keithisco Posted April 3, 2017 #2676 Share Posted April 3, 2017 (edited) In other news: The EU have been discussing the new Youth Volunteering Scheme... sound innocuous enough but to listen to Italian social democrat Silvia Costa saying the "civic service" of the scheme should be specified, with the particular objective of promoting "European solidarity" has alarming connotations with a certain "other" Youth Volunteering scheme which only allowed "correct thinking" individuals to join... Brexit has been a narrow escape from the return of fundamental EU far-right indoctrination of our youth Edited April 3, 2017 by keithisco 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bee Posted April 3, 2017 #2677 Share Posted April 3, 2017 Just now, acute said: Speak for yourself! I am Mainland European 'til the day I die! I am happy to wear strings of onions around my neck, drive along motorways at 150mph (on the wrong side of the road), smoke cannabis, leave my shoes outside the house, have sex in the sauna, become a plumber, and speak with exaggerated hand gestures. . I thought you wanted to go and live in Canada..?..... . 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
acute Posted April 3, 2017 #2678 Share Posted April 3, 2017 7 minutes ago, bee said: I thought you wanted to go and live in Canada..?..... . I need to marry a rich widow for that to happen. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duke Wellington Posted April 3, 2017 #2679 Share Posted April 3, 2017 2 hours ago, Hammerclaw said: That's what was predicted for the United States after independence. Instead, it reinvented itself and subsequently, the ties that bind became so strong they persevered through a major civil war. The same may happen on the continent, or worse. Fascism might once again rear it's xenophobic head and bind the states together with the peace of the gun. You have considered only one possible future. You are also complacent that your regression into isolationism is permanent. The coming of age of the next generation of voters may tip the scales against you. The United States didnt have its own people, identity, culture or history though. It was a mix mash of migrants from all over the world but primarily Western Europe. Each with no loyalty to anyone except themselves. I reject the implicit stance in your reply where if we arent united we will slip into isolationism. Thats a very black and white way of looking at the world where you either have to belong to one extreme or the other. The irony of the extreme liberal-socialists with their pro-immigrant and pro-EU stance is that they will cause the very thing they fear - the second rise of fascism. The reason? You cannot self-regulate. You keep going and going and going. The people say we dont want the EU or more immigrants and you ignore them, demonize them, legislate to shut them up, then continue to push ahead. Where do you think that will end? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Hammerclaw Posted April 3, 2017 #2680 Share Posted April 3, 2017 (edited) 57 minutes ago, RabidMongoose said: The United States didnt have its own people, identity, culture or history though. It was a mix mash of migrants from all over the world but primarily Western Europe. Each with no loyalty to anyone except themselves. I reject the implicit stance in your reply where if we arent united we will slip into isolationism. Thats a very black and white way of looking at the world where you either have to belong to one extreme or the other. The irony of the extreme liberal-socialists with their pro-immigrant and pro-EU stance is that they will cause the very thing they fear - the second rise of fascism. The reason? You cannot self-regulate. You keep going and going and going. The people say we dont want the EU or more immigrants and you ignore them, demonize them, legislate to shut them up, then continue to push ahead. Where do you think that will end? As an American I have all too well experienced the supercilious arrogance and pomposity of the side that wins by a razor thin margin. Yours is running true to type. In a country whose government can change at the drop of a hat, so will the wailing and gnashing of teeth switch sides when the tide of public opinion turns and runs against you. So, enjoy the wind in your sails while you still have it. Edited April 3, 2017 by Hammerclaw Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Commander Travis Posted April 3, 2017 #2681 Share Posted April 3, 2017 You do love demonstrating your superiority by using lots of suave multisyllabic words don't you. Anyway, Like I said, I'm glad you've decided to take up the position from our old friend Alibong (here's a pint to you Ali, wherever you are.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Commander Travis Posted April 3, 2017 #2682 Share Posted April 3, 2017 1 hour ago, RabidMongoose said: I reject the implicit stance in your reply where if we arent united we will slip into isolationism. has he explained how he figures that? I don't think he has yet, has he. How do you figure that hoping to open up trade with India, China and even your own beloved United States is isolationism, or doesn't logic matter to your argument since you just want to accuse everyone of being nasty little racists who hate foreigners? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alibongo Posted April 9, 2017 Author #2683 Share Posted April 9, 2017 Generally, I think Pat Condell has useful things to say, with regard to religion. With regard to Brexit, he has little useful to say. He confuses religion with politics. He, and we, all know religion is nonsense. But he argues as if there is a case to be made each side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alibongo Posted April 12, 2017 Author #2684 Share Posted April 12, 2017 (edited) We are now in the strange situation, where Europe welcomed refugees from the Middle East, fleeing persecution, to find they are also fundamentalists and wish us harm because we are unbelievers. The fact that sceptics are sceptics because they cannot believe nonsense never troubles fundamentalists of any religion. Edited April 12, 2017 by alibongo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Commander Travis Posted April 12, 2017 #2685 Share Posted April 12, 2017 hey, good news everybody! The Media have found a way to maintain the daily Three Minutes Hate about Russian Interference in Other Countries' Democratic Affairs now that all of a sudden they're falling all over themselves to praise America's War President: Brexit: foreign states may have interfered in vote, report says :happy: 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
itsnotoutthere Posted April 12, 2017 #2686 Share Posted April 12, 2017 (edited) Yes, spotted this on the BBC this morning. Smacks of remoaner desperation to me. (besides, the E.U. have been interfering in national votes for years) Edited April 12, 2017 by itsnotoutthere 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+DieChecker Posted April 13, 2017 #2687 Share Posted April 13, 2017 On 4/3/2017 at 4:17 AM, Hammerclaw said: So now Britain faces the very situation it has historically dreaded and striven to avoid: alone and having to treat with a united continent. Not quite, just like in 1942, some of Scandinavia and Switzerland are still Free. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+DieChecker Posted April 13, 2017 #2688 Share Posted April 13, 2017 On 4/3/2017 at 9:21 AM, Manfred von Dreidecker said: "regression into isolationism"? So the countries that form the EU are the entire world and, for example, the USA, Canada, Russia, India, China, Japan etc are insignificant? And once again, as people have tried to explain, the Brits, stupid and poorly educated as they are, do want to trade with France and Germany etc, it's the layer of bureaucracy that currently (believes that it) overrrules them that they'd rather get away from. I think I remember posting pages and pages ago that the UK is Germany's third largest export nation. I don't think they want to just kiss off that 100 billion dollars of exports. They're going to HAVE to get some kind of trade conditions. The question being if it will favor Germany (EU) or the UK, more then it used to. Frankly, IMHO, even if the UK pays a little more, the autonomy they will have is totally worth it. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+DieChecker Posted April 13, 2017 #2689 Share Posted April 13, 2017 (edited) On 4/3/2017 at 10:02 AM, Manfred von Dreidecker said: Anyway, he seems to be getting confused; why is it a knee-jerk spasm of nostalgia to consider that there might be a future in trading with up-and-coming nations such as China and India? Oh, I know, I expect he thinks that Brits want to recolonize India, and send a gunboat to pacify the Chinese again, like last time. Didn't the EU let the UK do such trading before? All you had to do was do it through them, only using their rules, laws and regulations, and their setting everything to their liking. Is that really just too much to ask? Kind of like having your own garage sale, but the city tells you what your items are worth, when you can sell them, and what items you can sell. Why is that so onerous? (Sarcasm) Edited April 13, 2017 by DieChecker 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
itsnotoutthere Posted April 13, 2017 #2690 Share Posted April 13, 2017 15 minutes ago, DieChecker said: I think I remember posting pages and pages ago that the UK is Germany's third largest export nation. I don't think they want to just kiss off that 100 billion dollars of exports. They're going to HAVE to get some kind of trade conditions. The question being if it will favor Germany (EU) or the UK, more then it used to. Frankly, IMHO, even if the UK pays a little more, the autonomy they will have is totally worth it. Bingo. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
