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Isn't this an old idea with a new twist?  The Romans did it.  The couldn't hold Britain.  Charlemagne did it.  He couldn't bring Britain into the fold at all.  The Austrian Empire did the southeastern portion.  Hitler tried it.  The big difference this time is a committee of almost equals versus a single country and a powerful dictator.

A lot of people think the Roman Empire was all that and a bag of chips, citizens could go anywhere within the empire, and they had some rights.  There was still corruption and limits to everyone's rights.  Plus citizens and slaves were not equal.

Maybe this time it will be better, although it still seems difficult to reconcile different cultures and national goals and character.  I wish them luck.

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23 minutes ago, keithisco said:

As always - pro EU folk ignore what is actually the truth.

ONLY THE COMMISSION (UNELECTED) CAN PROPOSE NEW LEGISLATION).

Yes this has got to get Parliamentary approval - but the EU Parliament cannot propose Legislation

Maybe they should try it our way:  Anybody with enough money can buy enough legislators to pass just about any law.  Hows that working out for us?

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2 minutes ago, Tatetopa said:

Maybe they should try it our way:  Anybody with enough money can buy enough legislators to pass just about any law.  Hows that working out for us?

Not entirely sure whether or not you are from the US of A., but much of what you say has truth in it - lobbyists have too much influence and should be totally excluded from contacting Parliamentarians 

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keithisco, countries that leave EU are quite naturally excluded from EU Parliament so you do not get to meddle into the way it's elected or the way it functions. 

Speaking of lobbying, it would be interesting to know why exactly UK representatives were uninterested in taking part in EU Parliament work. 

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22 minutes ago, Tatetopa said:

Isn't this an old idea with a new twist?  The Romans did it.  The couldn't hold Britain.  Charlemagne did it.  He couldn't bring Britain into the fold at all.  The Austrian Empire did the southeastern portion.  Hitler tried it.  The big difference this time is a committee of almost equals versus a single country and a powerful dictator.

A lot of people think the Roman Empire was all that and a bag of chips, citizens could go anywhere within the empire, and they had some rights.  There was still corruption and limits to everyone's rights.  Plus citizens and slaves were not equal.

Maybe this time it will be better, although it still seems difficult to reconcile different cultures and national goals and character.  I wish them luck.

What? 

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6 minutes ago, Helen of Annoy said:

keithisco, countries that leave EU are quite naturally excluded from EU Parliament so you do not get to meddle into the way it's elected or the way it functions. 

Speaking of lobbying, it would be interesting to know why exactly UK representatives were uninterested in taking part in EU Parliament work. 

...and of course when the UK leaves the EU we would neither expect or want to be involved with this political construct. No country has ever left the EU under Article 50 and the UK is the first to do so (but there is an argument in the UK to repeal the 1972 Act of Accession so leave in 9 months max).

The question for the EU is just what does it want for the future - France and even Germany have elections in the next year and it is not clear how they will vote. France especially may not return a EU centric result and could follow the UK in an exit.

I see a new Free Trade area evolving with France, UK, Switzerland Austria, Norway, Iceland, Austria, Greenland all involved - no political Union - just trade; which is exactly what the UK signed up to originally.   

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54 minutes ago, keithisco said:

...and of course when the UK leaves the EU we would neither expect or want to be involved with this political construct. No country has ever left the EU under Article 50 and the UK is the first to do so (but there is an argument in the UK to repeal the 1972 Act of Accession so leave in 9 months max).

The question for the EU is just what does it want for the future - France and even Germany have elections in the next year and it is not clear how they will vote. France especially may not return a EU centric result and could follow the UK in an exit.

I see a new Free Trade area evolving with France, UK, Switzerland Austria, Norway, Iceland, Austria, Greenland all involved - no political Union - just trade; which is exactly what the UK signed up to originally.   

True, elections will show how this will develop further. I can see in my crystal ball that if the price of oil goes up again, anti-EU sentiment will grow stronger in Europe. Kidding. I have no crystal ball, anyone can see that. They see it here, they see it there, they see it from across the pond, only you don't see it. Could be the fog, who knows.   

  

And Free Trade would be great, since that's what you want.

Still I don't understand why UK was in the EU for so long time, if you didn't want anything else but free trade. It's impossible your politicians didn't notice EU is more than that.

I'm not sure how easily will your future free trade partners forget that they can expect you to be involved in a project you really do not want to succeed.   

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Poland warns Brussels it will DESTROY the EU if it tries to punish Britain for leaving


POLAND has warned "hysterical" Brussels bigwigs they will sign the death warrant for their own project if they continue to roll out anti-British rhetoric

http://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/685671/EU-referendum-Poland-Angela-Merkel-punishing-Britain-destroy-Brussels-Jaroslaw-Kaczynski

 

 

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3 hours ago, Setton said:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Austrian_Empire

It's your own country's history...

Are you insane too? In his post it looks like he said Austria-Hungary had southeast UK occupied or something. If he thought of South-East Europe, why was that in the fracking post about invaders in the UK? Does he think SE Europe is somehow UK territory? No? Yes? Who cares? 

