FBI is developing tattoo recognition software

[UM-Bot]

Authorities in the US are working on a way to track and identify criminals by recognizing their tattoos.

The new system, which has attracted a great deal of criticism from privacy groups, will use special computer algorithms to analyze a tattoo and attempt to link it to a specific person.

http://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/news/295244/fbi-is-developing-tattoo-recognition-software

[GlitterRose]

People thought there would be no consequences for marking their bodies with unmistakably identifying and permanent artwork? 

Geez...if you're gonna be a criminal, it's best not to even have novelty plates. You'd think they would be aware of that.

[Skulduggery]

I'm surprised this hasn't been done sooner. They've identified a number of John & Jane Does by their tattoos before. There are websites set up for that kind of thing. I'm surprised a big database of tattoos doesn't already exist.

Edited June 4, 2016 by Skulduggery

[Nnicolette]

I am also suprised this is new given how long they have been collecting pictures of tattoos during booking.

[F3SS]

So long as I don't have to register my tattoos into a database when I get them at the parlor then they will only find use for this for tracking already wanted persons who's tats have been photographed and I can't see a problem with that.

[Modochi]

6 hours ago, F3SS said:

So long as I don't have to register my tattoos into a database when I get them at the parlor then they will only find use for this for tracking already wanted persons who's tats have been photographed and I can't see a problem with that.

I'm guessing your opinion will change the day cops bust you for having a tattoo matching that of a wanted criminal.

[Modochi]

New tech for crime fighting is good, but given just how easily our current tech fails when it comes to matching up people I can see the day when cops have to apologize for busting someone for the crime of having a tattoo matching that of a wanted criminal.

[Frank Merton]

Photo recognition, handwriting recognition, fingerprint recognition, dna recognition, speech and writing style recognition, voice recognition, buying patterns recognition, ideological recognition, personality recognition, hair recognition, and on it goes.

Yes it will be useful for police and for dictators and politicians and advertisers and con artists and lawyers.  Some places the innocent will go free, other places it will advance the art of persecution and suppression of the unpopular or the politically unreliable.  Welcome to 1984, a bit delayed but not so impossible.

[freetoroam]

do they really need the extra technology? The criminals are handing it on a plate to them with their tattoos. ?.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1379651/Chest-tattoo-leads-murder-conviction-killer-Anthony-Garcia.html

[F3SS]

5 hours ago, Modochi said:

I'm guessing your opinion will change the day cops bust you for having a tattoo matching that of a wanted criminal.

Unlikely given that mine are all very distinct and custom drawn. Not to mention placement and that goes for anybody's tats custom or not. Size, color, placement. They're almost always very distinct on anyone. I'm thinking tramp stamps and tribal bands around the bicep are the kinds of tats that are most likely to be confused.

Edited June 5, 2016 by F3SS

[jarjarbinks]

Good luck trying to find my tattoo since i dont have one SUCKA!

Well, im also aint a criminal so...

[dragon1440]

Many times they are already written done descripitions of tattoos of wanted people. Often one of the first things a witness remembers when seeing a crime. They have had a written database for YEARS!!!!!!! (Does no one watch Cops anymore, or ever watched Dog the Bounty Hunter.) The only change really is that it will be images instead of physical descriptions, am I missing something?

[freetoroam]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2200691/Criminals-caught-tattoo-recognition.html

This is from 2012.

I can not see what is different from what the FBI are already doing or already have....maybe they are doing a few tweeks on their system.....sort of like what Saru has done for us on here recently.

maybe one day we will have an upgrade where our avi's will be a tattoo....Otto can have T-rump tattoed on his butt, he would not even need a name.

[White Unicorn]

19 hours ago, ChaosRose said:

People thought there would be no consequences for marking their bodies with unmistakably identifying and permanent artwork? 

Geez...if you're gonna be a criminal, it's best not to even have novelty plates. You'd think they would be aware of that.

