Mass-casualty shooting at Orlando nightclub

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48 minutes ago, TruthSeeker_ said:

Right. He ''pledged his loyalty'' to ISIS on a phone call to 911.

All I'm saying is that this isn't typical terrorism. It's not an organization planning and excuting attacks on U.S. soil. These are looney tunes and hateful people who are finding a higher purpose or cause in the religious propaganda published by jhiadists on the interwebz.

I agree that it doesn't yet seem he is tied to some planner or funding source, yet.  Possibly he is a true lone wolf type.  If he is then he just set the gold standard for others to emulate.  Ultimately he is a terrorist by definition and he claimed that organization as his cause.

[FLOMBIE]

5 minutes ago, Michelle said:

Having a business in the ghetto I could lay my hands on one in less than thirty minutes, along with any drug you could ask for. After all of these years, you get to know the people who live in the neighborhood and they aren't shy about what they can supply you with.

And that is very different over here, or in any western country with stricter gun control. You also have to keep in mind that most illegal guns in the US come frome legal sources. 

[Michelle]

4 minutes ago, FLOMBIE said:

And that is very different over here, or in any western country with stricter gun control. You also have to keep in mind that most illegal guns in the US come frome legal sources. 

No comment on the article from Australia that says there are more guns now since the gun ban?

[FLOMBIE]

Just now, Michelle said:

No comment on the article from Australia that says there are more guns now since the gun ban?

I have not done any research on the topic concerning Australia, so I cannot really say anything. I haven't read it yet either.

I can only talk about Europe, and the most about Germany, where I have actual professional experience in this field of research. 

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2 minutes ago, Michelle said:

No comment on the article from Australia that says there are more guns now since the gun ban?

Awkward....  

[Thorvir]

10 hours ago, aztek said:

yes, that is the idea of the left.  you are potential murderer, that is what they see you as.

they could not care less if you able to protect yourself, you are more useful to them dead, to promote their agenda. than survive and show them they are wrong

Well, if I'm dead, they can use me to vote for them.  /rimshot

[FLOMBIE]

1 minute ago, and then said:

Awkward....  

I'm just not into comfirmation bias and uneducated remarks. We can talk about Europe and Germany, though. 

[Michelle]

1 minute ago, FLOMBIE said:

I have not done any research on the topic concerning Australia, so I cannot really say anything. I haven't read it yet either.

I can only talk about Europe, and the most about Germany, where I have actual professional experience in this field of research. 

That is why I specifically chose an article from an Australian news source. I didn't want anyone to claim ignorance of the situation by the author.

[Thorvir]

10 hours ago, hellwyr said:

the rights agenda: use any misery to push their agenda and try to blame the left. Though history hs proven time over time that the right are the most violent

An inaccurate lie, if you're going to quote history you should probably not be completely ignorant of it.  As Bama posted:

Lenin, Stalin, Mao, Pol ring any bells with you? 

Add Hitler to that list as well.  Humans in general are violent, but the leftists seem to be the worse throughout history.

[FLOMBIE]

Just now, Michelle said:

That is why I specifically chose an article from an Australian news source. I didn't want anyone to claim ignorance of the situation by the author.

So here we have an article claiming it's a huge success. What now? 

I have cross read the article you provided. It does mention that the gun conrol works. It is more about not having defeated the problem. The only ones really complaining about the laws seem to be the gun unions. Go figure. 

[Thanato]

I know its Gawker however it does make sense.

 

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“It’s the same guy,” Chris Callen, who performs under the name Kristina McLaughlin, told the Canadian Press. “He’s been going to this bar for at least three years.”

 

Ty Smith, who also goes by the name Aries, also said he’d seen Mateen being escorted drunk from the club, Pulse, on multiple occasions.

“(He’d get) really, really drunk... He couldn’t drink when he was at home—around his wife, or family. His father was really strict... He used to b**** about it,” Smith told the Canadian Press.

http://gawker.com/orlando-shooter-was-reportedly-a-regular-at-pulse-and-h-1781920316

[Michelle]

3 minutes ago, FLOMBIE said:

So here we have an article claiming it's a huge success. What now? 

I have cross read the article you provided. It does mention that the gun conrol works. It is more about not having defeated the problem. The only ones really complaining about the laws seem to be the gun unions. Go figure. 

The article looks like more of a plug for Democrats aka Hillary Clinton.

[FLOMBIE]

Just now, Michelle said:

The article looks like more of a plug for Democrats aka Hillary Clinton.

Just look at the data. 

What about my assessment of your article?

