Brexit

[alibongo]

1 minute ago, Manfred von Dreidecker said:

I think you must have missed this bit.  "We find the claims utterly incredible," declared Judge Roger Peters, presiding over the tribunal panel in Southampton. 

"The events did not happen."

Was Judge Roger Peters one of these judges who go against the will of the people? I thought Brexiteers had no regard for law.

 

[alibongo]

Gina Miller threatens fresh legal action, to allow MPs a say on the terms of any Brexit :http://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/gina-miller-threatens-fresh-legal-action-demanding-mps-get-final-say-on-brexit-deal-a3480446.html

When she derails Brexit, I'll be able to do my victory song again:

"Alibongo, alibongo, is a very fine man,

Ask him any questions,

He'll help if he can!"

[Space Commander Travis]

14 minutes ago, alibongo said:

Manfred von Dreidecker, why are you reading my local paper?

Thought you might want to go along and heckle. Then they could have an amusing story for Monday. "Eccentric magician escorted off premises after shouting stream of obscenities". 

[alibongo]

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UK could quit EU without paying a penny, say Lords

 

Report says British government has no legal obligation to pay for Brexit or outstanding payments into EU budget

 

 

       The UK could walk away from the European Union in 2019 without paying a penny, the House of Lords has said, in a report bound to raise tensions with Brussels in the run-up to Brexit talks.The British government would have no legal obligation to either pay a €60bn (£52bn) Brexit bill mooted by the European commission or honour payments into the EU budget promised by the former prime minister David Cameron, according to analysis by the House of Lords EU financial affairs sub-committee.In a report published on Saturday, the committee argues that the British government would be on strong legal ground if it chose to leave the EU without paying anything, adding that Brussels would have no realistic chance of getting any money.

Some good news at last:https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/mar/04/uk-could-quit-eu-without-paying-a-penny-say-lords

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[Black Monk]

On 02/03/2017 at 9:19 AM, bee said:

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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4271538/Ministers-brace-Brexit-Bill-DEFEAT-House-Lords.html

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"Former Leader of the Lords Lord Strathclyde warned that voting for the amendment would 'put at risk the future of a million British citizens living in the EU' by weakening Mrs May's negotiating hand. "

^^^ in a nutshell ^^^  T
Looks like the Remainers in the House of Lords trying to force the Government
to play softball when the EU are going to play hardball...?... Remainers always on the look out
for ways to make their doom and gloom prophesies come true - no matter what harm
that does to the country --

 

Shadow Brexit Secretary Keir Starmer hailed the defeat as a 'really welcome and important step forward'." 

^^^

mmmmm a step forward towards what...?.... interfering with the negotiation from the side lines..?

This looks more like the Remain supporters in the Lords flexing their muscles as a show of force
and distrust -rather than any real care about EU nationals - who IMO don't have anything to worry about
anyway - and at the end of the day aren't refugees - they have perfectly safe countries to return to if
they wanted to --

just like the Brits living abroad do --- but if both groups have settled in other European countries
different to their country of origin then apart from a few 'grey area' cases which can be fought in
the courts - they don't have to get worried over scare tactics from the referendum losers - 

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Why don't the Lords start looking after the interests of the British people rather than of foreigners?

[Black Monk]

On 01/03/2017 at 9:07 AM, Manfred von Dreidecker said:

Crikey, they've recruited William Wallace to support their cause now? Surely he'd be the last who'd be likely to be a Little Englander.

Many Scots unfathomably like the EU.

There's always been a beautiful thing between Scotland and Continental Europe - it's called England.

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[alibongo]

4 hours ago, Black Monk said:

 

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[Space Commander Travis]

11 minutes ago, alibongo said:

 

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[alibongo]

39 minutes ago, Manfred von Dreidecker said:

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I've been trying to post so as to meet the mods approval, as they delete my posts,but I can't manage the quote function yet.

[Gingitsune]

5 hours ago, Black Monk said:

Many Scots unfathomably like the EU.

There's always been a beautiful thing between Scotland and Continental Europe - it's called England.

If only Norway was in EU, they could build a tunnel between Orkney, Shetland, then mainland Norway (not going to be doable this century, but don't let reality get in the way), but no, their geographic conundrum is a inescapable. 

[hetrodoxly]

11 hours ago, Gingitsune said:

If only Norway was in EU, they could build a tunnel between Orkney, Shetland, then mainland Norway (not going to be doable this century, but don't let reality get in the way), but no, their geographic conundrum is a inescapable. 

Last time around Orkney and Shetland were talking about independence from Scotland.

[Gingitsune]

2 minutes ago, hetrodoxly said:

Last time around Orkney and Shetland were talking about independence from Scotland.

I didn't know of the finer details.

They'll have to do a tunnel between Islay and Inishowen, then.

[Space Commander Travis]

31 minutes ago, hetrodoxly said:

Last time around Orkney and Shetland were talking about independence from Scotland.

All the more reason, since they've always been more Scandinavian than Scottish. 

[Black Monk]

1 hour ago, Gingitsune said:

I didn't know of the finer details.

They'll have to do a tunnel between Islay and Inishowen, then.

If Scotland voted to swap rule from London for rule from Brussels then Shetland and Orkney, with all their oil, will vote to secede from Scotland and become part of England.

[alibongo]

9 hours ago, Black Monk said:

If Scotland voted to swap rule from London for rule from Brussels then Shetland and Orkney, with all their oil, will vote to secede from Scotland and become part of England.

