Mass-casualty shooting at Orlando nightclub

[FLOMBIE]

1 minute ago, aztek said:

lol, it getting boring with you, first you make stupid claims, than you link as a proof articles that do not prove anything you said. 

you linked list of all attacks on homosexuals, yet no where it even implies attack where for reason of Christian religion.

 

Well, it doesn't say anything about the motives. 

[Thanato]

Just now, aztek said:

lol, it getting boring with you, first you make stupid claims, than you link as a proof articles that do not prove anything you said. 

you linked list of all attacks on homosexuals, yet no where it even implies attack where for reason of Christian religion.

 

Sigh, Aztec sometimes talking to you is like talking to wall.

Have Christians killed LGBT people in the name of 'God' and their religion? Yes. 

Have other people killed LGBT people for a number of reasons? Yes. 

Was this an Islamic Terrorist attack? No. Was this a terrible homophobic hate crime? Yes, like the majority of attacks against the LGBT. This was a target attack against the LGBT Community.

[.ZZ.]

A Christian didn't commit these murders.

I'm sick and tired of reading apologies for this Islamic terrorist. This is not the time for comparisons.

[aztek]

1 minute ago, FLOMBIE said:

Well, it doesn't say anything about the motives. 

no sht, they do not.  and you were supposed to prove your claim  of fundamentalist Christians killing LGBT people. from post 512.

 

[FLOMBIE]

2 minutes ago, aztek said:

no sht, they do not.  and you were supposed to prove your claim  of fundamentalist Christians killing LGBT people. from post 512.

 

Huh? I didn't claim that. 

Edit: It's neither proof nor counterevidence. 

Edited June 13, 2016 by FLOMBIE

[Leonardo]

54 minutes ago, OverSword said:

My personal theory about this incident is that the guy was an extremely closeted homosexual that hated himself for these feelings.  ISIS and Islam was just a convenient excuse for this maniac to take his self hatred out on the world.

I posited that theory very early on, OS, and was shot down in flames for daring to suggest that something other than Islamic hatred of America (or gays) was his ultimate motivation.

[aztek]

6 minutes ago, FLOMBIE said:

Huh? I didn't claim that. 

\ Edit: It's neither proof nor counterevidence.

lol, oops, thanto claimed it, not you, my bad. 

you right it is nothing. it defiantly does not prove the claim.

Edited June 13, 2016 by aztek

[questionmark]

1 minute ago, Leonardo said:

I posited that theory very early on, OS, and was shot down in flames for daring to suggest that something other than Islamic hatred of America (or gays) was his ultimate motivation.

Well, it is demonstrated that suppressed homosexuals are among the most dangerous people on the planet. So, I wonder what the agenda was...

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6 minutes ago, Leonardo said:

I posited that theory very early on, OS, and was shot down in flames for daring to suggest that something other than Islamic hatred of America (or gays) was his ultimate motivation.

I thought the same... but I didn't dare to write it  

[aztek]

yea, "geniuses" think alike. there is absolutely no evidence whatsoever he was a closet homo, yet some bright minds have that theory, lol. 

[bubblykiss]

7 minutes ago, questionmark said:

Well, it is demonstrated that suppressed homosexuals are among the most dangerous people on the planet. So, I wonder what the agenda was...

I agree, he should have done the honorable thing and eaten a bullet rather than broadcasting death onto innocents.

I can only prey that the hell he is currently in will be able to fully punish the rat b****** for all of time.

[Leonardo]

17 minutes ago, aztek said:

yea, "geniuses" think alike. there is absolutely no evidence whatsoever he was a closet homo, yet some bright minds have that theory, lol. 

There are signs the theory holds merit. The repressive environment (as a young man in Islam he was expected to grow up hetero, have a wife and kids, etc), his abusive behaviour towards his first spouse (I haven't heard if he was abusive towards his second), his father reporting how he went ballistic when he saw two men kissing, that he deliberately chose a high-profile "gay" target (by that, I mean high profile among the gay community - not high-profile in the comprehensive sense.)

While not conclusive, these are signs that he perhaps had underlying issues with his own sexuality.

Edited June 13, 2016 by Leonardo

[+and-then]

1 hour ago, Mystic Crusader said:

I hope this is some type of demented joke^.

Nope.  Deadly serious about freedom.  Live your life on your knees if you want.  I'd MUCH rather die on my feet.  Ignoring tyranny is the best way of bringing it to bear.  Only fools trust government completely.

[GoldenWolf]

13 minutes ago, and then said:

Nope.  Deadly serious about freedom.  Live your life on your knees if you want.  I'd MUCH rather die on my feet.  Ignoring tyranny is the best way of bringing it to bear.  Only fools trust government completely.

A million people.... I don't think anyone would ever vote you into a public office.

[+OverSword]

His hostility towards a bunch of people that had done nothing to him leads me to wonder what is the motivation?  My theory is he was deeply closeted and guilty feeling homosexual with huge amounts of anger resulting from his suppression.  In targeting those people he was essentially targeting himself as he knew he would be killed.  And sure there is no proof but this guy isn't some Jihadist.  He's a nut. 

