Mass-casualty shooting at Orlando nightclub

[+and-then]

1 minute ago, pallidin said:

What are you talking about? This has nothing to do with partisan politics, rather, a lone-wolf radical Islamic-bent weirdo that decides to murder innocent people for being gay.

I did not read Jack Skellington's comment to be about partisanship at all.  He was merely pointing to the similarity in the kinds of mental gymnastics all Liberal/Progressive types engage in when their beliefs are outed as pure rubbish.  He was responding to Leonardo,  who was in effect parsing and twisting the facts in a very precisely legal way - to bring doubt on the role of Islamic ideology.

[GoldenWolf]

8 minutes ago, Paranormal Panther said:

In that case, the murderer was an atheist from New York. He wasn't a local.

What?  Omar declared his allegiance to Isis and Islam.

[Paranormal Panther]

1 minute ago, Mystic Crusader said:

What?  Omar declared his allegiance to Isis and Islam.

I'm talking about Tim McVeigh. Someone claimed that he was a local from Oklahoma.

[Jack Skellington]

24 minutes ago, Leonardo said:

Why are you mistaking me, or the "Senior Official" in the quote I posted, for the President? I only posted what was reported, and that only referred to a "senior (US) official", so why bring up Obama?

Your feigned ignorance reminds me of his willful ignorance.

[GoldenWolf]

Just now, Paranormal Panther said:

I'm talking about Tim McVeigh. Someone claimed that he was a local from Oklahoma.

He declared himself Christian, I will never forget that, he and Nichols planned the attack at a local hotel where I live.  I was ten at the time.  I'm sure of another local who was more than likely involved, but never convicted.

[pallidin]

Why, oh why, do some people insist on blaming a sitting President for this tragedy?

That is just ridiculous, on so many levels.

[Paranormal Panther]

2 minutes ago, Mystic Crusader said:

He declared himself Christian, I will never forget that, he and Nichols planned the attack at a local hotel where I live.  I was ten at the time.  I'm sure of another local who was more than likely involved, but never convicted.

He was an atheist. He was born and raised in a Catholic family in the state of New York. That said, he may have converted to Christianity when he said "adios". I'm certain about the first two *facts*, though.

[+and-then]

5 minutes ago, pallidin said:

Why, oh why, do some people insist on blaming a sitting President for this tragedy?

That is just ridiculous, on so many levels.

No one is blaming Obama.  It is wrong to point out similarities in the actions of people?  

[seeder]

40 minutes ago, Leonardo said:

The BBC are reporting this...

 

 

This was quoted at 11:42 pm GMT.

I'm not saying the guy did not swear allegiance to Daesh, but it may be a bit more complicated than just saying "it was Islamic terrorism".

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another BBC report

An FBI spokesman said the gunman phoned emergency services before the attack and pledged allegiance to Islamic State group.

The group has called him an IS "fighter" but no links between him and them have been confirmed.

US President Barack Obama said this was an act of terror and an act of hate, but authorities were investigating whether there were links to extremist groups.

The presumptive Republican presidential nominee, Donald Trump, called on the president to resign for not using the words "Islamic terrorism".

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-36511778

 

 

[+susieice]

Mateen was investigated twice. He made a 911 call. None of our news has reported this as anything but islamic terrorism since about noon when information about him really started coming out

. Mateen dealt the cards. Gotta call a spade a spade.

[Paranormal Panther]

13 minutes ago, Mystic Crusader said:

He declared himself Christian, I will never forget that, he and Nichols planned the attack at a local hotel where I live.  I was ten at the time.  I'm sure of another local who was more than likely involved, but never convicted.

FWIW, Terry Nichols wasn't an Okie, either. He was from Michigan.

[pallidin]

Could this massacre have been thwarted? Please tell exactly how.

[Lilly]

Well what do you know, it appears Omar Mateen had ties with another Islamic Terrorist: http://www.tcpalm.com/news/crime/st-lucie-county/fbi-confirms-orlando-shooter-mateen-first-american-born-suicide-bomber-abu-salha-had-contact-in-201--382625751.html

[Thanato]

1 hour ago, Jack Skellington said:

A perfect example of 'what to do.'

On August 2, 2012, Congress passed a bill that included restrictions on demonstrators at military funerals, which became law four days later when signed by President Obama. The bill says that for 2 hours before until 2 hours after the funeral service demonstrators must stay at least 300 feet (91 m) away from the boundary of the funeral location and away from the residence of grieving family members.^[128]

---Because of their religious views-- they have had some of their "rights" taken from them.  For example, Westboro Baptist Church Members may not travel to Canada or the UK.

They relinquish their rights by virtue of their radical religious beliefs, which influence their behavior.

