alibongo Posted January 25, 2017 Author #2226 Share Posted January 25, 2017 1 hour ago, Essan said: On the contrary. When given the opportunity to vote on the issue, those who chose to take up that oppoprtunity voted by a majority to leave the EU That is the fact. Of course, if you wish to argue that almost no government or even MP in history has ever had a popular mandate to exist, thats up to you. But you do realise how pathetic and childish such arguments make you look? Then again, I bet you support one of them gangs. Never did grow up, eh? Need someone else to tell you what to think? Hate freewill unless it means everyone agrees with your gang leader? Eh I have said from the first that leaving was a bad move in all respects- especially for the working (or non-working) class. Unfortunately, we will all have to bear the brunt of the referendum decision. Even those like me, who were too complacent to vote. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
likwidlite Posted January 26, 2017 #2227 Share Posted January 26, 2017 Okay, so I'm getting confused, what with all this 'Fake News' going around. The Indi (and Ali) said that the economy would collapse and we'd all be £x worse off. Yet today the same Indi is saying the Economy is growing. Now is the economy collapsing and their lying? Or is the economy growing and they've been lying. Either way, the Indi is publishing lies. Brexit latest: UK economy grows more than expected in final quarter of 2016 http://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/uk-economy-grows-more-than-expected-in-final-quarter-of-2016-a7546801.html 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Monk Posted January 26, 2017 #2228 Share Posted January 26, 2017 35 minutes ago, likwidlite said: Okay, so I'm getting confused, what with all this 'Fake News' going around. The Indi (and Ali) said that the economy would collapse and we'd all be £x worse off. Yet today the same Indi is saying the Economy is growing. Now is the economy collapsing and their lying? Or is the economy growing and they've been lying. Either way, the Indi is publishing lies. Brexit latest: UK economy grows more than expected in final quarter of 2016 http://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/uk-economy-grows-more-than-expected-in-final-quarter-of-2016-a7546801.html Good article about this here: COFFEE HOUSE Don’t listen to the ‘alternative facts’ being spewed out about Britain’s economy http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2017/01/dont-listen-alternative-facts-spewed-britains-economy/ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Monk Posted January 26, 2017 #2229 Share Posted January 26, 2017 And the triggering of Article 50 is on its way! The piece of paper that will decide Britain's destiny: Battle lines drawn for Brexit showdown as PM unveils two paragraph law that could FINALLY trigger Article 50 http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4159654/PM-unveils-law-FINALLY-trigger-Article-50.html?login#readerCommentsCommand-message-field 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevewinn Posted January 26, 2017 #2230 Share Posted January 26, 2017 2 hours ago, Black Monk said: And the triggering of Article 50 is on its way! The piece of paper that will decide Britain's destiny: Battle lines drawn for Brexit showdown as PM unveils two paragraph law that could FINALLY trigger Article 50 http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4159654/PM-unveils-law-FINALLY-trigger-Article-50.html?login#readerCommentsCommand-message-field The squirming from the quislings will start, The SNP stated before the Bill was published they are going to make 50 amendments to the bill. quite where they are going to make 50 amendments from two paragraphs is beyond me. This move by Theresa May as put MP's in a position whereby they have to nail their colours to the mast for all to see - Its going to be interesting. we'll see who we have in our midst. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Commander Travis Posted January 26, 2017 #2231 Share Posted January 26, 2017 3 hours ago, Black Monk said: The piece of paper that will decide Britain's destiny: Oh dear, we've seen that before. Has she been to see the German Chancellor yet? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Commander Travis Posted February 1, 2017 #2232 Share Posted February 1, 2017 Meanwhile, in the Knews today: PM 'tried to get Daily Mail editor sacked' http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-38816692 The proprietor of the Daily Mail told its editor that David Cameron pressed for him to be sacked during the EU referendum, BBC Newsnight has learned. Lord Rothermere told Paul Dacre the prime minister urged him to rein in his pro-Brexit editor, then suggested he sack him, a source told the BBC. From the sectionUK 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bee Posted February 1, 2017 #2233 Share Posted February 1, 2017 On 1/26/2017 at 6:36 PM, stevewinn said: The squirming from the quislings will start, The SNP stated before the Bill was published they are going to make 50 amendments to the bill. quite where they are going to make 50 amendments from two paragraphs is beyond me. This move by Theresa May as put MP's in a position whereby they have to nail their colours to the mast for all to see - Its going to be interesting. we'll see who we have in our midst. . I know my MP is pro Brexit --- but those MPs whose majority of constituents voted to Leave --- but they are intending to oppose the triggering of Article 50 (or try to water it down with amendments) -- they could find themselves under pressure or even demands that they step down as the MP.. not sure how it would work but could they be ousted with a vote of 'no confidence' or something like that..? . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
itsnotoutthere Posted February 1, 2017 #2234 Share Posted February 1, 2017 EU will lose out from bad Brexit deal on City, says leaked report The European commission’s Brexit negotiators must strike a “workable” deal with Theresa May’s government to protect the City of London or the economies of the remaining member states will be damaged, a leaked EU report warns. The document – which has been seen by the Guardian – describes it as critical for the economic health of the remaining member states that the current financial eco-system is not hit in the coming Brexit negotiations. The paper, drawn up by officials working for the European parliament’s powerful committee on economic and monetary affairs (Econ), warns that UK-based financial services account for 40% of Europe’s assets under management and 60% of its capital markets business. “And UK-based banks provide more than £1.1tn of loans to the other EU member states,” the Econ secretariat’s paper notes. link :- https://www.theguardian.com/business/2017/feb/01/eu-brexit-deal-city-leaked-report-european-parliament-article-50 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevewinn Posted February 1, 2017 #2235 Share Posted February 1, 2017 (edited) 6 hours ago, bee said: . I know my MP is pro Brexit --- but those MPs whose majority of constituents voted to Leave --- but they are intending to oppose the triggering of Article 50 (or try to water it down with amendments) -- they could find themselves under pressure or even demands that they step down as the MP.. not sure how it would work but could they be ousted with a vote of 'no confidence' or something like that..? . The MP's who go against the parties three line whip are expelled or suspended by the party, that MP then becomes an independent MP. but they don't lose their seat. depending on how critical the three line whip vote was and how serious the MP's defiance was that MP might be expelled from the party for good or welcomed back after a sort of suspension - but if expelled at the next local or general election that MP will be a independent candidate. Any MP who defies a party three line whip is effectively ending their political career in the sense of being on the front bench or future minister. usually the people who defy the three line whips are people who lack the credibility and ability of progressing beyond a constituent MP, or MP's with a grievance against their leader. like we see with the Labour Party - often you see the headline Labour Shadow minister resigns over whip vote and when you see their name you have to ask who are they? In the European Bill vote tonight at 7pm. it looks like 60 to 80 MP's will vote against the Bill. But 326 MP's are needed to stop the Bill. Faced with that, the Bill should be passed with around about 570 for, 80 against. IF passed it has to go to the Lords and then come back for amendments, Some of the Remain MP's will use this session of amendments to slow down proceedings, that's why the Governments or Theresa Mays' EU Bill is so short just two paragraphs, it prevents numerous challenges and amendments being proposed. - If you remember a good example of this was the SNP who stated they would make 50 amendments to the Bill, a random 50 amendments plucked out of the air and they stated this before they even knew the wording of the Bill. - it shows how second rate the SNP are as a party. as shown time and time again in their domestic policies. Edited February 1, 2017 by stevewinn 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevewinn Posted February 1, 2017 #2236 Share Posted February 1, 2017 (edited) 5 hours ago, itsnotoutthere said: EU will lose out from bad Brexit deal on City, says leaked report The European commission’s Brexit negotiators must strike a “workable” deal with Theresa May’s government to protect the City of London or the economies of the