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When was America Great?

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Paranormal Panther
10 hours ago, Thorvir Hrothgaard said:

the bottom fell out badly when unjust war was brought to our soil.

Bush started the fire. Obama poured gasoline on it. Clinton will play the fiddle while America burns. It almost seems like a planned and prepared conflagration to make our scorched earth more amenable to globalism.

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Paranormal Panther
9 hours ago, Otto von Pickelhaube said:

Honestly, it's like that feller with the dog, it must be an automatic response that whenever anyone mentions the presidential candidate for the Republican party it sets off this instinctive response with the witty satire. 

That begs the question. What witty satire?

"Trump is mean and rude. He has orange hair to go along with his tiny hands." (one of a zillion such posts)

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Dumbledore the Awesome
7 hours ago, pallidin said:

Trump believes, feels and consumes the idea that individual wealth, at whatever cost to the common citizen or environment, outweighs everything.

 

7 hours ago, pallidin said:

My pet creepy crawler ant would, by far, make a better president than Trump.

 

7 hours ago, pallidin said:

How intelligent does one need to be to realize that Trump is an immature freakazoid?

How mature does one need to be to make a worthwhile contribution to discussions about politics?

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Leonardo
11 hours ago, simplybill said:

Tatetopa- I would be ecstatic if Henry Rowan was running for president. Just the fact that he's not interested in self-promotion is an indication of good character. 

You have to understand, this will be a gut-wrenching decision for me. I'm terrified of what could happen if Mr. Trump is our next president, but I may sink into utter despair for our country's future if Ms. Clinton is elected. I'm not just being hyperbolic; I really am concerned that we're on the brink of disaster. 

I believe we missed the boat by not electing Mitt Romney, and then again with Carly Fiorina. We desperately need someone with business sense to get us out of this financial quagmire we're in. If we continue passing up talented people, we'll go bankrupt

I'm not sure that is something that America by itself can prevent, and I'm fairly certain it's not something that a President with "business sense, but lacking any other kind of sense" can solve.

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simplybill
43 minutes ago, Leonardo said:

I'm not sure that is something that America by itself can prevent, and I'm fairly certain it's not something that a President with "business sense, but lacking any other kind of sense" can solve.

Leo-

My personal worldview tells me that we don't need to 'solve' the problem, because we already know the solution. We desperately need leaders who can convince the American people to do what's necessary to return to solvency. I'm realistic about this: I know that goal can't be accomplished in one 4-year term, or even one generation, however the goal will never be reached unless we begin to do what's necessary.

Our debt problems have come about for the same reason as our border problems: everyone talks about it, but then it always gets passed on to the next group of politicians and the next president.

The fearful hope that I have for Mr. Trump is that his thoroughly un-PC personality may break through the political roadblocks.

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Leonardo
22 minutes ago, simplybill said:

Leo-

My personal worldview tells me that we don't need to 'solve' the problem, because we already know the solution. We desperately need leaders who can convince the American people to do what's necessary to return to solvency. I'm realistic about this: I know that goal can't be accomplished in one 4-year term, or even one generation, however the goal will never be reached unless we begin to do what's necessary.

Our debt problems have come about for the same reason as our border problems: everyone talks about it, but then it always gets passed on to the next group of politicians and the next president.

The fearful hope that I have for Mr. Trump is that his thoroughly un-PC personality may break through the political roadblocks.

I don't think that can happen by changing Presidents. When you say "leaders" I know you are not referring to just one person, but by arguing that Trump is potentially a "better choice" for the Presidency that is what your argument will be perceived as.

And I do not think that characterisation of Trump as "non-PC" is accurate. It's not that he's "non-PC", it's that he is a narcissistic buffoon lacking in empathy that makes him say the things he says. I don't doubt his business cunning, so I'm not suggesting he is without intelligence, but to characterise him as "non-PC" is to grant him a greater level of empathy than I suspect he deserves.

Don't take this as an argument in favour of Clinton, because her faults - though different to Trump's - are no less serious. All I am saying is that pinning one's hopes on Trump because of the appearance he has greater "business sense" is, imo, a false hope.