Makes me think of several stupid serial bank robbers who had hand and wrist tatoos. Surveillance camera caught a veiw to link to other robberies as well as drawings. You'd think they'd be smart enough to mask that as well as face. They were drug addicted, so maybe that explained the stupidity.

[Nnicolette]

21 hours ago, F3SS said:

So long as I don't have to register my tattoos into a database when I get them at the parlor then they will only find use for this for tracking already wanted persons who's tats have been photographed and I can't see a problem with that.

Already wanted persons? Not exactly. I went to jail for getting beat up by my ex husband. Turns out he was on heroin decided to walk in and attack me at random and when i bit his hand because the strangulation was bordering on killing me i was taken to jail for the bitemark on his hand. Took a week for them to realize my whole face was a bruise and i wasnt lying and let me go.

Anyways all my tattoos are on file. It is not written, they photographed all of them for thier database as they did when i got a dui 13 years ago. Things happen and they can happen to anyone even if they didnt make as bad choices as i have. Thinking it can't happen to you is a crude reason to assume the rest of us are 'wanted persons' and should be tracked.

[freetoroam]

10 minutes ago, Nnicolette said:

Already wanted persons? Not exactly. I went to jail for getting beat up by my ex husband. Turns out he was on heroin decided to walk in and attack me at random and when i bit his hand because the strangulation was bordering on killing me i was taken to jail for the bitemark on his hand. Took a week for them to realize my whole face was a bruise and i wasnt lying and let me go.

Anyways all my tattoos are on file. It is not written, they photographed all of them for thier database as they did when i got a dui 13 years ago. Things happen and they can happen to anyone even if they didnt make as bad choices as i have. Thinking it can't happen to you is a crude reason to assume the rest of us are 'wanted persons' and should be tracked.

I may be wrong, but I think what F3SS meant people who have already been arrested so they will be on file....like you have decribed how they have yours on file.

[F3SS]

9 minutes ago, Nnicolette said:

Already wanted persons? Not exactly. I went to jail for getting beat up by my ex husband. Turns out he was on heroin decided to walk in and attack me at random and when i bit his hand because the strangulation was bordering on killing me i was taken to jail for the bitemark on his hand. Took a week for them to realize my whole face was a bruise and i wasnt lying and let me go.

Anyways all my tattoos are on file. It is not written, they photographed all of them for thier database as they did when i got a dui 13 years ago. Things happen and they can happen to anyone even if they didnt make as bad choices as i have. Thinking it can't happen to you is a crude reason to assume the rest of us are 'wanted persons' and should be tracked.

Sorry about the first part of your post. Sounds like a fubar situation though I fail to see the relation to this topic or my post.

As for the second part, noting identifying body marks are part of getting booked. I wouldn't know. However, in either case your tattoos weren't recorded into a database when you got them nor were they a factor in getting you arrested. 

Firstly, one would have to both match a similar physical description along with similar tattoo placement and style for a mistake to be made. I really don't see a big deal. 

[pallidin]

It's just a more rapid ID thing. Tat's are specific to the human in varying ways.

Sometimes a victim is cut-up, riddled with bullets, blown apart, etc.

It's just an additional forensic ID tool, nothing more.

[Nnicolette]

54 minutes ago, F3SS said:

Sorry about the first part of your post. Sounds like a fubar situation though I fail to see the relation to this topic or my post.

As for the second part, noting identifying body marks are part of getting booked. I wouldn't know. However, in either case your tattoos weren't recorded into a database when you got them nor were they a factor in getting you arrested. 

Firstly, one would have to both match a similar physical description along with similar tattoo placement and style for a mistake to be made. I really don't see a big deal.

 

54 minutes ago, F3SS said:

Well thinking i am a liar doesnt change the fact that they have photographed mine for thier database multiple times, told me thats what they were doing as is typical booking procedure. You are actually trying to tell me that this isnt true? Im pretty sure we have all heard of police looking for wanted criminals with pictures of thier tattoos included. Perhaps on tv at least? Odds are they took the tatt picture before they were on the wanted list, dont you think?