remaining member states will be damaged, a leaked EU report warns. The document – which has been seen by the Guardian – describes it as critical for the economic health of the remaining member states that the current financial eco-system is not hit in the coming Brexit negotiations. The paper, drawn up by officials working for the European parliament’s powerful committee on economic and monetary affairs (Econ), warns that UK-based financial services account for 40% of Europe’s assets under management and 60% of its capital markets business. “And UK-based banks provide more than £1.1tn of loans to the other EU member states,” the Econ secretariat’s paper notes. link :- https://www.theguardian.com/business/2017/feb/01/eu-brexit-deal-city-leaked-report-european-parliament-article-50 What we have to remember any tariffs on goods or services placed on the UK disproportionately affects the EU. They know it and we know it. Its a shame the British media don't highlight it enough. the facts remain, over 90% of the British economy is here within the UK. just 11% of British businesses export less than a third to the EU. Our domestic economy is the bread and butter, trade is just the jam. I want to raise another point the EU have said the UK needs to pay them €60 Billion euros to cover on going commitments to the EU after we leave - between the years 2017 to 2020. - The question i have, if that figure is correct as the EU is saying. that's roughly £20 billion pounds extra a year we have not been told about. Now if we are to be paying that amount in 2017-2020 then surely we must at present be paying that amount and in past years - have the EU inadvertently let the cat out the bag? and showed the true cost of UK membership, not £10Billion net as we are told but potentially a figure of £30 Billion a year. Our £10 billion net membership plus liabilities and commitments of a further £20 Billion. = £30 Billion a year? It'll be interesting and well worth keeping our eye on in the up coming negotiations. Edited February 1, 2017 by stevewinn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Monk Posted February 1, 2017 #2237 Share Posted February 1, 2017 1 hour ago, stevewinn said: The MP's who go against the parties three line whip are expelled or suspended by the party, that MP then becomes an independent MP. but they don't lose their seat. depending on how critical the three line whip vote was and how serious the MP's defiance was that MP might be expelled from the party for good or welcomed back after a sort of suspension - but if expelled at the next local or general election that MP will be a independent candidate. Any MP who defies a party three line whip is effectively ending their political career in the sense of being on the front bench or future minister. usually the people who defy the three line whips are people who lack the credibility and ability of progressing beyond a constituent MP, or MP's with a grievance against their leader. like we see with the Labour Party - often you see the headline Labour Shadow minister resigns over whip vote and when you see their name you have to ask who are they? In the European Bill vote tonight at 7pm. it looks like 60 to 80 MP's will vote against the Bill. But 326 MP's are needed to stop the Bill. Faced with that, the Bill should be passed with around about 570 for, 80 against. IF passed it has to go to the Lords and then come back for amendments, Some of the Remain MP's will use this session of amendments to slow down proceedings, that's why the Governments or Theresa Mays' EU Bill is so short just two paragraphs, it prevents numerous challenges and amendments being proposed. - If you remember a good example of this was the SNP who stated they would make 50 amendments to the Bill, a random 50 amendments plucked out of the air and they stated this before they even knew the wording of the Bill. - it shows how second rate the SNP are as a party. as shown time and time again in their domestic policies. The SNP - a party that believes the UK should stay in the EU because it the UK "does so much trade with the EU" yet wants Scotland to leave the UK even though two thirds of Scotland's trade is with the rest of the UK. The UK is a far more important union for Scotland on that score than the EU is. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevewinn Posted February 1, 2017 #2238 Share Posted February 1, 2017 (edited) http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/live/bbcparliament watch the result live. expected at 19:15. SNP Amendment defeated 3 to 1. Bill to give the authority to the Prime Minister to give notice to Leave the EU. Bill passed. Ayes 498 Noes 114. Majority: 384. The court cases of Gina Miller, waste of her backers money. Democracy rules the day. Remoaners/Romainers defeated. Snowflakes melt. Edited February 1, 2017 by stevewinn update: 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Monk Posted February 1, 2017 #2239 Share Posted February 1, 2017 Parliament votes 498 to 114 to trigger Article 50 - a majority of 384. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Monk Posted February 1, 2017 #2240 Share Posted February 1, 2017 32 minutes ago, stevewinn said: http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/live/bbcparliament watch the result live. expected at 19:15. SNP Amendment defeated 3 to 1. Bill to give the authority to the Prime Minister to give notice to Leave the EU. Bill passed. Ayes 498 Noes 114. Majority: 384. The court cases of Gina Miller, waste of her backers money. Democracy rules the day. Remoaners/Romainers defeated. Snowflakes melt. Yep. Gina Miller's attempt to overturn the result turned out to be a damp squib. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Commander Travis Posted February 1, 2017 #2241 Share Posted February 1, 2017 Guardian, Indecent and HuffPost will either mention it in a small story somewhere down the bottom of the page or lead with some big headline saying something sarcastic about Farage and mention the actual result in small font down the bottom of the page, of course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Commander Travis Posted February 1, 2017 #2242 Share Posted February 1, 2017 (edited) I read that Brexit talks will be on 'humongous scale' is humungous bigger than yuuuge? More news headlines 125 Edited February 1, 2017 by Manfred von Dreidecker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alibongo Posted February 1, 2017 Author #2243 Share Posted February 1, 2017 The Brexiters have been shafted but don't realise it yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alibongo Posted February 1, 2017 Author #2244 Share Posted February 1, 2017 But it is only the working class who will suffer, not the upper class, or middle class, although obviously we would like to remain in Europe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alibongo Posted February 1, 2017 Author #2245 Share Posted February 1, 2017 Alibongo, alibongo, alibongo, what a fine person he is, alibongo understands everything and will explain it if you ask him, Alibongo is a fine, fine man. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bee Posted February 1, 2017 #2246 Share Posted February 1, 2017 7 minutes ago, alibongo said: Alibongo, alibongo, alibongo, what a fine person he is, alibongo understands everything and will explain it if you ask him, Alibongo is a fine, fine man. . musical interlude...? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.United_Nations Posted February 1, 2017 #2247 Share Posted February 1, 2017 Nicola Sturgeon has seriously got to convince the Scotish people for a 2nd independance vote after this. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hetrodoxly Posted February 1, 2017 #2248 Share Posted February 1, 2017 33 minutes ago, alibongo said: Alibongo, alibongo, alibongo, what a fine person he is, alibongo understands everything and will explain it if you ask him, Alibongo is a fine, fine man. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seeder Posted February 2, 2017 #2249 Share Posted February 2, 2017 This made me laugh Quote Historic moment for Britain as the Brexit Bill is PASSED by MPs despite desperate bid by more than 100 Remoaners to block Article 50 from being triggered Bid to wreck the historic Brexit Bill has been defeated in the House of Commons MPs voted by 498 to 114 to give the crucial legislation its second reading Two senior Labour MPs tonight quit Jeremy Corbyn's top team to oppose Brexit Labour's Neil Coyle earlier branded Tory MPs 'b@stards' during the Brexit debate One Labour MP yelled 'suicide' as the result was announced in chamber Prime Minister has said long-awaited White Paper will be out tomorrow Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4179940/The-Government-s-Brexit-plan-published-TOMORROW.html#ixzz4XU39MphK Quote The Remoaners-in-chief: MPs who DEFIED the will of their constituents by voting against triggering Article 50 Seven Labour, a Lib Dem and an SNP MP opposed Brexit Bill despite Leave votes in constituencies Labour's Chris Bryant was among them but insisted he was still a 'democrat' Wakefield MP Mary Creagh said she could not bring herself to vote for Brexit Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4181134/MPs-DEFIED-constituents-voting-against-Brexit.html#ixzz4XU3O3K6N Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Commander Travis Posted February 2, 2017 #2250 Share Posted February 2, 2017 Oh look, Ali is back with another enormous shipload of sour grapes. Better get the harvest in quickly Ali, before you have to lose all those cheap Polish fruit pickers. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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