stevewinn Posted January 17, 2017 #2151 Share Posted January 17, 2017 theresa may speech live http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/live/bbctwo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.United_Nations Posted January 17, 2017 #2152 Share Posted January 17, 2017 Very firm and no hesitsting on her speech. Tim Farron's reaction does not surprise me, hes still trying somehow to reject brexit 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Commander Travis Posted January 17, 2017 #2153 Share Posted January 17, 2017 Teresa May says the road ahead will be tough at times, but walk on, through the storm, With your head held high, And don't be afraid of the dark. Walk on, Walk o-o-o-on, With hope in your hearts And you'll never walk alone. Now back to Ian in the studio with the weather. Thank you, Alan. Dreary. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevewinn Posted January 18, 2017 #2154 Share Posted January 18, 2017 22 hours ago, Mr.United_Nations said: Very firm and no hesitsting on her speech. Tim Farron's reaction does not surprise me, hes still trying somehow to reject brexit Tim Farrons reaction proves the speech was perfect. This is the same Tim Farron who voted through the Referendum 2015 bill, voted in the first and second sitting and never turned up for the third. But ultimately he voted yes to pass the referendum bill. He was happy voting yes when he thought he'd be on the winning side having gone against him he now cries. In Related News: Unemployment down again to 1.6Million. Unemployment falls by 52,000 to 1.6 million in the three months to November -- latest official figs. 31.80million people in work, 294,000 up on year. 23.25m working full-time, 209,000 up on year. 8.55 million working part-time, 86,000 up on year. Unemployment rate was 4.8%, down from 5.1% for a year earlier. Lowest since July to September 2005. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Monk Posted January 18, 2017 #2155 Share Posted January 18, 2017 (edited) Why is the Shadow Brexit Secretary, Keir Starmer, anti-Brexit? That would be like the Shadow Education Secretary being anti-education. Edited January 18, 2017 by Black Monk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Monk Posted January 18, 2017 #2156 Share Posted January 18, 2017 7 hours ago, stevewinn said: Tim Farrons reaction proves the speech was perfect. This is the same Tim Farron who voted through the Referendum 2015 bill, voted in the first and second sitting and never turned up for the third. But ultimately he voted yes to pass the referendum bill. He was happy voting yes when he thought he'd be on the winning side having gone against him he now cries. In Related News: Unemployment down again to 1.6Million. Unemployment falls by 52,000 to 1.6 million in the three months to November -- latest official figs. 31.80million people in work, 294,000 up on year. 23.25m working full-time, 209,000 up on year. 8.55 million working part-time, 86,000 up on year. Unemployment rate was 4.8%, down from 5.1% for a year earlier. Lowest since July to September 2005. Shouldn't have to worry about Tim and the Lib Dumbs. They're non-entities. As for May, I was impressed with her speech yesterday and am now confident than ever that the Government will deliver full Brexit. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Commander Travis Posted January 20, 2017 #2157 Share Posted January 20, 2017 Cap'n and Ali seem to have given up, but this was in the News today: First 'Silk Road' train from China to Britain arrives in London after a marathon 7,500-mile journey Train pulled in to Barking in East London after an 18-day journey from Yiwu It passed Kazakhstan, Russia, Belarus, Poland, Germany, Belgium and France The arrival marking a fresh milestone in China's push to build commercial links across Europe and Asia Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-4132308/First-freight-train-China-Britain-arrives-London.html#ixzz4WI9CkUqd Follow us: @MailOnline on Twitter | DailyMail on Facebook Brexist will lead to isolation from the world and all the Brits will have to live in mud huts and pick their own fruit. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bee Posted January 20, 2017 #2158 Share Posted January 20, 2017 . and just in case anyone was wondering -- this is where the Monster Raving Loony Party stands on Brexit -- http://www.loonyparty.com/1714/5669/brexit/ quote ~~ Brexit.. It seems that many are not happy with the way Brexit is going and want a referendum on every dot and comma..The discussion goes further to decide whether we should have a Hard Brexit, or a Soft Brexit. Loony Party policy on this is clear..we prefer Al dente Brexit. Although Ready Brexit was an option…. . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Commander Travis Posted January 20, 2017 #2159 Share Posted January 20, 2017 Is Tresa May offering Nicely Firm Brexit? I'd go for that like a shot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skookum Posted January 21, 2017 #2160 Share Posted January 21, 2017 (edited) On 16/01/2017 at 8:13 AM, Manfred von Dreidecker said: He went on to say Germany was a great car producer, borne out by Mercedes Benz cars being a frequent sight in New York, but there was no reciprocity. Germans were not buying Chevrolets at the same rate, he said, making the business relationship an unfair one-way street. Possibly because they're poorly built and outdated? Perhaps that might be a worthwhile project for him to take on; Make American Cars Worth Buying Again! American cars are not as bad as some make out. They are not cutting edge by no means but work well on American roads. They don't last anywhere near as long as the German marques but cost far less. German cars sell in the US for the same reason as in the UK, badge snobbery. An executive car in the UK has to be a BMW or Mercedes minimum by industry standard. However from first hand experience when one has been not available customers who have had to so call downgrade and have a top of the line Citroen have found the car far more comfortable than an E-class. The S-class Mercedes still suffers from surface corrosion problems after 5 years, this is a 90k motor in full spec!! I drive an old Merc myself, it is a nice enough car that came up at the right price. It is a nice enough car but wouldn't pay a massive premium for the badge. I had a situation 10 years back when I worked for a cosmetics giant. My company car, a Vauxhall was damage in the company car park. I needed to get home as I had a 60 mile trip and the company had a range of pool cars. Unfortunately they were all Audis and Mercs, after giving me the keys to an A4 they were taken off me an hour later as a lady had complained that Audi's were management level above mine. So they hired me a Peugeot so not to offend anyone. Snobbery at its finest. Edited January 21, 2017 by skookum 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevewinn Posted January 21, 2017 #2161 Share Posted January 21, 2017 20 minutes ago, skookum said: American cars are not as bad as some make out. They are not cutting edge by no means but work well on American roads. They don't last anywhere near as long as the German marques but cost far less. German cars sell in the US for the same reason as in the UK, badge snobbery. An executive car in the UK has to be a BMW or Mercedes minimum by industry standard. However from first hand experience when one has been available customers who have had to so call downgrade and have a top of the line Citroen have found the car far more comfortable than an E-class. The S-class Mercedes still suffers from surface corrosion problems after 5 years, this is a 90k motor in full spec!! I drive an old Merc myself, it is a nice enough car that came up at the right price. It is a nice enough car but wouldn't pay a massive premium for the badge. I had a situation 10 years back when I worked for a cosmetics giant. My company car, a Vauxhall was damage in the company car park. I needed to get home as I had a 60 mile trip and the company had a range of pool cars. Unfortunately they were all Audis and Mercs, after giving me the keys to an A4 they were taken off me an hour later as a lady had complained that Audi's were management level above mine. So they hired me a Peugeot so not to offend anyone. Snobbery at its finest. I hope you refused the Peugeot. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stiff Posted January 21, 2017 #2162 Share Posted January 21, 2017 14 minutes ago, skookum said: American cars are not as bad as some make out. They are not cutting edge by no means but work well on American roads. They don't last anywhere near as long as the German marques but cost far less. German cars sell in the US for the same reason as in the UK, badge snobbery. An executive car in the UK has to be a BMW or Mercedes minimum by industry standard. However from first hand experience when one has been available customers who have had to so call downgrade and have a top of the line Citroen have found the car far more comfortable than an E-class. The S-class Mercedes still suffers from surface corrosion problems after 5 years, this is a 90k motor in full spec!! I drive an old Merc myself, it is a nice enough car that came up at the right price. It is a nice enough car but wouldn't pay a massive premium for the badge. I agree with most of this except the badge snobbery. An awful lot of people buy the German cars (me included) because of the build quality and reliability. (I had an S-Class with 285,000 miles on the clock and it still drove better than most newer cars.) The Japanese are right up there with reliability too but just lack that build quality that the Germans are so good at. French? I'm not sure they know what build quality or reliability mean. Each model should be called 'Merd'. I think in the UK more people would drive US cars if it weren't for the fuel consumption and insurance costs. I'd be trading our VW and Audi in for a Camaro and a Hellcat. You can't beat the sound of a good old Hemi. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skookum Posted January 21, 2017 #2163 Share Posted January 21, 2017 9 minutes ago, stevewinn said: I hope you refused the Peugeot. I took it like a man and drove it. Got me from A to B. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skookum Posted January 21, 2017 #2164 Share Posted January 21, 2017 2 minutes ago, Stiff said: I agree with most of this except the badge snobbery. An awful lot of people buy the German cars (me included) because of the build quality and reliability. (I had an S-Class with 285,000 miles on the clock and it still drove better than most newer cars.) The Japanese are right up there with reliability too but just lack that build quality that the Germans are so good at. French? I'm not sure they know what build quality or reliability mean. Each model should be called 'Merd'. I think in the UK more people would drive US cars if it weren't for the fuel consumption and insurance costs. I'd be trading our VW and Audi in for a Camaro and a Hellcat. You can't beat the sound of a good old Hemi. S-class is a lovely car with a huge price tag but becomes uneconomically viable a few years down the line if it develops a fault. The latest top of the range Mondeo is far superior in comfort, equipment and running costs than a BMW base 3-series. Yet the BMW often out sells the Mondeo. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stiff Posted January 21, 2017 #2165 Share Posted January 21, 2017 3 minutes ago, skookum said: S-class is a lovely car with a huge price tag but becomes uneconomically viable a few years down the line if it develops a fault. The latest top of the range Mondeo is far superior in comfort, equipment and running costs than a BMW base 3-series. Yet the BMW often out sells the Mondeo. Actually, the one I had was pretty cheap as I bought it off an old boss who was a bit of a car collector and it was probably one of the most reliable cars I'd ever had for it's age but yeah, I get exactly where you're coming from when the time comes for repairs. As for the Mondeo/BMW, you're right. That is a prime example of badge snobbery and 'keeping up with the Joneses'. Surprisingly, some people are so brand-loyal that they won't even contemplate looking at other choices available. South Korea have really upped their game these past few years yet people avoid them like the plague. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skookum Posted January 22, 2017 #2166 Share Posted January 22, 2017 15 hours ago, Stiff said: Actually, the one I had was pretty cheap as I bought it off an old boss who was a bit of a car collector and it was probably one of the most reliable cars I'd ever had for it's age but yeah, I get exactly where you're coming from when the time comes for repairs. As for the Mondeo/BMW, you're right. That is a prime example of badge snobbery and 'keeping up with the Joneses'. Surprisingly, some people are so brand-loyal that they won't even contemplate looking at other choices available. South Korea have really upped their game these past few years yet people avoid them like the plague. When you think about it a lot of automotive innovation does not start in Germany. Every diesel car produced now is of common rail configuration. That was invented by Fiat in the 1990's who failed to patent it and Bosch sold it to the German's and everyone else. In fact they came out so fast I wouldn't be at all surprised if the technology was being leaked much earlier. Fiat are also at the forefront of Twin Air and camless petrol engines which they have promised to patent after the last fiasco. Citroen developed the hydraulic suspension which I have seen used on Rolls Royce, Bentley and I am pretty sure the S-Class uses a variant. I am not knocking the German's and I am sure there are equally important designs they have come up with, however car development is not solely a German industry. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stiff Posted January 22, 2017 #2167 Share Posted January 22, 2017 4 hours ago, skookum said: When you think about it a lot of automotive innovation does not start in Germany. Every diesel car produced now is of common rail configuration. That was invented by Fiat in the 1990's who failed to patent it and Bosch sold it to the German's and everyone else. In fact they came out so fast I wouldn't be at all surprised if the technology was being leaked much earlier. Fiat are also at the forefront of Twin Air and camless petrol engines which they have promised to patent after the last fiasco. Citroen developed the hydraulic suspension which I have seen used on Rolls Royce, Bentley and I am pretty sure the S-Class uses a variant. I am not knocking the German's and I am sure there are equally important designs they have come up with, however car development is not solely a German industry. Fully agree with everything you state there and yes, the S-Class did indeed have a variation on the theme although I think it was 'air' rather than hydraulic if I recall. Ironically, my step father was extremely brand-loyal to the Fiat marque for many, many years until I persuaded him to try something Japanese or German so that he would at least be able manage to make it to work for a full week without breakdown. He bought a Nissan. He's had that car longer now than all of the others put together and it's never let him down once. The thing with the Japanese is that they are extremely good at taking someone else's ideas, refining them, making them more affordable but more importantly, 'reliable'. The thing with the Germans is the build quality as well as the reliabilty. Perfection is in their culture and work ethic and it shows. Their engineering is renowned worldwide and for that you pay a higher price, expectedly. If only the British car production workers of the 70's and 80's had that same kind of pride in their work we could still have been a major player in that industry. Quick example of even the most basic German engineering... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Commander Travis Posted January 22, 2017 #2168 Share Posted January 22, 2017 Just don't, like with the war, mention the NSU Ro80 .... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stiff Posted January 22, 2017 #2169 Share Posted January 22, 2017 8 minutes ago, Manfred von Dreidecker said: Just don't, like with the war, mention the NSU Ro80 .... Wankel's, the lot of 'em Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Hammerclaw Posted January 22, 2017 #2170 Share Posted January 22, 2017 (edited) I remember reading about and American auto manufacturing expert visiting a Japanese factory in the '70s to understand why the Japanese autos were so problem free. After walking around the assembly line he became puzzled by something he didn't see. Finally, he ask his Japanese guide: "Where are your repair bays?" The guide replied: "We don't have repair bays." Flustered, he ask the guide what they did with cars with defective parts. He was floored when the guide replied: "We don't have defective parts". As it turned out, the Japanese had instituted a policy of quality control starting with their suppliers right up to the finished product. No deviation was tolerated. Edited January 22, 2017 by Hammerclaw 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spud the mackem Posted January 22, 2017 #2171 Share Posted January 22, 2017 1 hour ago, Hammerclaw said: I remember reading about and American auto manufacturing expert visiting a Japanese factory in the '70s to understand why the Japanese autos were so problem free. After walking around the assembly line he became puzzled by something he didn't see. Finally, he ask his Japanese guide: "Where are your repair bays?" The guide replied: "We don't have repair bays." Flustered, he ask the guide what they did with cars with defective parts. He was floored when the guide replied: "We don't have defective parts". As it turned out, the Japanese had instituted a policy of quality control starting with their suppliers right up to the finished product. No deviation was tolerated. And that's why Japanese cars are built under licence in the U.K...Nissan...Honda ..and Toyota 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bee Posted January 23, 2017 #2172 Share Posted January 23, 2017 . when you think about it --- the open borders and free movement of people around the EU countries is a criminal's dream situation.. Child traffickers, people smugglers, drug and weapons traffickers, pedophile rings, terrorist's and money laundering..? Can we really trust people in influential positions in the EU hierarchy, when they hold such a lot of concentrated power.? Criminal types are going to get themselves in influential positions - top positions if possible, to facilitate criminal activity and protect Their Own - I'm not pointing the finger at anyone in particular - because in reality it could be anyone or no one - Just saying that when the Remainers are so enthusiastic to have the Single Market which means open borders and free movement of people (including criminals) --- is this something they have even considered...? . 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alibongo Posted January 23, 2017 Author #2173 Share Posted January 23, 2017 Quote Brexit to cut wages by up to 30% over next 2 decades (okay, I know money isn't everything):http://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/brexit-guy-hands-says-cut-wages-30-percent-twenty-years-private-equity-a7540986.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Commander Travis Posted January 23, 2017 #2174 Share Posted January 23, 2017 Oh, you're back. Been protesting about Tr*mp? Anyway, good to see you have something new to say and not just repeating some grab-a-figure-out-of-the-air scare story that something or other is going to go up or down by 30% and we'll all be living in mud huts in 30 years time from the Ind*p*nd*nt. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skookum Posted January 23, 2017 #2175 Share Posted January 23, 2017 3 hours ago, alibongo said: Brexit to cut wages by up to 30% over next 2 decades (okay, I know money isn't everything):http://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/brexit-guy-hands-says-cut-wages-30-percent-twenty-years-private-equity-a7540986.html Shock another vested interest predicts financial collapse. Yet these are the ones who want open boarders to flood the labour market and keep wages low due to supply and demand. Fact is the only people moaning about wages are the elite that will have to pay more when their legalised slavery (e.g its ok for my workers to sleep 10 to a 3 bed house) will have to cough up. Don't you find it strange the loudest voices from Brexit and Trump being elected are the super rich? Are the wheels falling off their wagons that with wealth up till now they have demanded power. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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