Brexit

[stevewinn]

5 hours ago, alibongo said:

Brexit to cut wages by up to 30% over next 2 decades (okay, I know money isn't everything):http://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/brexit-guy-hands-says-cut-wages-30-percent-twenty-years-private-equity-a7540986.html

Alibongo is getting more desperate as he quotes a piece from a ex-goldman sachs, off shore tax dodger, typical elitist and obviously moving into the field of clairvoyance with his 20 year prediction. - If he was so good at predictions he'd have seen the 2007/08 credit crisis and not lost £1.5Billion including EMI which was repossessed in 2011. (Yes listen to him)

[bee]

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close to the Supreme Court announcement now --- in about half an hour

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-politics-38723261

 

Summary

1. Supreme Court judgement at 09:30 GMT
2. Decision is on how Brexit process begins
3. Campaigners say MPs must vote first
4. Ministers say referendum gave go-ahead
5. Watch decision live via video tab above

[bee]

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as was more or less expected the vote went against the government ... 8 - 3

and an act of parliament will have to be enacted to trigger Article 50 

but the devolved assemblies of Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland do not have to be consulted

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[bee]

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my opinion is that if the government cannot get Brexit through reflecting what the majority voted for -

knowingly voted for --- then Teresa May will have to call a General Election because so called
'soft' Brexit that involves staying in the single market and all that comes with that is NOT what the majority
voted for -

some MPs are so disingenuous trying to slip and slide around what the referendum result meant that they
are self deluded at best and downright dishonest at worst 

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[Mr.United_Nations]

44 minutes ago, bee said:

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as was more or less expected the vote went against the government ... 8 - 3

and an act of parliament will have to be enacted to trigger Article 50 

but the devolved assemblies of Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland do not have to be consulted

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Ha so much for SNP and the Welsh parliment! 

[Essan]

2 hours ago, bee said:

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as was more or less expected the vote went against the government ... 8 - 3

and an act of parliament will have to be enacted to trigger Article 50 

but the devolved assemblies of Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland do not have to be consulted

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Ah, but Sturgeon has a cunning plan!   She's still going to hold a vote in Holyrood one whether they want to leave the EU, and she's going to get all her gang members to vote NO!.  That's show 'em 

 

2 hours ago, bee said:

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my opinion is that if the government cannot get Brexit through reflecting what the majority voted for -

knowingly voted for --- then Teresa May will have to call a General Election because so called
'soft' Brexit that involves staying in the single market and all that comes with that is NOT what the majority
voted for -

some MPs are so disingenuous trying to slip and slide around what the referendum result meant that they
are self deluded at best and downright dishonest at worst 

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No, we voted on whether or not we wanted the UK to leave the EU.  That's it.

There was no reference as to what this might entail (if we choose to leave) nor whether we might still remain in the single market or any other institutions/agreements. 

Of course, some individuals - campaigning for or against leaving the EU - may well have said it would entail this that or t'other.  But they were expressing only their personal opinions and only the PM could make any statement on the issue from authority.  Admitedly, it later transpired that most people didn't realise this at the time.  And thought anything a Leave campaigner said would happen (or vice versa).   But as they say, ignorance (and stupidity) are no excuse in the eyes of the law

[alibongo]

Once again the elite show their contempt:ttp://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4150822/Judges-ruling-PM-executive-powers-trigger-Brexit.html

What makes these so-called Supreme Court judges think they know more about the law than the average Brexit voter, anyway?

[ExpandMyMind]

1 minute ago, alibongo said:

Once again the elite show their contempt:ttp://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4150822/Judges-ruling-PM-executive-powers-trigger-Brexit.html

What makes these so-called Supreme Court judges think they know more about the law than the average Brexit voter, anyway?

Lol? I think this is terrible news for those who voted to leave, but are you actually serious with that question? I mean surely that's some sort of troll or something. What makes judges think they know more about the law than the uneducated masses? You must be trolling with that. Their entire career is based on the law.

[alibongo]

5 minutes ago, ExpandMyMind said:

Lol? I think this is terrible news for those who voted to leave, but are you actually serious with that question? I mean surely that's some sort of troll or something. What makes judges think they know more about the law than the uneducated masses? You must be trolling with that. Their entire career is based on the law.

It is satire.

But there is hope:http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/news/science-technology/synthetic-dna-could-create-brexiter-who-is-not-a-bellend-20170124120857

[bee]

24 minutes ago, Essan said:

Ah, but Sturgeon has a cunning plan!   She's still going to hold a vote in Holyrood one whether they want to leave the EU, and she's going to get all her gang members to vote NO!.  That's show 'em 

 

No, we voted on whether or not we wanted the UK to leave the EU.  That's it.