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pbarosso
14 hours ago, Thanato said:

So you sign a contract that states if you do X you will get $50. Upon completing X the person who commissioned it said that he couldnt pay you $50 but could give you $25. So you reluctantly agree... a little while later their assistant comes up and says here is the $10 promised. You then go to the person who commissioned it and they offer you $5. They then threaten that if you take them to court it will cost you $100 to get the $50 so the $5 is just enough. Is that the kind of person you want leading the United States of America?

you see, its legal but i dont think its moral. as a former manager of 125+ employees i can tell you you have to do stuff you dont like all the time. thats why i am not a manager of anyone except a classroom of kids. I think trump knows that it is immoral and from his convention ideas i believe he has the capacity to crack down on the overarcing issues surrounding corporate america.

 

hillary on the other hand is politically and morally corrupt without hesitation and shows no evidence that she even knows it and zero evidence that she could change it. she lies, believes in the caesarian and alinsky-ish political system of dividing and conquering...stoking fear and victimhood within groups so she can control them.....basically blowing smoke up everyones asses.

the biggest sign that she and the dems are evil is that they receive overwhelming support from the young people demographic, the demo that is most easily swayed out of sheer ignorance and emotional immaturity. i mean, what does some 18 year old know about what is right in a complex system of politics. i have four kids my oldest, 7, already comes home saying "pink isnt a girl color" and "stupid is a bad word" and then proceeds to argue about it. thats how kids can be brainwashed.

 

so trump may know the system in order to make it better while hillary offers ZERO change in an evil, alinsky divisive way.

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GlitterRose

"can anyone explain to me how Trump is even an attractive political leader?"

It must be this...

America Your wages are too high

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pbarosso
9 hours ago, Paranormal Panther said:

Bush started the fire. Obama poured gasoline on it. Clinton will play the fiddle while America burns. It almost seems like a planned and prepared conflagration to make our scorched earth more amenable to globalism.

bush didnt start the fire it goes back much further than that. post WW2 pretty much. then along comes the internet which started allowing the sharing of ideas globally. the arab spring came along because people could now communicate ideas to a large audience they couldnt reach before.

 

but youre right about hillary watching america burn. one wonders if the democrat party is part of some conspiracy to bring america down for either to build it back up in some new way, or cause the rest of the world to turn to CHINA as a new world leader....and behind it all i surmise is CHINA paying the clintons all along.

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GlitterRose

Trump... Wages are too high

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pbarosso
3 minutes ago, ChaosRose said:

"can anyone explain to me how Trump is even an attractive political leader?"

It must be this...

America Your wages are too high

you said "political leader" i like him because he is not political. hell, i think we need a temporary dictator like marcus sulla in the last days of the roman republic. then i belive that we need to make a special island for people who are emotional based thinkers (liberals) because they are dangerous to a stable society. someday i will see this happen and dance in the streets

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GlitterRose
1 minute ago, pbarosso said:

you said "political leader" i like him because he is not political. hell, i think we need a temporary dictator like marcus sulla in the last days of the roman republic. then i belive that we need to make a special island for people who are emotional based thinkers (liberals) because they are dangerous to a stable society. someday i will see this happen and dance in the streets

So you admit he would be a dictator...and you'd still vote for him. 

This is why there is no hope for America. 

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Leonardo
2 minutes ago, pbarosso said:

you said "political leader" i like him because he is not political. hell, i think we need a temporary dictator like marcus sulla in the last days of the roman republic. then i belive that we need to make a special island for people who are emotional based thinkers (liberals) because they are dangerous to a stable society. someday i will see this happen and dance in the streets

Once again irony strikes, and I double up in tears of laughter.

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pbarosso

chaos rose, you too have the opportunity to have a bedroom like that. our system allows it. 

only socialists think that a minimum wage should be "livable" like 14 and hour. that is ridiculous. kids flipping burgers for that much? kids are supposed ot work their way up and struggle a little. 

 

when you take away survival of the fittest and now let everyone survive you get a very retarded civilization, entitlement etc...... id rather the weak die or get working hard to better their lives and take the burden off the rest of us.