I thought Nicola Sturgeon wanted to remain part of the EU just to retain all the benefits  membership confers, I can't imagine Shetland, Orkney or any other country would want to leave, unless they were handicapped by a referendum vote which went badly wrong.

[Space Commander Travis]

In what way, if it's worth asking, did it go badly wrong? It didn't go the way it ought to have done, if only it had been limited to unstupid people, such as, for example, not Northerners?

[alibongo]

Some comments on the budget http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/hammond-rising-revenues-will-be-put-aside-for-brexit-not-spent-on-the-nhs-a7612601.html :

 

Brexiters have not only demolished the future health of our economy, but they have set in motion the entire breakup of the United Kingdom.

 

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jimmyjet

 

Another spineless Tory snake. What a detestable group of politicians the two largest parties are. A plague on both their houses.

 

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BigBrain

 

The British voted, under the influence of such slimeballs as Fartrage and the NHS money-tree.

Now they will enjoy the impoverishment that goes with it.

It will build and build, over the decades, as markets close to the stupid fools.

 

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themano

 

£350 million per week = £18.2 billion per year = less than a third of what Hammond is stashing away to fend off what is (by his own admission) the potential economic calamity of Brexit.

 

So those who were stupid enough to believe the Gove-Johnson lies COULD have had their £350M per week for the NHS all along, if only the Tories were in the least bit interested in giving it to them...

 

But post Brexit, they haven't got a hope in hell of getting anything they want. They have simply been brainwashed into supporting a right wing coup. 

 

And they have ended up with a Government who are way more evil than any we have ever had before, and who are just longing to shed their EU shackles to show you just how nasty they are.

 

All you sorry Little Englanders deserve everything you are about to get.

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[alibongo]

3 minutes ago, Manfred von Dreidecker said:

In what way, if it's worth asking, did it go badly wrong? It didn't go the way it ought to have done, if only it had been limited to unstupid people, such as, for example, not Northerners?

You just need to read the comments in my above post to answer your question.

[Space Commander Travis]

Where's this from then? The Guardina?   All these people claim to be experts? Interesting insight into the way of thinking of these people who are our intellectual superiors.

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And they have ended up with a Government who are way more evil than any we have ever had before

 

 

 

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[alibongo]

12 minutes ago, Manfred von Dreidecker said:

Where's this from then? The Guardina?   All these people claim to be experts? Interesting insight into the way of thinking of these people who are our intellectual superiors.

 

 

 

Just a random selection of comments on the Independent's report on the budget.

I predict there will be a mass uprising overturning the government's Brexit, as the UK's population will demand a say in the way their country is run.

No-one voted for an economic calamity, with the UK run as a tax-haven for corporations and the workforce on zero hour gig contracts.

Edited March 5, 2017 by alibongo

[alibongo]

1 hour ago, Pop It and Shove It said:

Nor, did we vote to become Trump's groomed poodle readying for WW3...

Yes, I agree.

But with the chancellor's fighting rhetoric yesterday, talking about being embattled by the EU countries and how we won't slink away without a fight, it is clear there is no intention by this government to have a 'soft' Brexit or to retain the single market.

Instead, we will lower our corporate taxes to encourage finance and industry to stay in the UK.

Lower taxes means less revenue for the government to spend on public services, so less spent on social care, the NHS and on workers rights.

This is the model the Tories have always wanted (Thatcher was always saying 'roll back the state') but is not the model the working classes of the UK will find enjoyable.

The working classes were hoodwinked by the despicable Farage, Gove and Boris.

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[alibongo]

2 minutes ago, alibongo said:

 

Hit quote instead of edit.

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[hetrodoxly]

10 hours ago, alibongo said:

Just a random selection of comments on the Independent's report on the budget.

I predict there will be a mass uprising overturning the government's Brexit, as the UK's population will demand a say in the way their country is run.

No-one voted for an economic calamity, with the UK run as a tax-haven for corporations and the workforce on zero hour gig contracts.

The only 'mass uprising' you'll see is if we fail to leave the single market (the EU)

Edited March 6, 2017 by hetrodoxly

[alibongo]

22 minutes ago, hetrodoxly said:

The only 'mass uprising' you'll see is if we fail to leave the single market (the EU)

Of course.

That's because the Brexiteers are holding onto their delusion that Brexit means control of our borders, rising prosperity due to a free market, and oodles of money saved from our not pumping it into the EU.

When the penny drops, and they realise that they will be subject to real economic hardships (some estimate a drop in living standards of about 20% by 2020) and there is no state safety net as public funding has been, perforce, drastically reduced, then they will realise they were shafted and there will be mass protests!

[Frank Merton]

24 minutes ago, hetrodoxly said:

The only 'mass uprising' you'll see is if we fail to leave the single market (the EU)

I think in the end the politicians will find a way for Britain to stay in the EU, at least de facto.  There is too much disruption to everyone, and too much harm to Britain, for things to end up otherwise.  For a year or more the noise will all be exit and negotiating exit, but it will end up amounting to just camouflage for a reality that keeps Britain and Europe closely tied together.

(It might even happen, as tempers settle and people have a chance to think more deeply, that a second referendum or something along those lines will happen and the whole thing will go away).  Of course a few extremists will demonstrate, but they do that sort of thing all the time anyway.