Brexit

[alibongo]

I have spoken to so many people who voted out, who now regret their vote.

This is what the referendum was about (unofficially):

1) stop Syrian refugees entering the UK

2) stop eastern Europeans stealing our jobs.

with regard to 2),eastern Europeans drive our taxis, pick our fruit,service our hotels, and stack the shelves in our supermarkets. Brits could not afford to do these jobs for £700 per month. So this labour force will remain.

with regard to 1),in 12 months time, those Syrian refugees who have bothered to accept refugee status in Germany will have German passports and be allowed free entry to the UK

In the meantime, our economy will contract.

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Edited August 4, 2016 by aquatus1
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[+OverSword]

[Grey Area]

30 minutes ago, alibongo said:

I have spoken to so many people who voted out, who now regret their vote.

This is what the referendum was about (unofficially):

1) stop Syrian refugees entering the UK

2) stop eastern Europeans stealing our jobs.

with regard to 2),eastern Europeans drive our taxis, pick our fruit,service our hotels, and stack the shelves in our supermarkets. Brits could not afford to do these jobs for £700 per month. So this labour force will remain.

with regard to 1),in 12 months time, those Syrian refugees who have bothered to accept refugee status in Germany will have German passports and be allowed free entry to the UK

In the meantime, our economy will contract.

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Did you even bother reading any of many EU/brexit threads on these boards?  Move on, get over it.  The only reason those people who voted brexit now regret it is because those remain 'fools' went into omgwtf panic mode the day after the referendum and then tried their damned hardest to turn all the false predictions into reality.

as for the rubbish you are spouting about immigrant jobs and the stereotypes you are pushing there about low paid labour, Leaving the EU will not stop immigration.  Eastern Europeans will still be able to come to the UK and get whatever work they want, leaving the EU does not mean closed borders.  And for the record, even if we remained, we would not be part of the shengen agreement, so no, all those refugees that get German passports will not have free movement to the UK.

As for the economy, well we are doing ok, still number one for growth in all the member states and still the worlds 5th largest economy.  It is people like you, spouting falsehoods and misinformation that cause those brave enough to vote brexit to have second thoughts.

shame on you.

[Redefining Success]

46 minutes ago, alibongo said:

I have spoken to so many people who voted out, who now regret their vote.

This is what the referendum was about (unofficially):

1) stop Syrian refugees entering the UK

2) stop eastern Europeans stealing our jobs.

with regard to 2),eastern Europeans drive our taxis, pick our fruit,service our hotels, and stack the shelves in our supermarkets. Brits could not afford to do these jobs for £700 per month. So this labour force will remain.

with regard to 1),in 12 months time, those Syrian refugees who have bothered to accept refugee status in Germany will have German passports and be allowed free entry to the UK

In the meantime, our economy will contract.

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I've got to put my two cents in.

There were MANY reasons to leave, not just the 2 lame excuses you came up with.

1. There are a lot of refugees in this country, and, while I do agree with stopping refugee migration here, it's for the simple fact that we can barely support our own people, let alone thousands of immigrants, until we can, it needs to be stopped.

2. Stealing our jobs? What a lame view.

Alot of English people are unwilling to do such jobs, which I am ashamed to admit, they are lazy. Those who are unable, deserve help. 

Hats off to immigrants who come here to do crappy jobs so they CAN support their families, and they do the jobs well! 

My partner is Polish, her parents came over as refugees after the war, they worked hard and not once claimed benefits, they started at the bottom and have worked there way up. My mother in law had 4 jobs! 

Her nephew is a long distance lorry driver. He goes all over Europe for weeks at a time. Supports his family. 

How many car washes do you see run by immigrant's? More than those run by English. 

They see a chance to support them selves and take it, wether it's £5 an hour or £15 an hour. Fair play to them. 

Yes, you do get bad eggs, but saying they are STEALING our jobs is a very narrow minded view.

[alibongo]

I know there are similar threads,ijust wanted to express my anger over us leaving.i don't support the xenophobic views at all. I despise them!

[bee]

1 hour ago, alibongo said:

I know there are similar threads,ijust wanted to express my anger over us leaving.i don't support the xenophobic views at all. I despise them!

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This holier-than-thou attitude of some Remainers is wearing a bit thin now -

We get it

You think you're special and know better than anyone who voted to leave the EU -

And you don't attach much value to Self Governing Democracy -

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[Leonardo]

1 hour ago, bee said:

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This holier-than-thou attitude of some Remainers is wearing a bit thin now -

We get it

You think you're special and know better than anyone who voted to leave the EU -

And you don't attach much value to Self Governing Democracy hyper-Nationalism -

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Fixed your post for you, bee. 

[bee]

8 minutes ago, Leonardo said:

Fixed your post for you, bee. 

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I rest my case

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[stevewinn]

MY GOD THE SOUR GRAPE SHORTAGE CONTINUES.

 

Stop blaming the old and the ignorant for Brexit – the statistics just don’t support these myths

No wonder the British Public are suspicious of experts. Hardly a day goes by without another national media comment piece about how Brexit has divided the country, supported by colourful charts and scientific-looking analysis.