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pbarosso
2 minutes ago, Leonardo said:

Once again irony strikes, and I double up in tears of laughter.

there is such a thing as stable society. abortion, free money for births (welfare), godlessness, destruction of family values, do not count as stable society. you dont see this?

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GlitterRose
5 minutes ago, pbarosso said:

chaos rose, you too have the opportunity to have a bedroom like that. our system allows it. 

only socialists think that a minimum wage should be "livable" like 14 and hour. that is ridiculous. kids flipping burgers for that much? kids are supposed ot work their way up and struggle a little. 

 

when you take away survival of the fittest and now let everyone survive you get a very retarded civilization, entitlement etc...... id rather the weak die or get working hard to better their lives and take the burden off the rest of us.

And there it is, folks.

Social Darwinism. 

And who says people aren't working hard? 

Hopefully there are enough people who feel differently than you do. 

Hitler had a plan as well to do away with those he saw as weak. Great moral values, there.

If you haven't noticed, it's no longer kids flipping burgers. A lot of people are trying to support their families flipping burgers because there aren't other opportunities for them. 

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pbarosso
4 minutes ago, ChaosRose said:

So you admit he would be a dictator...and you'd still vote for him. 

This is why there is no hope for America. 

no i never said that. i said i think we need, that is just my opinion. i think i would make a great dictator. Rome was strong when people believed in the idea that was Rome. when the landowner was supreme. when its poor people ranks got too full it became top heavy and unstable.

i would institute landowner voting privileges when only landowners can vote. i would therefore give everyone some land and require them to take care of it. those that fail are transported to alaska to work mines or oilfields as punishment for not being a good citizen....and many other reforms

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GlitterRose
6 minutes ago, pbarosso said:

there is such a thing as stable society. abortion, free money for births (welfare), godlessness, destruction of family values, do not count as stable society. you dont see this?

But the systematic extermination of "the weak" you're fine with.

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GlitterRose
3 minutes ago, pbarosso said:

no i never said that. i said i think we need, that is just my opinion. i think i would make a great dictator. Rome was strong when people believed in the idea that was Rome. when the landowner was supreme. when its poor people ranks got too full it became top heavy and unstable.

i would institute landowner voting privileges when only landowners can vote. i would therefore give everyone some land and require them to take care of it. those that fail are transported to alaska to work mines or oilfields as punishment for not being a good citizen....and many other reforms

Rome fell because it tried to spread its power too far, not because of the poor. 

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pbarosso
2 minutes ago, ChaosRose said:

And there it is, folks.

Social Darwinism. 

And who says people aren't working hard? 

Hopefully there are enough people who feel differently than you do. 

Hitler had a plan as well to do away with those he saw as weak. Great moral values, there.

If you haven't noticed, it's no longer kids flipping burgers. A lot of people are trying to support their families flipping burgers because there aren't other opportunities for them. 

well too bad for them. in france there are so many kids who cant get jobs and need them because of this kind of ****. 

thats because the politicians have brought in so many foreigners that it has saturated the market with laborers. the same has happened here. 

 

social darwinism is GOOD morals. it is completely natural! squirrels, chimpanzees, and every other organism on earth relies on social darwinism. humans have been relying on it since the beginning but in the last 200 years humanity has become sick because of "progress". 

 

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pbarosso
Just now, ChaosRose said:

Rome fell because it tried to spread its power too far, not because of the poor. 

you know nothing. read some books. 

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GlitterRose

This one's a beauty, too...

we need to make a special island for people who are emotional based thinkers (liberals)

Such "American" values. Can you show me in the Constitution where you found that one?

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pbarosso
2 minutes ago, ChaosRose said:

But the systematic extermination of "the weak" you're fine with.

it would not be systematic extermination. it would be "hey americans, you go pick the crops and do other jobs or you wil starve to death" and watch how many people get to work.

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pbarosso

Rome would be an entire other thread. it would take all day to talk about it

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GlitterRose

I have no problem with people doing well. I have a problem with a presidential candidate that has done...so extremely well for himself...while claiming that $7.25 an hour is too much for other people to make. 

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