Brexit

[bee]

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we're on the brink of a major development - with Teresa May being able to
trigger Article 50 -

and surprise surprise Nicola Sturgeon has chosen this moment to try and put a
spanner in the works by saying she is going to go for another Scottish Independence
referendum - 

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[seeder]

7 minutes ago, bee said:

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we're on the brink of a major development - with Teresa May being able to
trigger Article 50 -

and surprise surprise Nicola Sturgeon has chosen this moment to try and put a
spanner in the works by saying she is going to go for another Scottish Independence
referendum - 

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Nicola Sturgeon needs a kick in the nuts!

[bee]

14 minutes ago, seeder said:

 

Nicola Sturgeon needs a kick in the nuts!

well something like that....

perhaps the Scottish voters will do the honours and give her a political kick in the nuts...?

we can but hope

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[spud the mackem]

34 minutes ago, seeder said:

 

Nicola Sturgeon needs a kick in the nuts!

why does she hate the English so much when one of her Grannies is a Geordie

[Space Commander Travis]

This is about the all-purpose "the Russkies are behind it" (what's "it"? Everything!) cpinsiracy, but it touches on brexit as well:

http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2017/03/lefts-great-russian-conspiracy-theory/

 

What’s really being said here is that my mind, your mind and the mind of anyone who doesn’t love the EU or think Hillary would have made a good president have been invaded by Russian bots — ‘organised by who?’ You know who! — and made to believe certain things. Richard Dawkins summed it up in a tweet about the Guardian piece: ‘Terrifying. Sinister social-media bots read minds & manipulate votes. Explains mystery of Trump & Brexit.’

Edited March 14, 2017 by Manfred von Dreidecker

[Black Monk]

3 hours ago, Manfred von Dreidecker said:

This is about the all-purpose "the Russkies are behind it" (what's "it"? Everything!) cpinsiracy, but it touches on brexit as well:

http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2017/03/lefts-great-russian-conspiracy-theory/

 

What’s really being said here is that my mind, your mind and the mind of anyone who doesn’t love the EU or think Hillary would have made a good president have been invaded by Russian bots — ‘organised by who?’ You know who! — and made to believe certain things. Richard Dawkins summed it up in a tweet about the Guardian piece: ‘Terrifying. Sinister social-media bots read minds & manipulate votes. Explains mystery of Trump & Brexit.’

It's the Remainers who have been brainwashed and don't think for themselves.

[A rather obscure Bassoon]

23 hours ago, bee said:

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we're on the brink of a major development - with Teresa May being able to
trigger Article 50 -

and surprise surprise Nicola Sturgeon has chosen this moment to try and put a
spanner in the works by saying she is going to go for another Scottish Independence
referendum - 

 

 

 

The EU stated that if Scotland went Independent that there would be no guarantee on Scottish membership of the EU. 

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/scottish-eu-independence-referendum-scotland-join-queue-membership-apply-a7627201.html

She is totally deluded and I think she will  suffer a humiliating defeat if she was to hold another referendum.

 

[keithisco]

40 minutes ago, A rather obscure Bassoon said:

The EU stated that if Scotland went Independent that there would be no guarantee on Scottish membership of the EU. 

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/scottish-eu-independence-referendum-scotland-join-queue-membership-apply-a7627201.html

She is totally deluded and I think she will  suffer a humiliating defeat if she was to hold another referendum.

 

Spain has repeated several times that they will veto an Independent Scotland application - for obvious reasons (Basque country, and Catalunya)

So Wee jimmy AKA Ms Sturgeon, wants to cut herself and Scotland off from the UK (68% of their international trade) and the EU (28% of their international trade. Of course there is always their share of the oil fields - oh wait, oil prices were $120 a barrel  during their last referendum now it is c$50 a barrel and the North Sea fields are virtually non-viable. They would be in a huge pile of doo-doohs had they left 2 years ago and who would Wee Jimmy be screeching at to help her out??

What is interesting in all of this is that 30% of SNP voters ALSO voted for Brexit...

She really needs to stop blaming England for all her woes, the Scottish people get an average of 1500 pounds extra per capita than the English

[hetrodoxly]

On 13/03/2017 at 8:38 PM, bee said:

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we're on the brink of a major development - with Teresa May being able to
trigger Article 50 -

and surprise surprise Nicola Sturgeon has chosen this moment to try and put a
spanner in the works by saying she is going to go for another Scottish Independence
referendum - 

.

 

We can't live with the Scottish "Sword of Damocles" hanging over our heads, we'll have these threats every time they don't get there own way, May should call a referendum for the whole of Britain with one question on the ballot paper 'Do you want to stay part of the union' settle it for all time, why should it be up to Scotland it effects all of us.

