SHaYap Posted July 28, 2016 #51 Share Posted July 28, 2016 ~ ~ Hiya boyos .... ~ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deleted Posted July 28, 2016 Author #52 Share Posted July 28, 2016 (edited) 44 minutes ago, Mangoze said: You choose to say things; but you can't escape administration. You have no choice over your passport, nor the currency you spend. That boundaries are an artificial construct is a moot point. Your world is artificial. This forum is artificial. The money you earn and spend is artificial. You're not patriotic? What is the Welsh dragon? What's wrong with Australia? We don't have a dominantfly-half! That's true. However you decide how much weight you give to it. And as far as I am concerned I don't attach too much importance to these things. (However I love wealth - money ) The red dragon is a symbol for life. The dragon is red because blood flows in its veins. It stands for the joy of living. The red dragon was used to describe the pagan Celtic world by Merrdin, while the white dragon (Absence of blood) was used to describe the Romans and the Germanic world (Above all Anglo-Saxons) Edited July 28, 2016 by hellwyr Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habitat Posted July 28, 2016 #53 Share Posted July 28, 2016 25 minutes ago, third_eye said: ~ ~ Hiya boyos .... ~ An African, an Arab and Pauline Hanson are in the same bar. When the African finishes his beer, he throws his glass in the air, pulls out his pistol, and shoots the glass to pieces. He says, 'In Africa, our glasses are given to us by the Red Cross Aid so we don't need to drink with the same one twice.' The Arab, obviously impressed by this, drinks non-alcohol beer ( cuz he's a Muslim!), throws it into the air, pulls out his AK-47, and shoots the glass to pieces. He says, 'In the Arab World, we have so much sand to make glasses that we don't need to drink with the same one twice either.' Pauline Hanson, cool as a cucumber, picks up her beer, downs it in one gulp, throws the glass into the air, whips out her 45, and shoots the African and the Arab. Catching her glass, setting it on the bar, and calling for a refill, she says, 'In Queensland, we have so many illegal immigrants that we don't have to drink with the same ones twice.' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SHaYap Posted July 28, 2016 #54 Share Posted July 28, 2016 I preferred the one about what she said regarding her being the same as any Aboriginal born at the same time as her ~ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DingoLingo Posted July 29, 2016 #55 Share Posted July 29, 2016 23 hours ago, Mangoze said: More than a few weeks... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nova_Peris#Political_career damn Mangoze.. I missed that one.. they why are that making a big fuss about it on election day.. am sure I heard she was the first female one to get in.. or did she get some flash portfolio or something.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golden Duck Posted July 29, 2016 #56 Share Posted July 29, 2016 31 minutes ago, DingoLingo said: damn Mangoze.. I missed that one.. they why are that making a big fuss about it on election day.. am sure I heard she was the first female one to get in.. or did she get some flash portfolio or something.. I missed the fuss you're talking about. I found this list - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Indigenous_Australian_politicians So Nova Peris is the first indigenous female to be elected to Federal Parliament; but she was part of the "unrepresentative swill". Maybe the fuss is about Linda Burney being the fist to be elected to the "representative swill". 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Hammerclaw Posted July 29, 2016 #57 Share Posted July 29, 2016 17 hours ago, hellwyr said: Patriotism First off, I don't need your pity and I do not feel sad. I chose consciously the way of life I am leading. I do not want to tie my identity to an abstract construct like a nation. I feel comfortable being a human and that is also how I like to view others. People may call themselves whatever they want, but in the end they are no different and they are just humans. Boundaries and Frontiers are an artificial construct and only serve the purpose to make it possible for some to play their "power-game". Also labeling oneself limits the possibilities a person has in life, since labels always are made up of certain imaginations. Those images can restrict one or they can in some cases help too, but at the end of the day they are in itself a restriction. Furthermore, I don't want to understand why it is necessary to feel proud for something you haven't achieved. People who are patriotic feel proud for the accomplishments of others. While I do understand that you could feel proud for the accomplishments of others (for example in science a new breakthrough which takes humanity a step further), I can not understand why such an accomplishment ought to be more important if it was accomplished by a person from your country. The same goes when something bad happens: people feel shocked if it happens to people in the same country or to a person who maybe has the same values. For me that is hypocrisy; either I think it is bad or not, I don't care whether that person is from my country or not. That being said, if something in your neighborhood happens then that is naturally a different story. I could have chosen to tie myself to a country, but as I said before I do not want to. I want to feel comfortable just being a human on earth, since I have the ability to live wherever I want to on the earth. And I think it is sad to restrict oneself. I understand that there are perks if one decides to be patriotic. For example you might meet like-minded people and have good times with them. However, for me that