itsnotoutthere Posted April 13, 2017 #2691 Share Posted April 13, 2017 Jeremy Corbyn says Brexit may 'upgrade our economy' Leaving the EU could offer new opportunities to "upgrade our economy", Jeremy Corbyn says. The Labour leader said Whitehall and councils could obtain new opportunities to use their "incredible" purchasing power to support UK businesses and boost local economies. Link :- http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-39588431 Well well........who'd have thought........ 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Torchwood Posted April 14, 2017 #2692 Share Posted April 14, 2017 On 13/04/2017 at 4:50 PM, itsnotoutthere said: Jeremy Corbyn says Brexit may 'upgrade our economy' Leaving the EU could offer new opportunities to "upgrade our economy", Jeremy Corbyn says. The Labour leader said Whitehall and councils could obtain new opportunities to use their "incredible" purchasing power to support UK businesses and boost local economies. Link :- http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-39588431 Well well........who'd have thought........ Not a major surprise from Corbyn, he's never been a big fan of the EU. I suspect that he only supported (and lets be fair, we didn't hear much from him) remain during the run up to Brexit because he didn't want to be associated with Farage. And who can blame him for that? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eugenonegin Posted June 9, 2017 #2693 Share Posted June 9, 2017 Being new to these forums, I was directed here by someone in the Sweden thread because I mentioned Brexit. Well, it certainly seems the election result is rejection of hard brexit, perhaps a rejection of Brexit altogether! Perhaps I should say I have always been a Remainer, so I am quite pleased! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gingitsune Posted June 9, 2017 #2694 Share Posted June 9, 2017 But May has less negotiation power than she had before the election (or her successor), hard brexit is even more likely now. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eugenonegin Posted June 13, 2017 #2695 Share Posted June 13, 2017 On 6/9/2017 at 4:02 AM, Gingitsune said: But May has less negotiation power than she had before the election (or her successor), hard brexit is even more likely now. No, that is not true. Europe does not want Brexit at all. It was the Maybot's idea. A weak May means sanity is more likely to prevail: a soft Brexit or no Brexit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LV-426 Posted June 14, 2017 #2696 Share Posted June 14, 2017 55 minutes ago, eugeneonegin said: No, that is not true. Europe does not want Brexit at all. It was the Maybot's idea. Brexit was May's idea? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unusual Tournament Posted June 14, 2017 #2697 Share Posted June 14, 2017 On 14 April 2017 at 1:50 AM, itsnotoutthere said: Jeremy Corbyn says Brexit may 'upgrade our economy' Leaving the EU could offer new opportunities to "upgrade our economy", Jeremy Corbyn says. The Labour leader said Whitehall and councils could obtain new opportunities to use their "incredible" purchasing power to support UK businesses and boost local economies. Link :- http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-39588431 Well well........who'd have thought........ I wonder thou how realistic it is for Corbyn to preach a positive brexit that would completely rely on deregulating the entire British economy when the platform he stands for is nationalisation of key industries and protectionism. Essentially, Corbyn is saying the opposite to what he believes or just maybe he is being a politician and quietly searching for votes among the voters with no intention of being anything other than a left wing union hack. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unusual Tournament Posted June 14, 2017 #2698 Share Posted June 14, 2017 4 hours ago, eugeneonegin said: No, that is not true. Europe does not want Brexit at all. It was the Maybot's idea. A weak May means sanity is more likely to prevail: a soft Brexit or no Brexit. Yeah that would be the logical conclusion from the election results. Learn from mistakes. But May seems like woman that has crossed over and back again from the dead. Nothing about her smacks of soft brexit since her election "win." In fact there is nothing warm and fuzzy about her. She is on a mission to push a hard brexit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unusual Tournament Posted June 14, 2017 #2699 Share Posted June 14, 2017 On 9 June 2017 at 1:02 PM, Gingitsune said: But May has less negotiation power than she had before the election (or her successor), hard brexit is even more likely now. I agree. With no brexit preparedness and the EU waiting for talks to start its almost like May is gonna walk into negotiations with the pin pulled on a handgrenade. Admirable but somewhat silly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Commander Travis Posted June 14, 2017 #2700 Share Posted June 14, 2017 7 hours ago, eugeneonegin said: No, that is not true. Europe does not want Brexit at all. It was the Maybot's idea. A weak May means sanity is more likely to prevail: a soft Brexit or no Brexit. I thought there were doubts as to her wholehearted commitment to the cause before she became Supreme Leader. It was the People that wanted Brexit, none of the politicians really wanted it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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