[Thorvir]

6 hours ago, ZZ430 said:

A Christian didn't commit these murders.

I'm sick and tired of reading apologies for this Islamic terrorist. This is not the time for comparisons.

I agree.  It's time for sudden and terrible retribution, and it's time to end this threat to civilization once and for all.

[FLOMBIE]

2 minutes ago, Michelle said:

The article looks like more of a plug for Democrats aka Hillary Clinton.

Or read this one.

[Thorvir]

4 hours ago, DingoLingo said:

Will quietly disagree with that statement, as I do everytime someone says it

And you're wrong every time.  But that's your right to be.

[pallidin]

5 minutes ago, Thorvir Hrothgaard said:

I agree.  It's time for sudden and terrible retribution, and it's time to end this threat to civilization once and for all.

You know, I wonder what might be a set of workable, realistic interventions to get rid of this type scum.

Edited June 14, 2016 by pallidin

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I can't believe I finally caught up to this thread 

Flombie...you said yourself that you could legally purchase a gun in Germany. The US has a population of about 350 million. Of them, and I'm just guessing, at least 100 million are probably legal gun owners. They do not run around randomly shooting people. The problem isn't with them. It's with people who do not obtain them for proper usage. Or people who buy them illegally and use them to commit crimes. I just want to say that what happened yesterday just isn't what the average gun owner over here does. That's what upsets me about politicians who want to take that right away.

[Michelle]

5 minutes ago, FLOMBIE said:

Or read this one.

Killings by guns have also decreased in the US without more gun controls.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2015/12/03/weve-had-a-massive-decline-in-gun-violence-in-the-united-states-heres-why/

[Thanato]

So if it turns out he was a regular at the club and had a profile on a gay dating app, including conversing with someone for over a year... can we stop calling this Islamic terrorism?

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1 minute ago, Thanato said:

So if it turns out he was a regular at the club and had a profile on a gay dating app, including conversing with someone for over a year... can we stop calling this Islamic terrorism?

And if it turns out this is not correct, can we take him for his word in the 911 call and his words at work?

[seeder]

3 minutes ago, Thanato said:

So if it turns out he was a regular at the club and had a profile on a gay dating app, including conversing with someone for over a year... can we stop calling this Islamic terrorism?

 

sure, but then why.....did he call the cops to make the isis connection?

[Thorvir]

1 hour ago, and then said:

Not just MY freedom.  The freedom of an entire nation.  I realize we are never going to agree on this point.  The perspectives are just too far apart.  I respect that and I'd just appreciate the same from our cousins across the pond.

Yeah, wouldn't be nice if they showed us the same tolerance we show them, for once?
 

1 hour ago, shadowhive said:

I don't lack conviction, it's just I don'tunderstand why owning a firearm is something worth of it. Certainly not a firearm that's military grade which is what this guy had. I mean he gunned down a room, killing and injuring over 100 people with a weapon he obtained legally. Where's the conviction for them? The conviction for their freedom to live without being murdered?

 

When you talk about every man woman and child, when and then talks about a million lives, I see people that don't value freedom. I see people that don't value human life. I see people that value weapons. I see people that would become as dangerous as this shooter was if someone threatened tot ake their precious guns away. That's what I see.

Because having the right to defend one's life should be extremely easy to understand.

And the shooter didn't have a "military grade" firearm.  Do some research before knee-jerk claims.

But keep pretending this is about guns, keep blaming inanimate objects.  It's as stupid of a thing as I've ever read here and anywhere else.  The murderer was a monster, he killed out of hatred and in the name of a death cult. That's that.

[Thorvir]

59 minutes ago, Mystic Crusader said:

I've noticed, a lot of people who own firearms where I live, are also the type who own and breed pit bulls to be as malicious as possible.  The only logical thing I can come up with is it makes them feel powerful.  Primitiveness.

I own firearms.  I don't breed pit bulls.  I own cats.  And I don't make them as malicious as possible.  So you're idiotic blanket statement is as intolerant and uninformed as they come here.  If what you say about where you live is true, then you should move out to a different place.  Try a foreign country where you don't have the right to defend yourself.  I'm sure it'll be a paradise for you.

[seeder]

3 minutes ago, seeder said:

 

sure, but then why.....did he call the cops to make the isis connection?

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During the standoff, Mateen began calling police, conversations that included an “allegiance to the Islamic State,” the chief said. “I would say he was cool and calm when he was making those phone calls to us,” Mina said.

Read more here: http://www.miamiherald.com/news/state/florida/article83414767.html#storylink=cpy