Mass-casualty shooting at Orlando nightclub

[Stubbly_Dooright]

As I have said before, I was not doubting that he was tied to terrorist activities or such, but at the time, there was only so much we had at the time, that if it turned out it was only a reaction to homosexuality, then that only would make it a hate crime. So, now we have more information, so there does seem to be some form of a terrorist act. 

In fact, it seems it is a bit of a lot of things and reasons. Earlier, we didn't know for sure. 

[Paranormal Panther]

5 minutes ago, docyabut2 said:

Right these Christians against gay rights  are not  really killing people,but just disagree  but these Islamic fanantic s  sure are killing gays all over the world

It's official government policy to execute homosexuals in some parts of the world. Where are the protests?

[docyabut2]

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I just like to say my heart goes out to all  who lost their loves ones, just think if this radical state of  Islamic didn't exist, how peaceful this world could be .

 

[+susieice]

This is the man arrested in So Cali on his way to a gay pride festival and parade being held in LA. Police say there is no connection to Orlando.

http://www.wlky.com/news/indiana-man-plotted-to-harm-lgbt-at-pride-parade-in-los-angeles/40023588

[Thanato]

This was a terrible Homophobic Terrorist attack.

[Stubbly_Dooright]

2 hours ago, Paranormal Panther said:

In that case, the murderer was an atheist from New York. He wasn't a local.

Are you talking about the Orlando shooter? If you are, an Atheist? That wouldn't make sense, if he has some ties to a group with some form of religious beliefs. Unless, there is something that says he was an Atheist until recently. 

The thing is, he was a local as he was a born American. So, that could be looked at in that way. 

[coolguy]

Its an act of terrtorim 

[Yamato]

4 hours ago, Jack Skellington said:

Obviously the point is the threat of violence.

If the subject is a member of PETA.  ...a vegetarian.  ...has a Bernie Sanders sticker on her Prius.   --- And makes violent threats.... no guns.

But when Obama has a Hillary sticker and makes violent threats, he needs even more guns. 

If the subject is a redneck who has a Confederate flag and a shotgun rack and a John McCain sticker on his Chevy F150, and makes violent threats? 

He's not Muslim so it's okay.

Unexplained Mysteries, US Politics Board,  June 12, 2024:

Republican:  "Hillary is the worst President in US history and definitely the worst two-term President in history.  She has been drone and tomahawk bombing Americans all across southern Appalachia for the past five years.   A wall is being built from the Hudson Bay to the Chattahoochie River in hopes of containing the westward spread of southern people.   Walls have been erected around many states to keep "the hicks" from traveling across state lines and living in other states!"

Democrat: "She didn't say all rednecks.   Now that they are being tortured and their family members are also being targeted, the problem finally seems to be under control.   And the hills are virtually cleaned of all traces of gun-wielding rednecks, and yet the tales in the valleys of their lingering but hidden presence in the mountains persists.   We need to be sure they're disarmed completely before another terrorist attack occurs."

Republican: "Why is it just "the rednecks" with the Confederate flags and Trump! stickers on their pickup trucks whose gun rights were abolished?"

Democrat: "Because they're the most likely ones to commit terrorist attacks against Democrats and other innocent Americans."

[Lugal]

This is heartbreaking 

R.I.P to all those involved

[Likely Guy]

7 minutes ago, Lugal said:

This is heartbreaking 

R.I.P to all those involved

Best response in pages.

Edited June 13, 2016 by Likely Guy

[Paranormal Panther]

41 minutes ago, Stubbly_Dooright said:

Are you talking about the Orlando shooter? If you are, an Atheist? That wouldn't make sense, if he has some ties to a group with some form of religious beliefs. Unless, there is something that says he was an Atheist until recently. 

The thing is, he was a local as he was a born American. So, that could be looked at in that way. 

Cheese and rice! For the third time in this thread, I'm talking about Tim McVeigh, in response to a prior post.

[RavenHawk]

21 minutes ago, Lugal said:

This is heartbreaking 

R.I.P to all those involved

What is heartbreaking would be to stand at the door listening to all the phones continue to ring that are still among the dead.

 

[RavenHawk]

9 hours ago, FLOMBIE said:

Do you like your freedom? *POOF* it's gone!

Some good our freedom is if we are dead or destroyed.  And that is what will happen if we do not become aggressive at dealing with Islam.  We have become pusses and wimps.  Every single Muslim must be held accountable or there will be no end to this.  If you are offended by that – tough ****!  We can no longer sit by and listen to Muslims try to claim that this is not what we believe.  In Islam, the non-Muslim are not innocent and worthy of subjugation or death.  This is a core belief of the faith.  If you do not believe that, then you need to renounce Islam, because then, you are an Apostate.  Where the Hell do you think Radical Islamic Terrorists come from anyway?  They are the youth of Moderates that hear the call to faith and seek to turn away from Apostasy.  These terrorists do not do this because they hate gays or hate Americans or hate non-Muslims, they do it because they love Allah more.

As usual, the Left is trying to turn this into gun control.  They don’t understand what it is that is killing us.  The only solution is to ensure that everyone is armed and trained.  Get rid of gun free zones.  If we are a gun culture then we as a people need to find our spirit again.

8 hours ago, Not Your Huckleberry said:

Damnit, what country do we need to invade and destabilize now?!

Let’s make a list and begin with the first one on that list.  Our so-called Muslim allies are not going to put their boots on the ground to take out ISIS and all the other Islamic terrorists groups.  The Kurds are only interested in fighting for their territory and no further.

