats really going on. Heck Russia softened them up enough we probably really could finish that fight quick like. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
preacherman76 Posted June 1, 2016 #462 Share Posted June 1, 2016 1 hour ago, questionmark said: Well, given that Iran is not really part of the ME (in fact they are Persian, not Arab) I doubt he would have thought about therm as Gog and Magoc. But if I am allowed to pry: Was your father with the OSI? If so, where was he stationed? True, but Persia is part of the last biblical battle. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paranormal Panther Posted June 1, 2016 #463 Share Posted June 1, 2016 (edited) I know. We live in Bizarro World. Edited June 1, 2016 by Paranormal Panther Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yamato Posted June 1, 2016 #464 Share Posted June 1, 2016 2 hours ago, Michelle said: Speak for yourself and don't put me into your generalization of Americans. That's what bigots do. Do you have to try so hard to be insulted all the time? Was I talking to you? I am speaking for myself. So no, you're not in my "generalization of Americans" for doing what "bigots do": Apparently that's stating a fact that both the Arabs and Iran are chronically on America's **** list -- so I can avoid being called a bigot. Thank you so much you're so sweet! If The Arabs were bombing us like our country is bombing them, I would think a lot worse of them than I do. Speaking of bigotry, Exceptionalism is another word for hypocrisy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aztek Posted June 1, 2016 #465 Share Posted June 1, 2016 so what is Hillary's foreign policy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leonardo Posted June 2, 2016 #466 Share Posted June 2, 2016 13 hours ago, HollyDolly said: Of course they were already working on it. My late father who had worked military intelligence for the USAF for 33 years mentioned this one time.I don't even recall what brought up the subject,whether a news paper article or something on the news, but he spoke about Iran and nukes, and he died in 1996. He also felt that if WW3 starts, it would start in the Middle East,Gog and Magog he said. Too bad he isn't here,becuase I'd like to get his take on that whole treaty with Iran and also what he would think of Trump. America has been antagonistic towards Iran since the 1979 revolution in that country which toppled the US-backed (and very unpopular) monarchy. While your father may have been right, and Iran has been interested in acquiring a nuclear deterrent for decades, there is the politics of the situation between the US and Iran to consider when examining any statement citizens of one country make about the other. Demonising Iran under the Islamic government was "official policy" for anyone representing the US at government level, and naturally this policy disseminated into the general public - whether what was reported was true or not. I am not suggesting Iran was "pure and innocent", or that it was any better than the US in regards this "demonisation". Neither am I declaring that Iran had (and has) no nuclear ambitions, but I am suggesting that bias on both sides inevitably grants each a "worse than what reality may be" appearance of the other. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yamato Posted June 2, 2016 #467 Share Posted June 2, 2016 12 hours ago, preacherman76 said: I'll take that over pretending to be against them while funding and training them. Then using them to take over other countries. If the goal is to really take ISIS out, considering what those evil SOB's have done that wouldn't really be a bad thing. Especially if we don't occupy another country and turn it into another Afgan. ISIS is in 20 countries. Donald Trump can't "take them out", not a chance in hell. Unless we're so gung ho about the goal we're ready to start WW3. Quote Now sure Id just assume walk away from the whole thing. But if something is going to be done, Id at least like to actually know whats really going on. Heck Russia softened them up enough we probably really could finish that fight quick like. If Donald Trump does what he says he'll do the problem will get 10x worse. People will come streaming into Iraq from all directions and they'll melt into the populations and fight the guerilla war and they'll win the guerilla war like they always do. And right on time, in the course of winning every battle and losing the war, we'll get an endless roster of crooked and not-so-nice people who don't like us very much running the place. It's been Einstein's definition of insanity for years. How many more years and how many more American lives? We're not going to take them out quickly and then start taking their oil. That's obviously not how it works over there. We'll put our troops in harms way for Exxon's new oil fields to take how many years of Iraq's oil as a return on their investment? Trump's not taking ISIS's oil, he's taking Iraq's. He'll probably create an unofficial alliance between ISIS and the govt of Iraq we're supposed to be helping if he executes such a mind-numbingly stupid policy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ellapenella Posted June 6, 2016 Author #468 Share Posted June 6, 2016 On 6/1/2016 at 7:46 PM, aztek said: so what is Hillary's foreign policy? It's not in the best interest of America, that's for sure. Her foreign policy was catastrophic. She's caused enough damage. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ellapenella Posted June 6, 2016 Author #469 Share Posted June 6, 2016 On 6/1/2016 at 5:52 PM, preacherman76 said: True, but Persia is part of the last biblical battle. It's weird right, how everything is happening. Makes me wonder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ellapenella Posted June 6, 2016 Author #470 Share Posted June 6, 2016 On 6/1/2016 at 6:10 AM, Yamato said: "We're going to build up our military bigger, better, stronger than ever been before and we're going to have to take out ISIS and we're going to have to take them out fast. "They're going to be gone. ISIS will be gone if I'm elected President. And they'll be gone quickly. They'll be gone very very quickly." "I would bomb the s*** out of them!" "I'd blow up the pipes. I'd blow up the refi...I'd blow up every single inch, there'd be nothing left, and you know what? You'll get Exxon to come in there and in two months, have you ever seen how good these guys are, the great oil companies? They'll rebuild that sucker brand new it'll be beautiful. And I'll ring it. And I'll take the oil. . And I said I'll take the oil." I don't know what the mirror reflects from this, but it's pretty close to the picture above. Not just evil, but people thinking he's a God when he's really a goat. for our country's sake we have no choice but to improve our military back to where it should be, after all look what this administration has done to it. Who would you prefer to have control over the oil, who do you trust there? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ellapenella Posted June 6, 2016 Author #471 Share Posted June 6, 2016 On 6/1/2016 at 5:50 PM, preacherman76 said: I'll take that over pretending to be against them while funding and training them. Then using them to take over other countries. If the goal is to really take ISIS out, considering what those evil SOB's have done that wouldn't really be a bad thing. Especially if we don't occupy another country and turn it into another Afgan. Now sure Id just assume walk away from the whole thing. But if something is going to be done, Id at least like to actually know whats really going on. Heck Russia softened them up enough we probably really could finish that fight quick like. exactly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ellapenella Posted June 6, 2016 Author #472 Share Posted June 6, 2016 On 6/1/2016 at 4:45 PM, Yamato said: America's hatred of Muslims includes both The Arabs and Iran. this is such an ignorant statement from you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yamato Posted June 7, 2016 #473 Share Posted June 7, 2016 3 hours ago, Ellapennella said: for our country's sake we have no choice but to improve our military back to where it should be, after all look what this administration has done to it. Who would you prefer to have control over the oil, who do you trust there? THE oil? How about a world with real laws and real countries recognized under international law as sovereign entities? What makes you think you need more oil than you've got already? Don't you have enough already? 3 hours ago, Ellapennella said: this is such an ignorant statement from you. Why? It's a chronic dirtfight on the ME board about Muslims of all stripes. "The Arabs" in particular. And don't think you can leave off Iran. That would be ignorant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ellapenella Posted June 7, 2016 Author #474 Share Posted June 7, 2016 On 6/6/2016 at 11:11 PM, Yamato said: THE oil? How about a world with real laws and real countries recognized under international law as sovereign entities? What makes you think you need more oil than you've got already? Don't you have enough already? Why? It's a chronic dirtfight on the ME board about Muslims of all stripes. "The Arabs" in particular. And don't think you can leave off Iran. That would be ignorant. Because it's not true when you refer to Americans as hateful towards Muslims. Maybe non-trusting more so if anything but hateful, no. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ellapenella Posted June 7, 2016 Author #475 Share Posted June 7, 2016 hey Yamato, how about let's try to get our country on the right track before our country is no more, and then we won't have one to complain about. Who do you think is the best option for the job ? Trump or Hillery? I'm with Trump on this one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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