The Brexiteers, we are told, are lumpen, ageing, poorly educated, UKIP supporting, socially excluded provincials; the “left behind” as they have been tagged. The Remainers are young, optimistic, educated, supporters of progressive politics, living in London or metropolitan areas. The land’s ignorant failures and never-rans dragging the rest of the country screaming into the abyss is a compelling image.

Just look at read the statistics: On a first-past-the-post basis this is a rout. Remain wins in only three of the 12 regions. This is an over-simplification, so I will refer to the excellent statistical modelling work by Chris Hanretty, Reader of Politics at the University of East Anglia who determined (based on modelling the actual local authority results down to constituency level) that if “Vote Leave” had been a political party it would probably have won 421 seats. A landslide representing 65 per cent of all seats (including Scotland) and 73 per cent of seats in England and Wales. If higher turnout in London and Scotland had tipped Remain over 50 per cent nationally, the result would have lacked a mandate in three-quarters of seats in England and Wales, leading to an historic democratic disaster.

http://www.conservativehome.com/platform/2016/07/gary-bennett-stop-blaming-the-old-and-the-ignorant-for-brexit-the-statistics-just-dont-support-these-myths.html

But for those living a life on a diet of sour grapes, just remember this just how you lot was wrong about joining the Euro you are just as wrong about Remaining. - in 10 years from now you'll be thankful the majority of people voted to Leave. and we yet again dodged another bullet.

 

[Essan]

7 hours ago, alibongo said:

I know there are similar threads,ijust wanted to express my anger over us leaving.i don't support the xenophobic views at all. I despise them!

No do I.  I find such views both primitive and wholly reprehensible.  

Like many intelligent, middle class, middle aged people I voted for us to leave the EU because I object to the EU as an Institution and especially I object to us being subsumed into an European Empire against our will.

It's similar to the US voting to leave the UK Empire back in 1776     Except there's more at stake than the right to make tea with cold sea water

For the record, back in 1975 I wanted to vote to leave the Common Market (but as I was only 8 at the time I didn't have a say ...).   My opinion never changed and I had been waiting for the day I could finally express my opinion in the ballot box ever since.   I would have been happy had the result gone the other way, because for me the important thing was to finally be allowed to have a say in the matter.

Whether we actually do leave the EU is, of course, another matter ......

Edited August 3, 2016 by Essan

[hetrodoxly]

15 hours ago, alibongo said:

I have spoken to so many people who voted out, who now regret their vote.

This is what the referendum was about (unofficially):

1) stop Syrian refugees entering the UK

2) stop eastern Europeans stealing our jobs.

with regard to 2),eastern Europeans drive our taxis, pick our fruit,service our hotels, and stack the shelves in our supermarkets. Brits could not afford to do these jobs for £700 per month. So this labour force will remain.

with regard to 1),in 12 months time, those Syrian refugees who have bothered to accept refugee status in Germany will have German passports and be allowed free entry to the UK

In the meantime, our economy will contract.

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How dare you tell people why they voted for brexit, i can't stand people who only concern is money 1000s died fighting for the right to choose who governs them and shallow idiots are willing to throw that away, give me your address so i'll know where to send the '60 pieces of silver'

[doomjeffs]

 

[alibongo]

7 hours ago, hetrodoxly said:

How dare you tell people why they voted for brexit, i can't stand people who only concern is money 1000s died fighting for the right to choose who governs them and shallow idiots are willing to throw that away, give me your address so i'll know where to send the '60 pieces of silver'

Nonsense.

I have always liked Pat Condell and his anti-religion stance, but the practicalities of implementing  Brexit are wrongly depicted. It is not about money.

(This is a side issue, but look at the two champions of Brexit- Farage and Boris. Farage is not very bright, Boris is very bright but devious and self-seeking).

These are the realities:

First, we already have considerable control on immigration, we just don't enforce it, we won't spend the money on immigration control and lack the bureaucracy to enforce it anyway-as many as one million failed asylum seekers are estimated to be living in the UK.

Second, our businesses actually need cheap European labour, so we won't be putting a stop to them entering the UK.

Third, EU subsidies prop up UK agriculture, culture and science, just to name three areas.

I'll give you two real examples of Brexitiers suddenly waking to smell the coffee- Ebbw Vale in Wales has received £600 Million over the last few years to rejuvenate the declined industrial towns- new schools, colleges,leisure centres and roads. They are now demanding central government match that. Will they get it - not a chance. Yet they were the highest voting Welsh area to vote Brexit (about 72%), with huge unemployment. So they have shot themselves in the foot in a big way.

Devon and Cornwall- again huge Brexit support, again demand and pleas to central government to maintain the massive support to fishing and agriculture they were receiving.

Do you think Boris gives a t--s for them now he has achieved a cabinet minister post? Think again.

The silly little middle Englanders carrying folded Daily Mails under their arms chuffing about "we won two world wars" need to get real.

 

 

[bee]

13 minutes ago, alibongo said:

Nonsense.