[RavenHawk]

5 minutes ago, Jack Skellington said:

Then your either dense or deliberately obtuse. 

I've made several suggestions of things that could or should be done-- not to restrict any 2nd amendment rights of "law abiding" citizens, but as a means to review and restrict those who may have criminal intent.  

And how do you not restrict *ANY* Amendment Rights of “law abiding” citizens when what you suggest is subjective?  How many Mudds are out there?  How many of us, at least occasionally view Islamic terrorist sites?  Does that make anyone a terrorist?  The only solution to the domestic non-Islamic terrorism is a fully armed and trained populace with heavy emphasis on person responsibility.  That definitely will lead to a bloody initial period but that is the price we would need to pay for becoming lax in personal responsibility.  But once we have stabilized, then the Islamic terrorism wouldn’t stand a chance.

Your solution?  Oh-- you mentioned it.... Dig more graves  

No, the status quo will bring more graves as we become more lax.

 

[RavenHawk]

You noticed that Obama said that this was an act of terrorism and an act of hate.  Now that the Left has been hammering the hate angle and ignoring terrorism, how long do you suppose it’ll be before terrorism is completely dropped?  Then they’re be more pleas for tighter gun control, which we all know does not work.  All it does is disarm the law abiding populace.

[FLOMBIE]

1 minute ago, RavenHawk said:

You noticed that Obama said that this was an act of terrorism and an act of hate.  Now that the Left has been hammering the hate angle and ignoring terrorism, how long do you suppose it’ll be before terrorism is completely dropped?  Then they’re be more pleas for tighter gun control, which we all know does not work.  All it does is disarm the law abiding populace.

 

Of course it is terrorism. People are just wondering what kind of terrorism. 

[ellapenella]

On 6/13/2016 at 3:36 PM, and then said:

Nope.  Deadly serious about freedom.  Live your life on your knees if you want.  I'd MUCH rather die on my feet.  Ignoring tyranny is the best way of bringing it to bear.  Only fools trust government completely.

The agitators, the social just warriors who don't have a clue to what's really going on are weak people, what would they do without nanny state taking care of them?

 

[DingoLingo]

4 minutes ago, RavenHawk said:

  Then they’re be more pleas for tighter gun control, which we all know does not work.  All it does is disarm the law abiding populace.

 

Will quietly disagree with that statement, as I do everytime someone says it

[Only_]

13 minutes ago, RavenHawk said:

You noticed that Obama said that this was an act of terrorism and an act of hate.  Now that the Left has been hammering the hate angle and ignoring terrorism, how long do you suppose it’ll be before terrorism is completely dropped?  Then they’re be more pleas for tighter gun control, which we all know does not work.  All it does is disarm the law abiding populace.

 

You must understand that this is a different kind of terrorism than 9/11. This isn't an organization meticulously plotting and operating on U.S. soil. Mateen probably had very loose ties with jihadists on the internet, he's basically a lone-wolf that took it upon himself to murder homosexuals while ''pledging allegance'' to ISIS to give his cause a higher purpose. It's just convenient for ISIS to claim responsability.

Edited June 13, 2016 by TruthSeeker_

[RavenHawk]

1 minute ago, TruthSeeker_ said:

You must understand that this is a different kind of terrorism than 9/11. This isn't an organization plotting and operating on U.S. soil. Mateen probably had very loose ties with terroririst groups, he's a lone-wolf that took it upon himself to murder homosexuals and pledge allegance to ISIS to give his cause a higher purpose.

Then you do not understand the threat.  It is the most organized operation in history.  It is the same as it was from 9/11 as it was the same from the late 18^th Century as it has been the same in the past 1400 years.  It is call Hijrah.  He is not so much a lone-wolf as an independent free agent following the same doctrine that Mohammed had set down.  To fight in the way of Allah is the higher purpose.

[ellapenella]

This man Tim Kennedy is involved with  anti terrorism. In this video he talks  a bit about more targets. He warns in this video that it's about to get worse.

 

[aztek]

pff, alex jones, expect it to be disregarded, no matter what it shows

[Only_]

17 minutes ago, RavenHawk said:

Then you do not understand the threat.  It is the most organized operation in history.  It is the same as it was from 9/11 as it was the same from the late 18^th Century as it has been the same in the past 1400 years.  It is call Hijrah.  He is not so much a lone-wolf as an independent free agent following the same doctrine that Mohammed had set down.  To fight in the way of Allah is the higher purpose.

OK. What about the wacko who attacked New York Corps with an axe claiming to be ISIS? Is that your idea of a ''most organized operation in history''? It's just a victim of his own delusion who happened to watch too much pro-ISIS materials on the interwebz. The only reason a guy like Mateen could do so much damage in so little time is because of the military-grade weapon he could easily lay his hands on.

Same thing with the crazy shooter at Sandy Hook elementary school. Or the psychotic in that Aurora movie theater.

Edited June 13, 2016 by TruthSeeker_