[A rather obscure Bassoon]

3 hours ago, keithisco said:

Spain has repeated several times that they will veto an Independent Scotland application - for obvious reasons (Basque country, and Catalunya)

So Wee jimmy AKA Ms Sturgeon, wants to cut herself and Scotland off from the UK (68% of their international trade) and the EU (28% of their international trade. Of course there is always their share of the oil fields - oh wait, oil prices were $120 a barrel  during their last referendum now it is c$50 a barrel and the North Sea fields are virtually non-viable. They would be in a huge pile of doo-doohs had they left 2 years ago and who would Wee Jimmy be screeching at to help her out??

What is interesting in all of this is that 30% of SNP voters ALSO voted for Brexit...

She really needs to stop blaming England for all her woes, the Scottish people get an average of 1500 pounds extra per capita than the English

 

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Wee Jimmy Krankie is up the creek and she knows it and Theresa May know's it.Scotland's economic growth stagnated in 2016 at a paltry 0.6 per cent and they probably couldn't afford to go it alone and pay into the EU.

 

Edited March 15, 2017 by A rather obscure Bassoon

[skookum]

Seems Jimmy Krankie has now abandoned plans to stay in the EU.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4314372/Nicola-Sturgeon-abandons-plans-stay-EU.html

Does anyone have a clue what this woman is on about, not sure she even does herself now.

[itsnotoutthere]

Well, at least the SNP have something in common with the E.U.

i.e. if you don't get the result you want from the first referendum carry on until you do.

[spud the mackem]

Nicki and her mate Alec are the greatest fighters of lost causes that the world has ever seen...Oh Flowers of Scotland ....etc I like the Scottish because they always let us win at footy and rugby...another 2 lost causes LOL

[Finity]

What I find interesting with this whole thing is. What we are doing in the UK seems to send ripples across the world. Even the small things.

[Black Monk]

The SNP don't want independence. They just want to swap rule from London for rule from Brussels.

[skookum]

2 minutes ago, Black Monk said:

The SNP don't want independence. They just want to swap rule from London for rule from Brussels.

But they cannot guarantee that.

I am all for another referendum for the Scots but surely it must be based on facts.  At the moment we have a situation with the SNP saying we want to stay in the EU but that isn't the noise coming out of Brussels.  

 

[Space Commander Travis]

1 hour ago, skookum said:

 At the moment we have a situation with the SNP saying we want to stay in the EU but that isn't the noise coming out of Brussels.  

I know what kind of noise Brussels usually produces. Particularly if you eat too many.

[Duke Wellington]

On ‎13‎/‎03‎/‎2017 at 9:04 PM, bee said:

well something like that....

perhaps the Scottish voters will do the honours and give her a political kick in the nuts...?

we can but hope

She is ignoring that the referendum was only about the UK staying in or leaving the EU. It wasn't a referendum about Scotland leaving the UK to stay in the EU. For that there will be less than the 45% of supporters wanting to remain a part of Europe.

And isn't it both odd and ironic that she wants to leave one union to be a part of another? The economic argument doesnt add up because Scotland does most of its trade with the UK not the EU. She is driven purely by anti-Englishness and that is revealed by her not wanting to find a way of remaining in both. And as Scotland cant be a part of both surely the country it has shared 300 years with and does most of its trade with should come first? The UK.

And I notice how she is desperately trying to get a second referendum before we leave the EU. She, like most of us, knows its highly likely the EU is about to start falling apart. Maybe Germany and the lowlands will be all that remains. But she wants Scotland out of the UK before the EU starts disintegrating so the Scots wont realise they are getting a bum deal.

She is motivated simply by anti-Englishness regardless of the negative impact on Scotland.

Edited March 16, 2017 by RabidMongoose

[bee]

3 hours ago, RabidMongoose said:

She is ignoring that the referendum was only about the UK staying in or leaving the EU. It wasn't a referendum about Scotland leaving the UK to stay in the EU. For that there will be less than the 45% of supporters wanting to remain a part of Europe.

And isn't it both odd and ironic that she wants to leave one union to be a part of another? The economic argument doesnt add up because Scotland does most of its trade with the UK not the EU. She is driven purely by anti-Englishness and that is revealed by her not wanting to find a way of remaining in both. And as Scotland cant be a part of both surely the country it has shared 300 years with and does most of its trade with should come first? The UK.

And I notice how she is desperately trying to get a second referendum before we leave the EU. She, like most of us, knows its highly likely the EU is about to start falling apart. Maybe Germany and the lowlands will be all that remains. But she wants Scotland out of the UK before the EU starts disintegrating so the Scots wont realise they are getting a bum deal.

She is motivated simply by anti-Englishness regardless of the negative impact on Scotland.

