Mass-casualty shooting at Orlando nightclub

[Thorvir]

1 minute ago, F3SS said:

Yea he goes by the name barrack Hussein Obama. That was the sum of his address on the matter.

I intentionally made sure I didn't read or hear what he had to say.

[+susieice]

3 minutes ago, hellwyr said:

well if all muslims get judged by one person, I guess all other should be judged in the same way, why not kill all of humanity. problem solved.

 

 

More paranoia

[questionmark]

Just now, susieice said:

That's paranoia. No one is suggesting you take away the rights of Muslims. But when someone is telling everyone or threatening people about Islamic extremism, that person needs to be dealt with. Hopefully before something like this happens.

Telling everybody is how somebody got the idea. That is the point you are ignoring there. As I said, you can do whatever you want, as long as you can recite the Muslim creed you can say you did it for ISIS.

 

[Jack Skellington]

3 minutes ago, Thorvir Hrothgaard said:

The problem isn't our right to bear arms.  The problem is the criminally insane that kills out of hatred in the name of a violent faith.  Don't mix the two up, don't make this about guns,  It has NOTHING to do about guns.
I figured someone would come in and use this tragedy to make a political outburst....

It's so simple and such common sense.... No wonder Obama can't get his head around it.

Attend a mosque?  Make violent threats? No guns for you.

Take psyche drugs?  No guns for you.

Criminal record?  No guns for you.

 

 

 

[Yamato]

1 minute ago, Jack Skellington said:

a religion that advocates death to America while enjoying all the benefits of living in America.  If you think otherwise... move.

If you seriously can't tell the difference between ISIS and Islam, keep studying.   The day another Christian nutjob does something in the name of religion, you'll be made to feel so sadly wrong trying to blame that violence on me.

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You don't have the right to threaten me or my way of life.  

So long as you're not threatening me or mine.

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3 minutes ago, susieice said:

That's paranoia. No one is suggesting you take away the rights of Muslims. But when someone is telling everyone or threatening people about Islamic extremism, that person

There were a lot of mass-shootings: like the one in the theater. And after every such incident, people shout why didn't anyone notice, there were clear signs....Afterwards you can always say people should have known.

Edited June 12, 2016 by hellwyr

[Thanato]

2 minutes ago, Thorvir Hrothgaard said:

So it's all our fault that ISIS kills in the name of their faith?  /facepalm

Sigh. No, however it is our fault that they are seen as a global power. With the ability to launch attacks anywhere. Unless evidence comes forward otherwise, this was an attack by a lone wolf. Blaming DAESH for this makes it seem that this was a massive organized attack with material aid coming from the Middle East, when most likely it was just a lone wolf who was inspired via the internet to carry out an attack in the name of DAESH. 

[+susieice]

Just now, questionmark said:

Telling everybody is how somebody got the idea. That is the point you are ignoring there. As I said, you can do whatever you want, as long as you can recite the Muslim creed you can say you did it for ISIS.

 

I give up. He did what he did for the reasons he said. You can hide from that or you can accept it for what it is.

 

[GlitterRose]

5 minutes ago, Lilly said:

This is a World Wide Problem IMO. It's also a problem for all the innocent Muslims who live in absolute terror from ISIS.

 

Yes, and alienating them is probably not our best approach.

[+susieice]

1 minute ago, hellwyr said:

There were a lot of mass-shootings: like the one in the theater. And after every such incident, people shout why didn't anyone notice, there were clear signs....Afterwards you can always say people should have known.

No one acts. That's why these things will keep happening everywhere. No one wants to face the obvious. 

[GlitterRose]

11 minutes ago, Jack Skellington said:

When you are making threats-- at work, as in the case of the county-employed government worker turned ISIS shooter or in the case of this puke wanna-be-cop security guard-- Take THEIR guns away.  Take THEIR 'rights' away.  Watch THEM!

This isn't an American problem.  This is an ISLAMIC problem.

 

PERIOD

Our Constitution does not allow for making laws that only apply to people of one particular religion. If we want to impose laws against US citizens, they have to apply to all of us. If you don't like that...move.

[questionmark]

Just now, susieice said:

I give up. He did what he did for the reasons he said. You can hide from that or you can accept it for what it is.

 

I know what it is: a disorganized thing where anybody can claim membership, no cards to sign, no dues to pay. Anybody can claim ISIS membership. Anybody. And justify whatever he/she did with it.