 

My point is this is not a new procedure. If you dont see the correlation because i threw in my own personal story then that is irrelevant to me. I have a million stories and its how i relate to things 

Edited June 6, 2016 by Nnicolette

[Nnicolette]

1 hour ago, freetoroam said:

I may be wrong, but I think what F3SS meant people who have already been arrested so they will be on file....like you have decribed how they have yours on file.

To me, having been booked before, especially when dismissed for it clearly being bs, is not the same as being a wanted criminal as quoted.

[F3SS]

1 minute ago, Nnicolette said:

Well calling me a liar doesnt change the fact that they have photographed mine for thier database multiple times, told me thats what they were doing as is typical booking procedure. You are actually trying to tell me that this isnt true? Im pretty sure we have all heard of police looking for wanted criminals with pictures of thier tattoos included. Perhaps on tv at least? Odds are they took the tatt picture before they were on the wanted list, dont you think?

I didn't discredit anything you said. I believe you. I know they've filed your tats cause you got booked. What did not happen is that your tattoos were the reason you were arrested in either case you stated and your tattoos weren't recorded into a database when you got them. That is all. If they were then you've left out that part of the story. And yes, suspected people are often decribed for the tattoos they have. Nobody thinks otherwise. Your beef seems to be that you've been arrested and that you have tattoos. How many other women in your area would you think fit all of your physical descriptions plus your tattoo styles, sizes and placements? I'm not sure what your concern is.

[Nnicolette]

39 minutes ago, F3SS said:

I didn't discredit anything you said. I believe you. I know they've filed your tats cause you got booked. What did not happen is that your tattoos were the reason you were arrested in either case you stated and your tattoos weren't recorded into a database when you got them. That is all. If they were then you've left out that part of the story. And yes, suspected people are often decribed for the tattoos they have. Nobody thinks otherwise. Your beef seems to be that you've been arrested and that you have tattoos. How many other women in your area would you think fit all of your physical descriptions plus your tattoo styles, sizes and placements? I'm not sure what your concern is.

Well for one no woman fits my description because they dont compare  and i dont think you are following where the discrepency is. You say there was no database, but the police who take the photgraphs say 'this is just for our indentity database' please try reading what i am saying before telling me what i have beef about.

Also i didnt say i got arrested for my tattoos. I think you are making up a lot of extra scenarios because perhaps my argumentative nature irritates you or something but you are putting a whole lotta extra words in my mouth just to have something else to disagree with.

Edited June 6, 2016 by Nnicolette

[pallidin]

Nic, I also don't get it.

Let's say that your daughter was violently raped, and all the authorities have to go on is tats described to the investigators from the victim (your daughter)

Would that not be a reasonable investigative concern?

[Nnicolette]

@pallidin

Well yeah its what this database is for.

 I don't quite follow what you don't get though.

I said it already existed for decades and he said it didnt. And that he has no knowledge of the subject but wants to act as if im a liar to suit whatever preconception he has as is prevailant on this site. Im not sure if there was much else in there to get.

Personally i believe the multiple officers that explained what they do with the pictures over him, he sounds clueless.

Edited June 6, 2016 by Nnicolette

[F3SS]

Nic, lay off the blunts. You're arguing with the voices in your head. This thread is about tattoo recognition software. I never said you lied about anything and didn't tell you what your beef was. I asked. I didn't say your tests weren't in a database. I've said tats aren't registered into a database when you get one. Now I don't think you understand this thread. Since you've been arrested you just might find yourself in this library of files that this new software scans for matches but unless you're involved in a future criminal action where your tats are exposed and caught on camera I doubt you'll need to concern yourself with wether or not this software will mistake you with someone else. Settle yourself. It is you who is seeking a battle due to some preconception that I'm trying to be a dick.

Edited June 6, 2016 by F3SS