 

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it's not nonsense - Hetrodoxly has got you pegged - and it looks like you would sell your soul to the highest bidder -
 

you might feel ok with a quasi democracy - a 'soft' dictatorship - but luckily for the future of Britain the majority don't -

('soft' for now but getting harder as time goes by and more of the public around Europe resist the EU dictates)

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[Leonardo]

12 minutes ago, bee said:

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no 

it's not nonsense - Hetrodoxly has got you pegged - and it looks like you would sell your soul to the highest bidder -
 

you might feel ok with a quasi democracy - a 'soft' dictatorship - but luckily for the future of Britain the majority don't -

('soft' for now but getting harder as time goes by and more of the public around Europe resist the EU dictates)

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Honestly, people spout the word "democracy" as if they could pick it in their gardens.

*Newsflash* The EU, as an organisation, is just as "democratic" as the UK is. You don't choose who gets to be Chancellor, you don't choose who sits on various committees in parliament. The UK govt, as an organisation, operates exactly the same manner as the EU "govt" does. The people elect representatives and those representatives elect the people who take office, or sit on committees.

So, please do not patronise everyone with the excuse that Brexit was about "democracy" - it wasn't. It was about nationalism, and even that is a hypocrisy because the UK isn't one nation, it's a union (just like the EU, but on a smaller scale) of 4 nations.

Edited August 3, 2016 by Leonardo

[bee]

17 minutes ago, Leonardo said:

Honestly, people spout the word "democracy" as if they could pick it in their gardens.

*Newsflash* The EU, as an organisation, is just as "democratic" as the UK is. You don't choose who gets to be Chancellor, you don't choose who sits on various committees in parliament. The UK govt, as an organisation, operates exactly the same manner as the EU "govt" does. The people elect representatives and those representatives elect the people who take office, or sit on committees.

So, please do not patronise everyone with the excuse that Brexit was about "democracy" - it wasn't. It was about nationalism, and even that is a hypocrisy because the UK isn't one nation, it's a union (just like the EU, but on a smaller scale) of 4 nations.

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please stop trying to justify your support for remaining in the EU by pretending the leave vote had nothing to do with democracy -

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[alibongo]

Britain was great once.

It had great houses, great industry. Britain was great and ruled the world.

But only for about 5% 0f the population.

My family are working class, and it was never great for them. Mother in service, cleaning rooms, making beds, 12 hours a day.

Father, doffing his cap and choking on his anger.

Do we want to return to this great Britain,?

 

 

 

Edited August 3, 2016 by alibongo

[GlitterRose]

23 minutes ago, bee said:

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please stop trying to justify your support for remaining in the EU by pretending the leave vote had nothing to do with democracy -

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I've seen people literally calling for the execution of remainers. That doesn't really sound democratic to me. 

[+Hammerclaw]

2 hours ago, ChaosRose said:

I've seen people literally calling for the execution of remainers. That doesn't really sound democratic to me. 

Link, please?

[+Hammerclaw]

2 hours ago, bee said:

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please stop trying to justify your support for remaining in the EU by pretending the leave vote had nothing to do with democracy -

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When the left loses it's never about democracy. They construct a straw man consisting of wicked people who made bad choices.

[likwidlite]

I read your original post in the voice of a bumbling, teary toddler. Did you lash out and throw something after you wrote the post? 

[alibongo]

19 hours ago, Essan said:

No do I.  I find such views both primitive and wholly reprehensible.  

Like many intelligent, middle class, middle aged people I voted for us to leave the EU because I object to the EU as an Institution and especially I object to us being subsumed into an European Empire against our will.

It's similar to the US voting to leave the UK Empire back in 1776     Except there's more at stake than the right to make tea with cold sea water

For the record, back in 1975 I wanted to vote to leave the Common Market (but as I was only 8 at the time I didn't have a say ...).   My opinion never changed and I had been waiting for the day I could finally express my opinion in the ballot box ever since.   I would have been happy had the result gone the other way, because for me the important thing was to finally be allowed to have a say in the matter.

Whether we actually do leave the EU is, of course, another matter ......

Well this says it all! You made your mind up at age 8 and no life experience or enlightenment allowed you to modify your views!

[Setton]

7 hours ago, Hammerclaw said:

Link, please?

http://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/ukip-councillor-terence-nathan-says-remainers-should-be-killed-until-article-50-invoked/ar-BBuzxDV?ocid=spartanntp

[Mr Supertypo]

I honestly dont understand why somebody wants to remain in the EU, who's resembling more and more the USSR 2.0 just because they want the newest Iphone. Come on grow up. UK is doing well and it will do better than ever leaving the EUSSR.

[Grey Area]

2 hours ago, alibongo said:

Well this says it all! You made your mind up at age 8 and no life experience or enlightenment allowed you to modify your views!

Why should someone necessarily change their mind, apart from the fact that it does not conform to your particular world view?  I once bought a game for the Megadrive called Heavy Nova, it was appalling.  Now 25 or so years later, my mind has not changed, no amount of nostalgia or enlightened life experience will make me believe that actually it is a really good game.

Does that make my opinion somehow less valid?  Does the fact that I have not changed my mind for decades mean that the game was actually good after all?