is not enough. It is not enough if the only connection you have with these people is the fact that you feel proud for the same nation. This is just boring for me. Friendship is something else for me and has nothing to do with patriotism. The possibility to find like-minded friends is so much wider if you open up to the whole world. That being said, since the majority of people in a country identify themselves with the history of their country, certain rules developed over time. These rules can be likeable or not, but most people follow them "blindly". For example how they treat each-other, how they talk and how they behave. For me I like how the US society works (However it also depends on the state I guess). So I feel comfortable there. It might be true that the US also has a lot of issues. But I am optimistic that she will overcome them. (-this is also the reason why I was wondering about Australia's society /rules) Indentity However, people tend to identify with things which feel close to their personal history. So, in the course of my life I did identify myself with witches, pagans, Celtic history. The history of the oppressed and free. Australia Of course I did target Australia. Since these news occurred recently and this thread is solely about Australia. However, I admit I could have chosen a different headline for this thread. These things happened recently, so I think it is a just logical that they get posted now. Wales Nope I wasn't born in Cymru. The Dragon Wales uses in her flag has its root in the Celtic lore. For example Merddin wrote about it and I have it in my signature because of its symbolic meaning. Lots of Celtic dragons and you chose to fly the Welsh one. So, you're a Man of Harlech now, ya doty Welshman, like it or not. Nothing wrong with being proud of who and what you are and if you are Welsh, that's a lot. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Wearer of Hats Posted July 31, 2016 #58 Share Posted July 31, 2016 Conversely, given the oft expressed by teachers opinion that adults are a lost cause ... I present a few tales about how "my" kids (ie the little blighters I teach) and how they've reacted to having a load of refugees dumped into their classes. A whole bunch went home and downloaded "teach yourself French". one went home and had his mum cook up a great big lasagna for all the families so they had something to eat for dinner (this grew to being about half the class worth of parents). three took direct responsibility for teaching them how to play footy, using only hand signals and smiles. during Ramadan, a whole class chose to fast because they said it wasn't fair two kids could eat at lunch and they could. and not a one, NOT BLOODY ONE called them names, not a one got annoyed at thrm not speaking English or wearing the right uniform. There was not one incident. This is is humanity st it's best. Little acts of human kindness born from people who have much to teach us about caring. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrLzs Posted July 31, 2016 #59 Share Posted July 31, 2016 On 7/27/2016 at 10:42 PM, Astra. said: @ You must be very fortunate hellwyr to live in a country that is free of transgression and fault From what I see, he lives in the Teen Wolf Universe, in which none'o'that would ever happen. Although they do, apparently, have "fires, plagues, strife, death and destruction of all kinds”.... btw don't click that link unless you first understand that it is fictional... Having said that I will concede that I'm not particularly enamoured of what is going on in my country (or the world for that matter) right now 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deleted Posted July 31, 2016 Author #60 Share Posted July 31, 2016 (edited) 7 hours ago, ChrLzs said: From what I see, he lives in the Teen Wolf Universe, in which none'o'that would ever happen. Although they do, apparently, have "fires, plagues, strife, death and destruction of all kinds”.... btw don't click that link unless you first understand that it is fictional... Having said that I will concede that I'm not particularly enamoured of what is going on in my country (or the world for that matter) right now the authors of teen wolf use a lot of Celtic symbolism, so does vampire diary with symbolism used by witches and pagans. Edited July 31, 2016 by hellwyr Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astra. Posted August 1, 2016 #61 Share Posted August 1, 2016 On 28/07/2016 at 11:15 PM, hellwyr said: The red dragon is a symbol for life. The dragon is red because blood flows in its veins. It stands for the joy of living. The red dragon was used to describe the pagan Celtic world by Merrdin, while the white dragon (Absence of blood) was used to describe the Romans and the Germanic world (Above all Anglo-Saxons) Ok - so you've educated a few here of what the red dragon symbolises. Yet even in light of this - you are denying that you are Welsh?... Why are you so afraid to admit what country of origin you were born in ? I personally find that rather odd. Are you ashamed to admit that you were 'possibly' born in Wales ?....why not just spill the darn beans and be done with it. Nobody will judge you for it. Least of all me. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astra. Posted August 1, 2016 #62 Share Posted August 1, 2016 22 hours ago, ChrLzs said: Having said that I will concede that I'm not particularly enamoured of what is going on in my country (or the world for that matter) right now Yeah - well that pretty much goes without saying. In one way or another things are a mess everywhere. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habitat Posted August 1, 2016 #63 Share Posted August 1, 2016 I'll tellya something that is definitely wrong with Australia, if you have a listed phone number, you will be assailed by scammers, many who claim to be from the main telcom provider. It would surely be within the power of that telcom to stop it, but they don't. They are obviously raking in a fortune from these calls, and profit comes first ! Of course the govt is similarly inactive on the problem. Ought to be stopped for the nuisance factor alone, but alas it has been going on for years. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrLzs Posted August 1, 2016 #64 Share Posted August 1, 2016 What was the reply you got from the Telecommunications Ombudsman? Coz that's where that should go... Anyway, compared to those other issues, it's just one of those: 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Wearer of Hats Posted August 1, 2016 #65 Share Posted August 1, 2016 1 hour ago, Habitat said: I'll tellya something that is definitely wrong with Australia, if you have a listed phone number, you will be assailed by scammers, many who claim to be from the main telcom provider. It would surely be within the power of that telcom to stop it, but they don't. They are obviously raking in a fortune from these calls, and profit comes first ! Of course the govt is similarly inactive on the problem. Ought to be stopped for the nuisance factor alone, but alas it has been going on for years. We do have a "do not call" register, you have to register every year though. saying "I'm on the do not call register gets them off the line sharpish" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luca-Rose Elsie-Rae mum Posted August 1, 2016 #66 Share Posted August 1, 2016 28 minutes ago, Lord Fedorable said: We do have a "do not call" register, you have to register every year though. saying "I'm on the do not call register gets them off the line sharpish" We've tried to get on the do not call list yet they never put us on there. Our home line is almost always off, because of scammers and call centers. I had a scammer threaten to call police on me for swearing at them lol 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habitat Posted August 1, 2016 #67 Share Posted August 1, 2016 1 hour ago, ChrLzs said: What was the reply you got from the Telecommunications Ombudsman? Coz that's where that should go... Anyway, compared to those other issues, it's just one of those: I think they'd have long disappeared if the ombudsman was a remedy. The scammers per se are not my concern, what concerns me is the govt could not give a b*****, or is actually in cahoots with the telco provider, who sees a big earn in it, despite the fraudulent use of their brand name. Society in decay, imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astra. Posted August 2, 2016 #68 Share Posted August 2, 2016 Any phone number that I don't recognise that comes up on my phone. I simply don't answer it. If they want to leave a voice message they have that option. If they don't leave a voice message....then I 'block' them....as I know they are just annoying telemarketers. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psyche101 Posted August 2, 2016 #69 Share Posted August 2, 2016 On 7/28/2016 at 11:02 AM, DieChecker said: I was reading up on the detention abuses, and thought to myself, "Well, at least Australia isn't perfect.". It is so easy to nation shame other nations when your own country is perfect. It is perfect, well at least Queensland is. What we have here is an AHOLE looking for an excuse to be racist against Australia. I do not know what makes minds like that tick , but it is a crying shame that they exist at all. His headlines are BS blown out of proportion. Rape in the Army? His link goes to a Navy site, apart from flushing people's heads in toilets (High School hijinks) there is a claim that it is "initiation" for Navy Cadets to rape each other. IF that is true, it is a very isolated ritual, I myself went through Army Cadets and never saw anything like it. The girl who suicided had a strange affair with an old man, which resulted in a scholarship to remember what happened to her, and that is how we make sure these things do not happen again. It not only disgusted "Australians" we did our best to make an event of it so it remains in our minds. The abuse of refugees that he is speaking of are incidents outside of Australia, Nauru and Manus Island are not in our Jurisdiction. Nauru is Micronesia, and Manus is PNG. How we can be held responsible for what happens outside our country is beyond me. One instance of kids behaving badly, and two places outside of Australia - and that somehow reflects "Australia's"? I'll grant the affair suicide was pretty awful, but I do not see how that reflects the country, culture, people or politics at all. The Aboriginal children dispute may or may not be valid, the problem there is how long it took for a case to be assessed, and was it invalid? Nobody can tell you, the article states: 'I'm not saying those reasons may not be valid but it doesn't sound right what we're seeing and that gives me great concern.. "I think the service system isn't doing the right thing — the moral thing by our children." And that somehow reflects "Australia's"? Hey let's judge anyway And then he repeats the Northern Territory Detention Scandal. A new one, I saw it unfold on Telly just like the PM MAlcolm Turnbull did. He - the PM - got on the phone right after the program and insisted on beginning the investigation, and remeber, this program airs at night too, it would have been around 10:30PM, but the PM did not waste a second and jumped right on the phone immediately, ALL Australians were sickened and disgusted by the acts of a couple of people in the NT. I am pleased to say they will hang by their toes yet. The entire country was outraged, the PM acted immediately, and that somehow paints Aussies as bad people? I would say we are talking less than 20 bad eggs in 26 million. And not even all from our country, this tosser had to go outside of Australia to make his list, some of which is repeated (the last one) I hear we might be sending them to someplace they will fit in better, perhaps Wales......... That post does not outline what is wrong with Australia, it outlines what is wrong with that poster. Haters gotta hate, and he is the conductor on the hate train is what I am seeing there. If that clown had the guts to visit here as opposed to looking for reasons to hate on the net, he would be stumped. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psyche101 Posted August 2, 2016 #70 Share Posted August 2, 2016 On 7/28/2016 at 10:55 PM, third_eye said: ~ ~ Hiya boyos .... ~ You do realise that Australia relies on a democratic voting system? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astra. Posted August 2, 2016 #71 Share Posted August 2, 2016 19 minutes ago, psyche101 said: It is perfect, well at least Queensland is. What we have here is an AHOLE looking for an excuse to be racist against Australia. I do not know what makes minds like that tick , but it is a crying shame that they exist at all. His headlines are BS blown out of proportion. Rape in the Army? His link goes to a Navy site, apart from flushing people's heads in toilets (High School hijinks) there is a claim that it is "initiation" for Navy Cadets to rape each other. IF that is true, it is a very isolated ritual, I myself went through Army Cadets and never saw anything like it. The girl who suicided had a strange affair with an old man, which resulted in a scholarship to remember what happened to her, and that is how we make sure these things do not happen again. It not only disgusted "Australians" we did our best to make an event of it so it remains in our minds. The abuse of refugees that he is speaking of are incidents outside of Australia, Nauru and Manus Island are not in our Jurisdiction. Nauru is Micronesia, and Manus is PNG. How we can be held responsible for what happens outside our country is beyond me. One instance of kids behaving badly, and two places outside of Australia - and that somehow reflects "Australia's"? I'll grant the affair suicide was pretty awful, but I do not see how that reflects the country, culture, people or politics at all. The Aboriginal children dispute may or may not be valid, the problem there is how long it took for a case to be assessed, and was it invalid? Nobody can tell you, the article states: 'I'm not saying those reasons may not be valid but it doesn't sound right what we're seeing and that gives me great concern.. "I think the service system isn't doing the right thing — the moral thing by our children." And that somehow reflects "Australia's"? Hey let's judge anyway And then he repeats the Northern Territory Detention Scandal. A new one, I saw it unfold on Telly just like the PM MAlcolm Turnbull did. He - the PM - got on the phone right after the program and insisted on beginning the investigation, and remeber, this program airs at night too, it would have been around 10:30PM, but the PM did not waste a second and jumped right on the phone immediately, ALL Australians were sickened and disgusted by the acts of a couple of people in the NT. I am pleased to say they will hang by their toes yet. The entire country was outraged, the PM acted immediately, and that somehow paints Aussies as bad people? I would say we are talking less than 20 bad eggs in 26 million. And not even all from our country, this tosser had to go outside of Australia to make his list, some of which is repeated (the last one) I hear we might be sending them to someplace they will fit in better, perhaps Wales......... That post does not outline what is wrong with Australia, it outlines what is wrong with that poster. Haters gotta hate, and he is the conductor on the hate train is what I am seeing there. If that clown had the guts to visit here as opposed to looking for reasons to hate on the net, he would be stumped. Hey Psyche - spoken like a true patriot I'd been hoping that you would eventually share your opinion in this thread...as some of the other aussies have...and of course our friends from other countries also have. In a nut shell - your post sums things up beautifully and honestly. I would also like to see the 'knockers' from other places come and see for themselves what a truly great land we have here. Sure Australia has its domestic problems.....but nothing that we can't deal with or eventually sort out. Iv'e been to other countries...and have had a wonderful time and have met some great people. But I have always been happy to call Australia home. Which reminds me...... RIP ~ Peter Allen 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Wearer of Hats Posted August 2, 2016 #72 Share Posted August 2, 2016 QUEENSLANDER!! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habitat Posted August 2, 2016 #73 Share Posted August 2, 2016 4 minutes ago, Lord Fedorable said: QUEENSLANDER!! I recall from my schooldays a little ditty that went something like " Queensland born, Queensland bred, long in the legs and thick in the head ". It must surely have been written by a New South Welshman. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Wearer of Hats Posted August 2, 2016 #74 Share Posted August 2, 2016 New South Wales, New South Wales - who runs slower than snails? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astra. Posted August 2, 2016 #75 Share Posted August 2, 2016 24 minutes ago, Habitat said: I recall from my schooldays a little ditty that went something like " Queensland born, Queensland bred, long in the legs and thick in the head ". It must surely have been written by a New South Welshman. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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