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re bolded above -- ironic and crazy .. to want to be independent from the other 3 UK countries
who have shared history and very close proximity - to aspire to be economically and politically
joined to (dependant on)  27 other countries further away, some much further away ... ...
 

re underlined last sentence... I agree -- it's political opportunism and leverage with little regard
for the people or future of Scotland.... (or the UK)

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Edited March 16, 2017 by bee

[stevewinn]

Brexit continues. Gina Miller and others wasted their time and effort, every obstacle to block Brexit overcome, - We should really thank Gina Miller and unknowns for their court case, she thought she was stopping Brexit, reversing the referendum what actually happened is she made Brexit 100% legitimate, with the expected ping-pong wit the house of Lords, the Brexit bill has Royal assent making it Law and only changeable via Parliament. By this time next week we'll have served notice of withdrawal from the EU and we'll be on our way. and that ladies and gentleman is the difference between a majestic Democracy and a Banana Republic. 

[alibongo]

3 hours ago, Pop It and Shove It said:

Those who fought and died for the UK in bloody wars must be rolling in their graves that wee krankie is constantly trying to destroy and break up the UK. As a union of nations, we haven't done bad at all for a couple of small islands. A major economy, major military and diplomatic power (which won't change after Brexit) but still the Scottish nationalists are so engrossed in their hatred for England that they'd rather be "little Scotland" than part of the UK.

No, they don't want to break up the UK, they want it to be part of the modern world!

We stopped fighting in WW2 about 2 generations ago at least!

Although the binge-drinking, unemployable, middle-Englanders still think WW2 gives us authority to behave like louts when they are off on Viva Espania holidays .

[Mr.United_Nations]

1 hour ago, alibongo said:

No, they don't want to break up the UK, they want it to be part of the modern world!

We stopped fighting in WW2 about 2 generations ago at least!

Although the binge-drinking, unemployable, middle-Englanders still think WW2 gives us authority to behave like louts when they are off on Viva Espania holidays .

Soundd like labour supporters

[bee]

Just now, Pop It and Shove It said:

Those who fought and died for the UK in bloody wars must be rolling in their graves that wee krankie is constantly trying to destroy and break up the UK. As a union of nations, we haven't done bad at all for a couple of small islands. A major economy, major military and diplomatic power (which won't change after Brexit) but still the Scottish nationalists are so engrossed in their hatred for England that they'd rather be "little Scotland" than part of the UK.

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Yes it looks like Sturgeon would like Scotland be a little fish in a big pond -

Nigel has been having a go at her over it all...  (of course  )

I think that a majority of Scottish voters will be wary of leaving the UK just to become part of the EU -
That's if Scotland would even qualify to join -

she thinks she is being clever using Brexit as leverage for the independence cause - but it has just muddied
the waters and diluted the overall message and may lead to her political downfall --  
 

http://www.*********/news/uk/778757/nigel-farage-lbc-blasts-eurofanatic-nicola-sturgeon-scotland-independence-referendum

edit -- don't know why that link isn't taking --- it was News / *********

edit again -  it was from an Express News link 

quote--

"He said: “She doesn’t want to leave the European Union, she doesn’t want to leave the single market, she is a Eurofanatic and a question that never seems to be asked is ‘why is that party called the Scottish National Party?’ – she doesn’t want Scotland to be an independent nation.

“She does not want independence from this referendum at all, she wants to be part of a Europe that is rapidly becoming a United States of Europe.”

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Edited March 20, 2017 by bee

[Unusual Tournament]

2 minutes ago, bee said:

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Yes it looks like Sturgeon would like Scotland be a little fish in a big pond -

Nigel has been having a go at her over it all...  (of course  )

I think that a majority of Scottish voters will be wary of leaving the UK just to become part of the EU -
That's if Scotland would even qualify to join -

she thinks she is being clever using Brexit as leverage for the independence cause - but it has just muddied
the waters and diluted the overall message and may lead to her political downfall --  
 

http://www.*********/news/uk/778757/nigel-farage-lbc-blasts-eurofanatic-nicola-sturgeon-scotland-independence-referendum

quote--

"He said: “She doesn’t want to leave the European Union, she doesn’t want to leave the single market, she is a Eurofanatic and a question that never seems to be asked is ‘why is that party called the Scottish National Party?’ – she doesn’t want Scotland to be an independent nation.

“She does not want independence from this referendum at all, she wants to be part of a Europe that is rapidly becoming a United States of Europe.”

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You know bee... once the genie left the brexit bottle it will be near impossible to push it back in. Britain is now a divided nation that wants different things. 

[Unusual Tournament]

On 14 March 2017 at 6:38 AM, bee said:

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we're on the brink of a major development - with Teresa May being able to
trigger Article 50 -

and surprise surprise Nicola Sturgeon has chosen this moment to try and put a
spanner in the works by saying she is going to go for another Scottish Independence
referendum - 

.

 

Well i think Gordon Brown threw another in by suggesting even MORE devolutionary powers for Scotland to stay. So now there is a third way to complicate matters even more. Two for union and one against. The odds aren't great for the union.

Edited March 20, 2017 by Captain Risky