Why am I wasting my time with you people?  

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12 hours ago, seeder said:

 

Poland has thousands of people working in the UK. They'll try doing almost anything to keep them there, including pretending they didn't notice it's apparently 52% of Brits that don't want Poles in Britain, not the EU. 

Not to mention nationalist fervor that's going on in Poland, thanks to aggressive Russia, that includes anti-EU ideas, because the far right never was known for any particular, functional intelligence.  

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6 minutes ago, Helen of Annoy said:

Poland has thousands of people working in the UK. They'll try doing almost anything to keep them there, including pretending they didn't notice it's apparently 52% of Brits that don't want Poles in Britain, not the EU. 

Not to mention nationalist fervor that's going on in Poland, thanks to aggressive Russia, that includes anti-EU ideas, because the far right never was known for any particular, functional intelligence.  

That's always been the problem with uplifting the masses--when they start to believe it, themselves!  Oh, but wouldn't we be smug and condescending if that 52% had went the other way.

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14 minutes ago, Helen of Annoy said:

Are you insane too? In his post it looks like he said Austria-Hungary had southeast UK occupied or something. If he thought of South-East Europe, why was that in the fracking post about invaders in the UK? Does he think SE Europe is somehow UK territory? No? Yes? Who cares? 

Why am I wasting my time with you people?  

No, it doesn't. He talks about people uniting Europe. "The Romans did it, Charlemagne did it, The Austrian Empire did the south-east portion". The post was not about invaders of Britain. Only one of those mentioned even attempted it...

Oh, and leave off the personal attacks and insults. I might have actually been on your side in this debate if it wasn't for the insulting tone you took.

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26 minutes ago, Setton said:

No, it doesn't. He talks about people uniting Europe. "The Romans did it, Charlemagne did it, The Austrian Empire did the south-east portion". The post was not about invaders of Britain. Only one of those mentioned even attempted it...

Oh, and leave off the personal attacks and insults. I might have actually been on your side in this debate if it wasn't for the insulting tone you took.

It was the damn Romans that confused me. Because Romans did have Britain for quite a while... never mind. 

 

I'm sorry I hurt your fine feelings. I do not intend to respond with servile pleasantness to open insults. So my tone will continue to match the tone of the people who accused me of nazism and whatnot.  

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On ‎04‎/‎07‎/‎2016 at 4:05 PM, Helen of Annoy said:

Poland has thousands of people working in the UK. They'll try doing almost anything to keep them there, including pretending they didn't notice it's apparently 52% of Brits that don't want Poles in Britain, not the EU. 

Not to mention nationalist fervor that's going on in Poland, thanks to aggressive Russia, that includes anti-EU ideas, because the far right never was known for any particular, functional intelligence.  

I think you made an error ref us Brits not wanting the Polish here, we get on with these people , its the rabble who come here and don't speak English and build Mosques  and take advantage of our National Health service that we don't like.

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1 hour ago, spud the mackem said:

I think you made an error ref us Brits not wanting the Polish here, we get on with these people , its the rabble who come here and don't speak English and build Mosques  and take advantage of our National Health service that we don't like.

It was a lot harder for us to get on with you.  :D  Kidding. You're much different than your politicians, in real life. Fortunatelly. 

 

Anyway, the Brexit is now likely and with it an ethnically cleaner Britain.

Truth be uncompromisingly told, I'm not sure if that was an error or according to the plan, but you'll become more ethnically clean in favour of non-Europeans.   

Obviously. I really start to wonder for whom were those resigned guys really working. Or maybe they just didn't think at all about the consequences of their rather radical actions.   

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On 6/28/2016 at 1:21 PM, Farmer77 said:

EUROPEAN political chiefs are to take advantage of Brexit by unveiling their long-held plan to morph the continent’s countries into one GIANT SUPERSTATE, it has emerged yesterday.

http://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/683739/EU-referendum-German-French-European-superstate-Brexit

 

 How do our European members feel about this? 

Frankly Im not surprised, the EU has been on this path since year 2000. Even M.Gorbachev warned the EU is slowly resembling the old USSR. If you look closely the structure has some vague similarities with the old former superstate. The Europol has more power than the old KGB the European parlament resemble the old supreme soviet. Where the kommissars go their own way making rules, directives and enforcing economic policies on other member states with no regard of what people think or wants....because they know better. You dont understand communism once said Nikita Khrushchev to a American journalist. You dont understand the European union say the Kommissars and supporters to the Euro skeptics. The EUSSR also control the mass media (propaganda) ie the crapola of the demographic division, elders are against, youngsters are for the union (in reality is more even). Now they are talking or proposing a European superstate. There is a anti European sentiment growing all along the union, and its not because of the immigrants it has been growing for years. To much bureaucracy anti democratic with totalitarian tendencies, not to mention corruption and tons of money ending in the pocket of the Kommissariat and their minions.

 

Well people no matter what, you are watching the birth of the superstate EUSSR. It will just be more powerful and more dark. 

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