 

[F3SS]

4 minutes ago, Thorvir Hrothgaard said:

I intentionally made sure I didn't read or hear what he had to say.

Like you couldn't have guessed.

[Yamato]

1 minute ago, Jack Skellington said:

It's so simple and such common sense.... No wonder Obama can't get his head around it.

Attend a mosque?  Make violent threats? No guns for you.

Take psyche drugs?  No guns for you.

Criminal record?  No guns for you.

So you're a gun controller then.   Let Florida handle it.   Even making the inference that it's Obama's job....good God man.  The 2nd isn't going to die here in the street too.

The US Army is taking psyche drugs.  *slap*

[Lilly]

Just now, ChaosRose said:

Yes, and alienating them is probably not our best approach.

Exactly, all the good decent Muslims need to cry out in anger and disgust (and many are). This is Good vs Evil folks. Time for us (good people of all faiths) to stand up to the monster that is ISIS.

[Jack Skellington]

4 minutes ago, Yamato said:

If you seriously can't tell the difference between ISIS and Islam, keep studying.   The day another Christian nutjob does something in the name of religion, you'll be made to feel so sadly wrong trying to blame that violence on me.

 

Yawn.

SNIP I'm differentiating.  I'm specifying ISIS-adherents.  Clear enough for you?

 

 

Edited June 12, 2016 by Lilly
No name calling

[+susieice]

2 minutes ago, Thanato said:

Sigh. No, however it is our fault that they are seen as a global power. With the ability to launch attacks anywhere. Unless evidence comes forward otherwise, this was an attack by a lone wolf. Blaming DAESH for this makes it seem that this was a massive organized attack with material aid coming from the Middle East, when most likely it was just a lone wolf who was inspired via the internet to carry out an attack in the name of DAESH. 

It doesn't matter if there are a million lone wolves. The ideology is what's to blame here.

[Thorvir]

1 minute ago, Thanato said:

Sigh. No, however it is our fault that they are seen as a global power. With the ability to launch attacks anywhere. Unless evidence comes forward otherwise, this was an attack by a lone wolf. Blaming DAESH for this makes it seem that this was a massive organized attack with material aid coming from the Middle East, when most likely it was just a lone wolf who was inspired via the internet to carry out an attack in the name of DAESH. 

It doesn't matter who did it, he did it in the name of something, and that something welcomed him to do it.  It doesn't take materials to support vile acts.

And I just don't blame ISIS for it, I blame all of radical, violent islam.  If it's not ISIS, it's Al Qaeda, if it's not them, it's the PLO, it'll go on and on and on until someone decides to put a final stop to it.

[GlitterRose]

Just now, Jack Skellington said:

Yawn.

Yes retard.  I'm differentiating.  I'm specifying ISIS-adherents.  Clear enough for you?

 

 

No...you said...attend a Mosque...no guns for you.

[GoldenWolf]

3 minutes ago, Jack Skellington said:

It's so simple and such common sense.... No wonder Obama can't get his head around it.

Attend a mosque?  Make violent threats? No guns for you.

Take psyche drugs?  No guns for you.

Criminal record?  No guns for you.

 

 

 

How about any religion that advocates murder, no guns for you?

[Thanato]

Just now, susieice said:

It doesn't matter if there are a million lone wolves. The ideology is what's to blame here.

Yes it is, now how would you suggest eliminating the Ideology?

[+susieice]

1 minute ago, questionmark said:

I know what it is: a disorganized thing where anybody can claim membership, no cards to sign, no dues to pay. Anybody can claim ISIS membership. Anybody. And justify whatever he/she did with it.

 

He didn't claim membership. He claimed agreement in ideology. You don't have to fly to Iraq to sign membership papers.

[Lilly]

1 minute ago, susieice said:

It doesn't matter if there are a million lone wolves. The ideology is what's to blame here.

ISIS has an EVIL ideology.

[Jack Skellington]

When we retreat there, they advance here.

Our President is feckless and weak.  It empowers our enemies.

[+susieice]

3 minutes ago, ChaosRose said:

Our Constitution does not allow for making laws that only apply to people of one particular religion. If we want to impose laws against US citizens, they have to apply to all of us. If you don't like that...move.

I believe the law against shooting people like that does apply to all of us.