 

 

They arnt allowed in Canada because what they do is against the law.

[Glockornothing]

5 minutes ago, pallidin said:

Could this massacre have been thwarted? Please tell exactly how.

Close the club at 11 P.M.

 

Edited June 13, 2016 by Glockornothing

[+susieice]

3 minutes ago, Glockornothing said:

Close the club at 11 P.M.

 

From what I've been able to gather over all these hours, the club was on last rounds at 2AM when Mateen entered. He held them hostage until police gained entry somewhere around 5AM. 

[pallidin]

3 minutes ago, Glockornothing said:

Close the bar at 11

Doesn't work.

You have to completely ban alcoholic drinks and kill all gays... according to them.

[+susieice]

I hate these quote boxes. If you get one by accident you can't get rid of it.

The names of 7 of the victims have been released.

http://www.cnn.com/interactive/2016/06/us/orlando-attack-victims/

10 minutes ago, susieice said:

 

 

[+susieice]

25 minutes ago, Lilly said:

Well what do you know, it appears Omar Mateen had ties with another Islamic Terrorist: http://www.tcpalm.com/news/crime/st-lucie-county/fbi-confirms-orlando-shooter-mateen-first-american-born-suicide-bomber-abu-salha-had-contact-in-201--382625751.html

Looks like he had some other friends too.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2016/06/12/orlando-gunman-tied-to-radical-imam-released-from-prison-last-year-say-law-enforcement-sources.html

[docyabut2]

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We really got to stop  being so political correct and realize we have a problem with Islamic terrorism and  address  it for what it is .

 

[pallidin]

Islamic fanaticism needs to be squashed at it's core.

The ideology that NOTHING but strict adherence to Sharia law must die.

They are thugs, rapists, murderers and thieves.

Please allow me to puke more than I have.

Edited June 13, 2016 by pallidin

[docyabut2]

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Its really sad how many lives are lost in the world due  to this Islamic terrorism ,until  free nations  really decide to do anything about , it will go on  I guess its why I like Trump who will address it and not shove it in the back ground

 

Edited June 13, 2016 by docyabut2

[Paranormal Panther]

9 hours ago, susieice said:

I'm just thinking there is a misguided sense of what freedom is. Being able to go to a nightclub and enjoy the company of good friends, regardless of sexual orientation, is freedom. Being able to attend events in a public place without fear of attack is freedom. Supporting a person's right to evolve into a mass killer is not freedom. Feeling that keeping a close eye on people who exhibit the type of behavior that can potentially evolve into that brain set will result in your loss of freedom is paranoia. 

This is what I observe, Susie Ice. One side is cool with spying on "Christians", and one side is cool with spying on "Muslims". It still comes down to teams and tribes. Political prejudices play a large part in this. It's nigh impossible to avoid bias. For example, progressives (not all of them) won't acknowledge an elephant in the room. Some Muslim countries, like Iran and Saudi Arabia, kill gay people. The Left is flummoxed by this because acknowledging this fact could be twisted into "anti-Muslim hate speech" by the PC orthodoxy. The progressives (not all of them) are wont to violate "Partisan Rules For Hypocrites". They would rather "name and shame" a tiny group of anomalous Baptists who attend a very atypical church. They may even claim that they're more threatened by obscure cults than real threats. I'm not referring to just the Westboro Association of Sadistic Fundamentalist Attorneys, by the way. 

[Paranormal Panther]

41 minutes ago, susieice said:

All religions have their nutjobs. Most Christians wouldn't agree with this. Anymore than bombing abortion clinics. They may not agree with the principle, but few will act out with violence.

The Left will trumpet two sick words from a "Christian" more than 2,000 sick acts from a "Muslim". That's how they roll. 

[docyabut2]

12 minutes ago, Paranormal Panther said:

This is what I observe, Susie Ice. One side is cool with spying on "Christians", and one side is cool with spying on "Muslims". It still comes down to teams and tribes. Political prejudices play a large part in this. It's nigh impossible to avoid bias. For example, progressives (not all of them) won't acknowledge an elephant in the room. Some Muslim countries, like Iran and Saudi Arabia, kill gay people. The Left is flummoxed by this because acknowledging this fact could be twisted into "anti-Muslim hate speech" by the PC orthodoxy. The progressives (not all of them) are wont to violate "Partisan Rules For Hypocrites". They would rather "name and shame" a tiny group of anomalous Baptists who attend a very atypical church. They may even claim that they're more threatened by obscure cults than real threats. I'm not referring to just the Westboro Association of Sadistic Fundamentalist Attorneys, by the way. 

Right these Christians against gay rights  are not  really killing people,but just disagree  but these Islamic fanantic s  sure are killing gays all over the world

Edited June 13, 2016 by docyabut2