Brexit

[Space Commander Travis]

1 hour ago, ExpandMyMind said:

It's Poe's Law, Setton.

What's that then?

[Space Commander Travis]

Anyway I'm bored with the whole fussing about details, it makes no difference to me whether anyone's hard, soft or slightly firm,it's surely the simple yes/no question that was the important thing, everything else is just worrying about details.

Edited January 24, 2017 by Manfred von Dreidecker

[skookum]

I voted for Brexit and am not worried at all about today's decision.

If MP's want to destroy their careers and vote against it so be it, their decision.

Brexit is unstoppable so Gina Miller and friends can look as smug as they like but it is a pointless case in the scheme of things.

The real defeat was Nicola Sturgeons failure to be able to Veto.  That more than likely would have caused chaos.

 

 

[Space Commander Travis]

Just now, skookum said:

If MP's want to destroy their careers and vote against it so be it, their decision.

Well yes exactly, what's an honest hard working MP going to do if they wanted to get reelected? They're going to do what their constituents wanted aren't they. so if they're in an area that was strongly pro-brexit, they'd have to be really committed to their principles (or their belief that they know best) to go against that, aren't they. And since, as Ali always tells us, Brxit was voted for entirely by working class Northerners, even if Jeremy C was to be suicidal enough to insist that they vote against it it'd probably be him that was overthrown before long, and similarly any Tory MP who knows what's good for them would do what the Leader instructed them to. 

[stevewinn]

8 hours ago, bee said:

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as was more or less expected the vote went against the government ... 8 - 3

and an act of parliament will have to be enacted to trigger Article 50 

but the devolved assemblies of Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland do not have to be consulted

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56 minutes ago, skookum said:

I voted for Brexit and am not worried at all about today's decision.

If MP's want to destroy their careers and vote against it so be it, their decision.

Brexit is unstoppable so Gina Miller and friends can look as smug as they like but it is a pointless case in the scheme of things.

The real defeat was Nicola Sturgeons failure to be able to Veto.  That more than likely would have caused chaos.

 

 

I think the nugget that came out was the devolved assemblies of Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland do not have to be consulted. Nicola Sturgeon as been put in her place. her grandstanding halted - She cannot even blame Westminster as it came from the Supreme court. poor Nicola. 

On the verdict. - What this court case as proved beyond a shadow of a doubt was the absorption of the United Kingdom further and further into the EU on a level never disclosed to the public, the tentacles of the EU went beyond simple membership and signatory of treaties, for centuries the royal prerogative as been used to join and leave treaties on the world plane but the fact it was unable to be used in the triggering of article 50 highlights just how the British people have been kept in the dark and duped by successive governments who simply signed us up to EU treaties. - The Supreme court also needed to explain in detail why the referendum act never sufficed. 

The Attorney General needs sacking, his performance of what i seen left a lot to be desired. he's lost two cases on the trot.

Now the Government needs to put a bill before parliment and vote on triggering article 50. There's been a sea change in British Politics lets see if the MP's are aware of it. Parliament has been consulted and vote twice already on the matter, (Referendum Act 2015 & Brexit Timetable 2016) it should be just a formality which should be achievable within a day, going through both houses.

Number 10 Downing Street: government spokesperson said:

The British people voted to leave the EU, and the government will deliver on their verdict – triggering Article 50, as planned, by the end of March. Today’s ruling does nothing to change that.

It’s important to remember that Parliament backed the referendum by a margin of 6 to 1 and has already indicated its support for getting on with the process of exit to the timetable we have set out.

We respect the Supreme Court’s decision, and will set out our next steps to Parliament shortly.

Brexit continues........

 

 

 

 

 

 

[alibongo]

Due to the damage Brexit has done to the economy, British people are now applying for jobs in Poland - and this is not one of my spoof sites, it is MSN:http://www.msn.com/en-gb/money/news/british-people-are-now-applying-for-jobs-in-poland/ar-AAmaWd1?li=BBoPOOl&ocid=uie11msnhpl

Also, Spanish expats will be forced to return to the UK, ,as Spain does not allow dual nationality- and if they were to adopt Spanish nationality, they may lose pension rights, or even right of entry back to UK.

This has all been well thought through hasn't it?

(For the consideration of Brexit voters, that is heavy irony for : it hasn't been thought through).

[Stiff]

3 minutes ago, alibongo said:

Also, Spanish expats will be forced to return to the UK, ,as Spain does not allow dual nationality- and if they were to adopt Spanish nationality, they may lose pension rights, or even right of entry back to UK.

I doubt very much whether people voting on the future of their country would (should?) be bothered about the people who have left it. 

[alibongo]

29 minutes ago, Stiff said:

I doubt very much whether people voting on the future of their country would (should?) be bothered about the people who have left it. 

I take your point, but do you not think they should have had some consideration for the fine details?

Expats may not float your boat, but they are UK citizens.

Do we only consider citizens in the UK mainland to be important? Then why not value EU (Spanish, Polish, for eg) citizens living in the UK over them?

[alibongo]

40 minutes ago, Stiff said:

I doubt very much whether people voting on the future of their country would (should?) be bothered about the people who have left it. 

I very much doubt whether the people who voted Brexit know anything about history, contemporary history, or modern economics.I agree with you, I doubt they would be bothered about anything.

Edited January 24, 2017 by alibongo

[Stiff]

1 minute ago, alibongo said:

I take your point, but do you not think they should have had some consideration for the fine details?

Expats may not float your boat, but they are UK citizens.

