Space Commander Travis Posted January 10, 2017 #2126 Share Posted January 10, 2017 12 minutes ago, alibongo said: You realise he is a -----? He and Farage should be forced to live with each other, so they can learn what a ----- is. Your definition of a ----, I suppose, is like your definition of fake news: anything that doesn't agree with your opinion. Which anti-Brexit pundits or politicians are you prepared to listen to, then, if any? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Commander Travis Posted January 10, 2017 #2127 Share Posted January 10, 2017 21 minutes ago, alibongo said: But the sad truth is the working class Brits have been sold down the river by career-obsessed politicians, who have been educated in private and public schools, live a privileged life and wouldn't give the time of day to a working class man or woman. You realise that some might see your supposed soldarity with the British Working Man as somewhat hypocritical, given your frequently expressed disdain for stupid working class Northerners? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
likwidlite Posted January 10, 2017 #2128 Share Posted January 10, 2017 (edited) On 06/01/2017 at 11:49 AM, alibongo said: 1 hour ago, alibongo said: There are plenty of articles saying Brexit is good (look at the Daily Express on-line). . Yes, yes there are. Here's one from the Independent. I'm not sure if you've read this. The economic consensus was horribly wrong and here are the real reasons Brexit is SUCCEEDING http://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/economic-consensus-brexit-succeeding-ashoka-mody-imf-a7509711.html LMAO Edited January 10, 2017 by likwidlite Forgot to add LMAO 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
itsnotoutthere Posted January 10, 2017 #2129 Share Posted January 10, 2017 (edited) 4 hours ago, alibongo said: It wasn't the war that ended, it was Great Britain ,sadly, which ended in June last year. Stupid, stupid, sheep. That's it, keep talking your country & it's people down, don't lose touch with those socialist principles. (Remember, a socialist without a chip on his shoulder is not a real socialist) Edited January 10, 2017 by itsnotoutthere 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevewinn Posted January 10, 2017 #2130 Share Posted January 10, 2017 (edited) 5 hours ago, alibongo said: I wish I was a wind-up merchant. There are plenty of articles saying Brexit is good (look at the Daily Express on-line). Journalists make their money by selling articles which have catchy headlines. But the sad truth is the working class Brits have been sold down the river by career-obsessed politicians, who have been educated in private and public schools, live a privileged life and wouldn't give the time of day to a working class man or woman. (Bold) Brexiteers do not need media outlets, or a scorned Pro-EU journalists opinion and editorial line - for our proof we can simply use official bodies, like the IMF, Office for National Statistics, Bank of England and Treasury facts. These are same institutions the remain side used as their source during the Referendum - they where the Remains sides prophets of doom, But where the Remain side relied upon fortune telling and crystal balls, and of course "experts soothsaying" - Brexiteers simply point to the cold hard truth - we can point to facts of what as actually happened, and beyond any doubt prove the Remain Campaign and their evidence from the experts got it wrong. The Remain side thought they had the ability to foretell what was going to happen tomorrow, next week, next month, and next year. But they now need the ability and conviction of courage to hold their hands up and explain why it didn't happen. 5 hours ago, alibongo said: You realise he is a -----? He and Farage should be forced to live with each other, so they can learn what a ----- is. That is Jacob Rees Mogg well respected Member of in the House of Parliament, respected by both sides for being well versed on Parliamentary constitutional affairs, Also well known for being a great orator in the the house. Edited January 10, 2017 by stevewinn 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevewinn Posted January 10, 2017 #2131 Share Posted January 10, 2017 8 hours ago, Manfred von Dreidecker said: UK 'first in line' for US trade deal, Trump's team tell Boris Look where it's from, Ali! Very encouraging signs coming from Trump and Washington. A US-UK trade deal would be a priority, Senate Foreign Relations Committee chairman Bob Corker said after meeting Foreign Secretary Boris Johnson. The USA is the UK's single biggest Trade Partner in goods and Services, and the UK's single biggest foreign investor as is the UK in the USA. So mutually beneficial for both. The fact the UK as already signed agreements on importing oil and gas from the US allowing for better energy security and establishing new services between our countries this will boost both our economies and create jobs, and once the Panama canal expansion and upgrade is complete it will see more trade criss-crossing the North Atlantic. its in stark contrast to out going President Barack Obama who interfered in domestic UK affairs (Referendum) in his speech where he stated "the UK would be at the back of the queue for trade deals if voters chose Brexit" On trade deals, similar sounds are coming from Australia, who want a Free trade agreement with the UK and hint a deal could be done within 15 months. A similar deal but within a shorter space of time can be struck with Canada, after all (as exists) Canada and the UK meet the exact standards today. The future of a USA, Canada (North America) to United Kingdom (Europe) to the Asia-Pacific, India, S.Korea, Japan, Singapore, andChina, encompassing also the Oceania regions Australia & New Zealand. etc.. means Global trade, capital and investment will flow between the financial centres of the world, bringing a diversity to economies which would help avoid recessions and economic downturns in the future; The fact USA, Canada, India, Singapore, Malaysia, Australia & New Zealand have legal systems based on Common Law makes the shared process much, much easier for administrative and businesses Law leading to market avenues with ease of investment, the added bonus is 6 of the 7 are members of the Commonwealth, so established diplomatic links exist already between those members governments. That is the ambition of a Great Britain with a Global outlook. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skookum Posted January 10, 2017 #2132 Share Posted January 10, 2017 Poor old Alibongo, even the hardest Labour remainer (Jeremy Corbyn) sees cheap European labour as exploitation. He would also want the minimum wage to rise to £10 an hour. OMG even the most hardened EU supporters and going to cause the price of fruit, veg and taxi's to soar. The wheels continue to come off their argument the longer it goes on. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alibongo Posted January 12, 2017 Author #2133 Share Posted January 12, 2017 The UK will soon re-join the EU, so all this discussion will be pointless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Commander Travis Posted January 12, 2017 #2134 Share Posted January 12, 2017 Does that mean that you're giving up because you believe your job is done? Well ok, you believe that if you like if it makes you happy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
itsnotoutthere Posted January 12, 2017 #2135 Share Posted January 12, 2017 15 minutes ago, alibongo said: The UK will soon re-join the EU, so all this discussion will be pointless. Well you're half right, this discussion is pointless. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevewinn Posted January 12, 2017 #2136 Share Posted January 12, 2017 Alibongo the Remain argument is Dead, your copy and paste campaign is defunct. In the News today, - The EU has more to lose from Brexit than the UK, the Governor of the Bank of England has said, as he admitted that Britain's economy will grow at a faster rate than expected. Official Figures yet again confirm the UK Economy ended 2016 on a high, with factories and exporters booming in November. Likely 0.5% GDP growth in Q4. On the Daily Politics show today with Andrew Neil - Brexit boost as president-elect Donald J. Trump's new ambassador to the EU Ted Malloch tells Andrew Neil that "the UK is now at the front of the queue" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
likwidlite Posted January 12, 2017 #2137 Share Posted January 12, 2017 With the Brexit not turning out to be the doom and gloom predicted and quite the opposite in many cases. What are the chances of the Indi and Guardian getting on board and saying "Hey, you know what, let's make this work"? The Guardian seems a little more grounded and is more likely to post positive news. The Indi I'm not so sure about. What was once a decent paper seems to have gotten so confused with what it stands for it doesn't know whether its coming or going. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hetrodoxly Posted January 12, 2017 #2138 Share Posted January 12, 2017 9 hours ago, alibongo said: The UK will soon re-join the EU, so all this discussion will be pointless. What you've said on this thread could have been put on one post, you've just repeated the same nonsense post after post. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Commander Travis Posted January 13, 2017 #2139 Share Posted January 13, 2017 14 hours ago, likwidlite said: The Guardian seems a little more grounded and is more likely to post positive news. That does seem to be true. I have seen some reasonably even-handed, or at any rate not outright propaganda pieces in there, which may be why Ali selects everything from the Independent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.United_Nations Posted January 13, 2017 #2140 Share Posted January 13, 2017 21 hours ago, alibongo said: The UK will soon re-join the EU, so all this discussion will be pointless. And whos gunna fund that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevewinn Posted January 13, 2017 #2141 Share Posted January 13, 2017 press conference today. New Zealand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
likwidlite Posted January 14, 2017 #2142 Share Posted January 14, 2017 Special deal for London. http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/europe-special-deal-city-of-london-brexit-talk-michel-barnier-eu-withdrawal-banking-financial-sector-a7526946.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevewinn Posted January 14, 2017 #2143 Share Posted January 14, 2017 32 minutes ago, likwidlite said: Special deal for London. http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/europe-special-deal-city-of-london-brexit-talk-michel-barnier-eu-withdrawal-banking-financial-sector-a7526946.html How much is the EU going to pay us for access to our single market and Financial centre? that's the question i want answering! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevewinn Posted January 15, 2017 #2144 Share Posted January 15, 2017 If we are to believe what's reportedly going to be in Theresa Mays' speech on Tuesday, - IE: Leave the EU, and Single Market. Today we had a hint that this may actually be true, as the chancellor as come out in a interview with the following: He will make Britain the tax haven of Europe if the EU refuses to agree a reasonable Brexit deal: “If we have no access to the European market, if we are closed off, if Britain were to leave the European Union without an agreement on market access, then we could suffer from economic damage at least in the short-term. In this case, we could be forced to change our economic model and we will have to change our model to regain competitiveness. And you can be sure we will do whatever we have to do. The British people are not going to lie down and say, too bad, we’ve been wounded. We will change our model, and we will come back, and we will be competitively engaged.” https://www.welt.de/english-news/article161182946/Philip-Hammond-issues-threat-to-EU-partners.html That's more like it from our Leaders. a bit of tough talk we've had seven months of threats from the EU without response from the UK Gov. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Commander Travis Posted January 16, 2017 #2145 Share Posted January 16, 2017 Any opinions on this, Ali (wherever you've got to) or Cap'n? Donald Trump says UK 'doing great' after Brexit vote - BBC News and Among the numerous topics covered in the Bild interview, he called NATO obsolete, predicted that other European Union members would join the U.K. in leaving the bloc and threatened BMW with import duties over a planned plant in Mexico, according to a Sunday interview granted to Germany’s Bild newspaper that will raise concerns in Berlin over trans-Atlantic relations. Furthermore, in his first "exclusive" interview in the UK granted to the Sunday Times, Trump said he will offer Britain a quick and “fair” trade deal with America within weeks of taking office to help make Brexit a “great thing”. Trump revealed that he was inviting Theresa May to visit him “right after” he gets into the White House and wants a trade agreement between the two countries secured “very quickly" http://www.zerohedge.com/print/585551 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Commander Travis Posted January 16, 2017 #2146 Share Posted January 16, 2017 He went on to say Germany was a great car producer, borne out by Mercedes Benz cars being a frequent sight in New York, but there was no reciprocity. Germans were not buying Chevrolets at the same rate, he said, making the business relationship an unfair one-way street. Possibly because they're poorly built and outdated? Perhaps that might be a worthwhile project for him to take on; Make American Cars Worth Buying Again! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Area Posted January 16, 2017 #2147 Share Posted January 16, 2017 1 hour ago, Manfred von Dreidecker said: Among the numerous topics covered in the Bild interview, he called NATO obsolete. I hadn't heard the obsolete comment, but I know he had been critical of other members 'not paying their fair share,. this will be one to watch I think. Destabilising NATO could have severe consequences in Eastern Europe if doubt were cast on the US commitment there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevewinn Posted January 16, 2017 #2148 Share Posted January 16, 2017 1 hour ago, Grey Area said: I hadn't heard the obsolete comment, but I know he had been critical of other members 'not paying their fair share,. this will be one to watch I think. Destabilising NATO could have severe consequences in Eastern Europe if doubt were cast on the US commitment there. I think Trump is calling to question the long term decline that is NATO members reducing their Defence spending, many NATO members seem to think its okay to cut Defence spending while expecting the USA to carry the can in any possible shooting war. The US faced its own challenges in defence spending, just this month the US Navy never had a carrier deployed anywhere in the world. - We have to cast our minds back to the NATO summit in Wales, The USA said it can no longer support European security on the levels it had due to the USA's pivot to the Asia-Pacific region, it seen American armour leave Europe, did the European allies step upto the plate and fill in the gap? no, they'd rather promise social spending and benefits to be elected/re-elected. Its happened here in the UK as well, but at least we're trying to step up our commitments on a very limited budget for the tasks required. Atlantic patrol North / South. East of Suez, opening of a Royal Navy Base in Bahrain first overseas base since the 70's which will possibly see one of our new Aircraft carriers based there. Its only since the Russian's rolled into Ukraine some members have upped their game to 2% spending, especially the Baltic countries. I think Trump is right to question it, but i'd be concerned like yourself if he destabilised NATO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Commander Travis Posted January 16, 2017 #2149 Share Posted January 16, 2017 Anyway, never mind brxist, surely this is the most importnant news.. Theresa May to star in spread in US Vogue magazine 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ellapenella Posted January 16, 2017 #2150 Share Posted January 16, 2017 (edited) On 1/12/2017 at 8:33 AM, alibongo said: The UK will soon re-join the EU, so all this discussion will be pointless. He said: “People, countries want their own identity. I believe others will leave.” Mr Trump said he thought that “Brexit is going to end up being a great thing”. The Pound sank last night on fears Mrs May will commit to leaving the single market and the customs union. It collapsed to a three-month low early today as trading opened in Australia and New Zealand, falling below $1.20 for the first time since October’s Tory conference. But Mr Trump welcomed the fall in the value of the Pound for having helped to boost the attractiveness of British products abroad. The prospect of such a close relationship between the US and the UK will pile pressure on the EU ahead of the Brexit negotiations. By STEVE HAWKES, Deputy Political Editor 15th January 2017, 10:01 pm Edited January 16, 2017 by Ellapennella Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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