7 minutes ago, pallidin said:

Why, oh why, do some people insist on blaming a sitting President for this tragedy?

That is just ridiculous, on so many levels.

Hardly.  He is responsible for setting the bar.  He refuses to call this Islamic terrorism.  He refuses to be aggressive in destroying Islamic terrorism.  So you’re damned right that he has earned the blame.

Until we call this for what it is and get really aggressive, more of this will happen.  The day is coming soon where we will wake up like today to another worse terrorist attack in American history and within hours, we’ll hear of another that will be worse than that.  Our law enforcement will be doing their best but they will be overcome.  This is Islam on the move.  Some have been saying that the gays deserve it, but that’s not right.  For one thing, not everybody there was gay.  And secondly, they didn’t deserve it because they were gay, all Americans deserve it for being stupid and PC.

[Only_]

8 hours ago, Use your brain said:

If he wouldn't have had access to the firearms, then he could have just used explosives.

Not in this case. His explosive vest failed to detonate, which proves you wrong.

What made such a carnage is the assault rifle. It took 11 law enforcement officers to bring him down.

Edited June 13, 2016 by TruthSeeker_

[glorybebe]

I just can't understand the hate that could result in this tragedy.  These people being gay had no affect on this guy's life.  I am just flabbergasted that someone could do this.  

[HandsomeGorilla]

Shoulda toted that LC9 in the banana hammock, eh? 

Terrible, terrible stuff. Why hasn't the idea of "hate crime" come up yet, unless I'm missing something? 

Very sorry for the families. All my hopes and wishes out to their loved ones. 

[pallidin]

51 minutes ago, TruthSeeker_ said:

Not in this case. His explosive vest failed to detonate, which proves you wrong.

What made such a carnage is the assault rifle. It took 11 law enforcement officers to bring him down.

What explosive vest? Please cite source if I am wrong.

"It took 11 law enforcement officers to take him down" Standard SWAT assault. So what?

 

[Only_]

37 minutes ago, pallidin said:

What explosive vest? Please cite source if I am wrong.

''A source briefed on matter told The Post that Mateen utilized ISIS-like tactics, automatic weapons, and an explosive vest, though it was inoperable.''

Source: http://nypost.com/2016/06/12/suspected-gunman-in-florida-gay-club-mass-shooting-idd/

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"It took 11 law enforcement officers to take him down" Standard SWAT assault. So what?

The gun he used is engineered for carnage. No wonder the uniformed police officer hired by the club didn't stand a chance.

Edited June 13, 2016 by TruthSeeker_

[pallidin]

Huh. OK. I thought the explosive vest was discounted. Maybe not.

[Golden Duck]

7 hours ago, hellwyr said:

... As far as indoctrination goes the bible is the same. Anyway the point is that the interpretation of those books is up to the reader or preacher. And the bible as well as the koran can be interpreted very literally which would inevitably result in mass murder. ...

The New Testament advocates adhering to secular law

[Uncle Sam]

Somebody please tell me why the Leftist Media keeps trying to push this as a Gun Control issue and try deflect all questioning from the real core issue? I find it very said there is always some agenda in the media or politics when it comes to these tragedies, yet I saw this coming from a miles away. It isn't very hard to see where this is going when you keep tabs on all the incidents that happen in the United States, they all follow the same damn pattern and we always end up having the same arguments on these forums.

Edited June 13, 2016 by Uncle Sam

[Only_]

8 minutes ago, Uncle Sam said:

Somebody please tell me why the Leftist Media keeps trying to push this as a Gun Control issue and try deflect all questioning from the real core issue? I find it very said there is always some agenda in the media or politics when it comes to these tragedies, yet I saw this coming from a miles away. It isn't very hard to see where this is going when you keep tabs on all the incidents that happen in the United States, they all follow the same damn pattern and we always end up having the same arguments on these forums.

What is the real core issue?

[Michelle]

2 hours ago, TruthSeeker_ said:

Not in this case. His explosive vest failed to detonate, which proves you wrong.

What made such a carnage is the assault rifle. It took 11 law enforcement officers to bring him down.

 

3 minutes ago, TruthSeeker_ said:

What is the real core issue?

He worked for a security firm and had a special gun permit, because he had no record. Rarely are crimes like this committed with legal guns.

People with mental health issues don't normally admit they have a problem and are often off the radar. They will use whatever they can get their hands on when they want to kill. Short of wrapping people in kevlar there isn't much that can be done.

[Black Red Devil]

4 hours ago, and then said:

I did not read Jack Skellington's comment to be about partisanship at all.  He was merely pointing to the similarity in the kinds of mental gymnastics all Liberal/Progressive types engage in when their beliefs are outed as pure rubbish.  He was responding to Leonardo,  who was in effect parsing and twisting the facts in a very precisely legal way - to bring doubt on the role of Islamic ideology.

Really?!  So progressiveness is outed as pure rubbish in your little mind while the gun wielding, conservative, hateful racist rednecks who are allowing massacres like this to happen because of their gun lobby influence over politicians are what?  Then again, the fascist Republican Party is well represented in their thoughts by a true and proud Christian disciple in the Lt Gov of Texas (Dan Patrick) who thought the massacre was an act of God reaping his vengeance over the Gay and Lesbian community for mocking him. 

 

[Black Red Devil]

1 minute ago, Michelle said:

 

He worked for a security firm and had a special gun permit, because he had no record. Rarely are crimes like this committed with legal guns.

People with mental health issues don't normally admit they have a problem and are often off the radar. They will use whatever they can get their hands on when they want to kill. Short of wrapping people in kevlar there isn't much that can be done.

Say again?