There was no reference as to what this might entail (if we choose to leave) nor whether we might still remain in the single market or any other institutions/agreements. 

Of course, some individuals - campaigning for or against leaving the EU - may well have said it would entail this that or t'other.  But they were expressing only their personal opinions and only the PM could make any statement on the issue from authority.  Admitedly, it later transpired that most people didn't realise this at the time.  And thought anything a Leave campaigner said would happen (or vice versa).   But as they say, ignorance (and stupidity) are no excuse in the eyes of the law

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i suppose we are going to see a LOT this kind of convoluted argument ..... in essence >>>

"....ahhhhh but maybe we just wanted to HALF leave the EU, not actually LEAVE, leave..."

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[Mr.United_Nations]

20 minutes ago, ExpandMyMind said:

Lol? I think this is terrible news for those who voted to leave, but are you actually serious with that question? I mean surely that's some sort of troll or something. What makes judges think they know more about the law than the uneducated masses? You must be trolling with that. Their entire career is based on the law.

I wish there will be protests if the parliment reverses.

[Black Monk]

Something like 56% of the British people disagree with the Supreme Court's ruling according to a brand new poll. Still, Brexit will still go ahead and Article 50 will still be triggered by the end of March, so nothing much changes (because woe betide politicians if parliament overturns a democratic decision by the British people. There'd be a political and social shitstorm).

Also, the UK has been bid farewell in Slovakia:

'Goodbye Britain': European artists give UK a cheeky Brexit farewell in a Union Jack message on a frozen lake 

The massive farewell gesture was painted on a privately owned lake in the village of Hrabove near the town of Bytca in northern Slovakia. Pictures of the design emerged as top British judges ruled by a margin of 8-3 that the British government cannot use executive powers to begin the formal process of leaving the EU. The pro-European artists used food colouring dispensed from watering cans to dye the message and flag in the 193,750 sq ft design

[Black Monk]

 

29 minutes ago, bee said:

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i suppose we are going to see a LOT this kind of convoluted argument ..... in essence >>>

"....ahhhhh but maybe we just wanted to HALF leave the EU, not actually LEAVE, leave..."

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What annoys me is those Remainers, such as Dim Farron, who say that the British people did not necessarily vote to leave the Single Market - that such an option was "not on the ballot paper."

Yet the people DID vote to leave the Single Market. We were told time and against during the referendum campaign by Call Me Dave and Boy George that "a vote to leave the EU is a vote to leave the Single Market." So the leaders of the Remain camp themselves said a vote to leave means leaving the Single Market - but now the Remainers are trying to tell us that we didn't vote to leave the Single Market! It's a load of cobblers. And that is why May is RIGHT to say she will take us out of the Single Market.

Edited January 24, 2017 by Black Monk

[Essan]

39 minutes ago, Black Monk said:

We were told time and against during the referendum campaign by Call Me Dave and Boy George that "a vote to leave the EU is a vote to leave the Single Market."

And what did they do next day?  Run wailing out of the nursery taking their toys with them, never to be seen again (unless you want to pay £5,000).  

Since I didn't watch Britain's Got No Politrical Talent in Europe I have no idea what the contestants may have said.   Though I concur that if the PM (and only the PM or one of his senior cabinet ministers - not any of the talentless wanabees) made a formal assurance, then that ought to be upheld. 

Nonetheless.  The question on the paper (the one few seem to have read or understood) was about leaving the EU.   Not the Single Market.   Which, like Norway, we could be a member of without having to follow all the dictats of the corrupt Brussels regime (current and future).

[Setton]

1 hour ago, alibongo said:

Once again the elite show their contempt:ttp://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4150822/Judges-ruling-PM-executive-powers-trigger-Brexit.html

What makes these so-called Supreme Court judges think they know more about the law than the average Brexit voter, anyway?

 

1 hour ago, ExpandMyMind said:

Lol? I think this is terrible news for those who voted to leave, but are you actually serious with that question? I mean surely that's some sort of troll or something. What makes judges think they know more about the law than the uneducated masses? You must be trolling with that. Their entire career is based on the law.

 

1 hour ago, alibongo said:

It is satire.

But there is hope:http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/news/science-technology/synthetic-dna-could-create-brexiter-who-is-not-a-bellend-20170124120857

It's a rather worrying sign of the times that it's genuinely difficult to determine what are people's actual opinions and what is satire. I have come across people making the exact same statement you did in all seriousness.

1 hour ago, Black Monk said:

Something like 56% of the British people disagree with the Supreme Court's ruling according to a brand new poll. Still, Brexit will still go ahead and Article 50 will still be triggered by the end of March, so nothing much changes (because woe betide politicians if parliament overturns a democratic decision by the British people. There'd be a political and social shitstorm)

And we all know how reliable polls are after last year  Incidentally, there was also one recently showing that the majority of the British people want to remain in the single market. Should that be respected then?