On the contrary, I have have some good friends who live in Spain who are very worried and I feel for them. Maybe it came across wrong - what I should have said was that ex-pats were probably not high up (if at all) on the agenda of important considerations when it came to making a decision.  At the end of the day, they were also given the vote (unless they had been there longer than 15 years) so it's not like they were just an afterthought and not given any choice in the matter.

[Stiff]

9 minutes ago, alibongo said:

I very much doubt whether the people who voted Brexit know anything about history, contemporary history, or modern economics.I agree with you, I doubt they would be bothered about anything.

That's an extremely presumptuous and condescending statement to make about more than half of the citizens of this country and you are most certainly not agreeing with me if you are saying they wouldn't be bothered about anything.

[Space Commander Travis]

9 hours ago, alibongo said:

if they were to adopt Spanish nationality, they may lose pension rights, or even right of entry back to UK.

So why should they be worrying? They moved to Spain because it presumably offered a preferable lifestyle, so they should be happy to become citizens of Spain, shouldn't they?

And really,  "may lose right of entry"? That's right, yes, Brexit Britain is going to block any foreign citizens from entering the country, just like Trump's America is going to.  

[Space Commander Travis]

8 hours ago, Stiff said:

That's an extremely presumptuous and condescending statement to make about more than half of the citizens of this country and you are most certainly not agreeing with me if you are saying they wouldn't be bothered about anything.

You'll get used to that with him, that's his modus operandi, sweeping general insults.

[bee]

8 hours ago, Stiff said:

That's an extremely presumptuous and condescending statement to make about more than half of the citizens of this country and you are most certainly not agreeing with me if you are saying they wouldn't be bothered about anything.

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yes Ali Bongo is our Pet Flame Baiting Troll - leader and spokesperson for Remain Camp here --- 

re. Brits living in Spain and other European countries - part of the Brexit negotiations are to try and protect their position
(as I'm sure you know but I'm just saying)

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[bee]

13 hours ago, stevewinn said:

 

Brexit continues........

 

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I feel a musical interlude on it's way---  

 

 

Edited January 25, 2017 by bee
lol bad luck if you didn't see the pre-edit :P

[Essan]

13 hours ago, alibongo said:

I very much doubt whether the people who voted Brexit know anything about history, contemporary history, or modern economics.

True.  Leastways, no more than those who voted Remain.

[Setton]

20 hours ago, Manfred von Dreidecker said:

What's that then?

Google is your friend

[Space Commander Travis]

2 hours ago, Setton said:

Google is your friend

Only because it's bought up all the competition so that they now have a monopoly on friends.

Edited January 25, 2017 by Manfred von Dreidecker

[Setton]

1 hour ago, Manfred von Dreidecker said:

Only because it's bought up all the competition so that they now have a monopoly on friends.

Touche

[Space Commander Travis]

I know it's the done thing to admire Teresa May and all of her Party, but today I just saw a fine example of monumentally stupid blustering idiocy of the now outdated Obama school from the current probably Old Etonian twerp who occupies the distinguished position of Defence Secretary:

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Defence Secretary Michael Fallon said: "We will keep a close eye on the Admiral Kuznetsov as it skulks back to Russia; a ship of shame whose mission has only extended the suffering of the Syrian people.

"We are man-marking these vessels every step of the way around the UK as part of our steadfast commitment to keep Britain safe."

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Honestly, can anyone respect twerps like this?

[alibongo]

There will be a lot to debate in Parliament.
Although both major parties seem wedded to the claim that “the British people have decided to leave”, the British people have done no such thing. At the referendum last June, 37% of those eligible to vote supported Brexit, 35% wanted to remain and 28% did not vote at all – many, in my view, misled by opinion polls indicating a pro-Europe result. Since 63% of the British public did not vote to leave, there would seem plenty for parliament to debate: whether a non-binding referendum should be allowed to produce a further fall in the currency, for example, or diminish human rights.

[Essan]

10 minutes ago, alibongo said:

There will be a lot to debate in Parliament.
Although both major parties seem wedded to the claim that “the British people have decided to leave”, the British people have done no such thing.

On the contrary.  When given the opportunity to vote on the issue, those who chose to take up that oppoprtunity voted by a majority to leave the EU

That is the fact.

Of course, if you wish to argue that almost no government or even MP in history has ever had a popular mandate to exist, thats up to you.   But you do realise how pathetic and childish such arguments make you look?

Then again, I bet you support one of them gangs.   Never did grow up, eh?   Need someone else to tell you what to think?   Hate freewill unless it means everyone agrees with your gang leader?   Eh  

[Essan]

When given the opportunity, 65% of the electorate did not vote to stay in the EU .......

Edited January 25, 2017 by Essan

[bee]

1 hour ago, Manfred von Dreidecker said:

I know it's the done thing to admire Teresa May and all of her Party, but today I just saw a fine example of monumentally stupid blustering idiocy of the now outdated Obama school from the current probably Old Etonian twerp who occupies the distinguished position of Defence Secretary:

"

Defence Secretary Michael Fallon said: "We will keep a close eye on the Admiral Kuznetsov as it skulks back to Russia; a ship of shame whose mission has only extended the suffering of the Syrian people.

"We are man-marking these vessels every step of the way around the UK as part of our steadfast commitment to keep Britain safe."

"

 

Honestly, can anyone respect twerps like this?

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anything to do with Russia seems to be an Achilles Heel for  Western military organizations and they
morph into 13 year old boys playing with their war toys and fantasising of superiority and glory - 

and of course they are sticking to the idiotic propaganda about Syria ---

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[Essan]

To be fair, if Fallon really said that, as quoted, it make him look like a little schoolboy who gets a hard-on when he sees a big ship.   But it has nothing to be with the UK leaving the insular little gang of nations called the EU and embracing the world on its own two feet.