[ExpandMyMind]

It's Poe's Law, Setton.

[Setton]

8 minutes ago, ExpandMyMind said:

It's Poe's Law, Setton.

Not come across that one before. Nice.

Not sure if I should  be comforted or even more worried that it's been around for a while though.

[ExpandMyMind]

16 minutes ago, Setton said:

Not come across that one before. Nice.

Not sure if I should  be comforted or even more worried that it's been around for a while though.

You'll now be surprised by how often it applies to posts you read.

[Black Monk]

55 minutes ago, Essan said:

And what did they do next day?  Run wailing out of the nursery taking their toys with them, never to be seen again (unless you want to pay £5,000).  

Since I didn't watch Britain's Got No Politrical Talent in Europe I have no idea what the contestants may have said.   Though I concur that if the PM (and only the PM or one of his senior cabinet ministers - not any of the talentless wanabees) made a formal assurance, then that ought to be upheld. 

Nonetheless.  The question on the paper (the one few seem to have read or understood) was about leaving the EU.   Not the Single Market.   Which, like Norway, we could be a member of without having to follow all the dictats of the corrupt Brussels regime (current and future).

When the British people voted for Brexit (or "hard Brexit" as the Remoaners have called it since they lost ) they voted, simply, for Brexit - that means a full withdrawal from the EU including the Single Market.

Proof of this can be seen in this poll taken after May's Brexit speech a week ago: 51% of Britons want the UK out of the Single Market, with 39% wanting to stay in: http://www.breitbart.com/london/2017/01/19/poll-brits-back-leaving-eu-single-market-mays-brexit-speech/

[Black Monk]

54 minutes ago, Setton said:

 

And we all know how reliable polls are after last year  Incidentally, there was also one recently showing that the majority of the British people want to remain in the single market. Should that be respected then?

That was most likely taken before Mrs May's brilliant Brexit speech a week ago.

"Whilst slightly more people wished to prioritise the Single Market before controlling borders, the gap had narrowed significantly since October, indicating that public opinion was moving towards a “hard-Brexit” detached from the market."

http://www.breitbart.com/london/2017/01/19/poll-brits-back-leaving-eu-single-market-mays-brexit-speech/

Edited January 24, 2017 by Black Monk

[bee]

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Philip Hammond tweets ---

"Govt is determined to deliver on ref decision & respects court’s decision today. We will shortly introduce legislation to invoke Article 50."

https://twitter.com/PHammondMP

 

[Black Monk]

1 minute ago, bee said:

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Philip Hammond tweets ---

"Govt is determined to deliver on ref decision & respects court’s decision today. We will shortly introduce legislation to invoke Article 50."

https://twitter.com/PHammondMP

 

Brexit negotiations could begin as early as next week.

Edited January 24, 2017 by Black Monk

[Setton]

25 minutes ago, Black Monk said:

That was most likely taken before Mrs May's brilliant Brexit speech a week ago.

"Whilst slightly more people wished to prioritise the Single Market before controlling borders, the gap had narrowed significantly since October, indicating that public opinion was moving towards a “hard-Brexit” detached from the market."

http://www.breitbart.com/london/2017/01/19/poll-brits-back-leaving-eu-single-market-mays-brexit-speech/

Think it was quite recent but I'll admit I don't have a source to hand. But I wouldn't rely on Breitbart for this. Or, you know, anything.

[Essan]

27 minutes ago, Black Monk said:

When the British people voted for Brexit (or "hard Brexit" as the Remoaners have called it since they lost ) they voted, simply, for Brexit - that means a full withdrawal from the EU including the Single Market.

Proof of this can be seen in this poll taken after May's Brexit speech a week ago: 51% of Britons want the UK out of the Single Market, with 39% wanting to stay in: http://www.breitbart.com/london/2017/01/19/poll-brits-back-leaving-eu-single-market-mays-brexit-speech/

I voted on the actual question, not what I wanted the question to be, or what some dumb celebrity had told mne the question was.

I voted to leave the EU.

And to be honest, finally getting the vote we'd been undemocratically denied for over 25 years was enough for me.   I really don't care what happens now.  

[bee]

13 minutes ago, Essan said:

I voted on the actual question, not what I wanted the question to be, or what some dumb celebrity had told mne the question was.

I voted to leave the EU.

And to be honest, finally getting the vote we'd been undemocratically denied for over 25 years was enough for me.   I really don't care what happens now.  

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well thank you for being honest - but I think you are in a minority of Leave voters about not caring what happens now -

people expect the result to be honored by Parliament ---- not tinkered around with until it's like NOT leaving --

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