alibongo Posted March 3, 2017 Author #2451 Share Posted March 3, 2017 1 minute ago, Manfred von Dreidecker said: I think you must have missed this bit. "We find the claims utterly incredible," declared Judge Roger Peters, presiding over the tribunal panel in Southampton. "The events did not happen." Was Judge Roger Peters one of these judges who go against the will of the people? I thought Brexiteers had no regard for law. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alibongo Posted March 3, 2017 Author #2452 Share Posted March 3, 2017 Gina Miller threatens fresh legal action, to allow MPs a say on the terms of any Brexit :http://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/gina-miller-threatens-fresh-legal-action-demanding-mps-get-final-say-on-brexit-deal-a3480446.html When she derails Brexit, I'll be able to do my victory song again: "Alibongo, alibongo, is a very fine man, Ask him any questions, He'll help if he can!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Commander Travis Posted March 3, 2017 #2453 Share Posted March 3, 2017 14 minutes ago, alibongo said: Manfred von Dreidecker, why are you reading my local paper? Thought you might want to go along and heckle. Then they could have an amusing story for Monday. "Eccentric magician escorted off premises after shouting stream of obscenities". 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alibongo Posted March 4, 2017 Author #2454 Share Posted March 4, 2017 (edited) Quote UK could quit EU without paying a penny, say Lords Report says British government has no legal obligation to pay for Brexit or outstanding payments into EU budget The UK could walk away from the European Union in 2019 without paying a penny, the House of Lords has said, in a report bound to raise tensions with Brussels in the run-up to Brexit talks.The British government would have no legal obligation to either pay a €60bn (£52bn) Brexit bill mooted by the European commission or honour payments into the EU budget promised by the former prime minister David Cameron, according to analysis by the House of Lords EU financial affairs sub-committee.In a report published on Saturday, the committee argues that the British government would be on strong legal ground if it chose to leave the EU without paying anything, adding that Brussels would have no realistic chance of getting any money. Some good news at last:https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/mar/04/uk-could-quit-eu-without-paying-a-penny-say-lords Edited March 4, 2017 by alibongo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Monk Posted March 4, 2017 #2455 Share Posted March 4, 2017 On 02/03/2017 at 9:19 AM, bee said: . http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4271538/Ministers-brace-Brexit-Bill-DEFEAT-House-Lords.html quotes (bolded).... "Former Leader of the Lords Lord Strathclyde warned that voting for the amendment would 'put at risk the future of a million British citizens living in the EU' by weakening Mrs May's negotiating hand. " ^^^ in a nutshell ^^^ T Looks like the Remainers in the House of Lords trying to force the Government to play softball when the EU are going to play hardball...?... Remainers always on the look out for ways to make their doom and gloom prophesies come true - no matter what harm that does to the country -- Shadow Brexit Secretary Keir Starmer hailed the defeat as a 'really welcome and important step forward'." ^^^ mmmmm a step forward towards what...?.... interfering with the negotiation from the side lines..? This looks more like the Remain supporters in the Lords flexing their muscles as a show of force and distrust -rather than any real care about EU nationals - who IMO don't have anything to worry about anyway - and at the end of the day aren't refugees - they have perfectly safe countries to return to if they wanted to -- just like the Brits living abroad do --- but if both groups have settled in other European countries different to their country of origin then apart from a few 'grey area' cases which can be fought in the courts - they don't have to get worried over scare tactics from the referendum losers - . Why don't the Lords start looking after the interests of the British people rather than of foreigners? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Monk Posted March 4, 2017 #2456 Share Posted March 4, 2017 (edited) On 01/03/2017 at 9:07 AM, Manfred von Dreidecker said: Crikey, they've recruited William Wallace to support their cause now? Surely he'd be the last who'd be likely to be a Little Englander. Many Scots unfathomably like the EU. There's always been a beautiful thing between Scotland and Continental Europe - it's called England. Edited March 4, 2017 by Black Monk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alibongo Posted March 4, 2017 Author #2457 Share Posted March 4, 2017 (edited) 4 hours ago, Black Monk said: Quote Edited March 4, 2017 by alibongo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Commander Travis Posted March 4, 2017 #2458 Share Posted March 4, 2017 11 minutes ago, alibongo said: Spoiler ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alibongo Posted March 4, 2017 Author #2459 Share Posted March 4, 2017 39 minutes ago, Manfred von Dreidecker said: Reveal hidden contents ? I've been trying to post so as to meet the mods approval, as they delete my posts,but I can't manage the quote function yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gingitsune Posted March 4, 2017 #2460 Share Posted March 4, 2017 5 hours ago, Black Monk said: Many Scots unfathomably like the EU. There's always been a beautiful thing between Scotland and Continental Europe - it's called England. If only Norway was in EU, they could build a tunnel between Orkney, Shetland, then mainland Norway (not going to be doable this century, but don't let reality get in the way), but no, their geographic conundrum is a inescapable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hetrodoxly Posted March 5, 2017 #2461 Share Posted March 5, 2017 11 hours ago, Gingitsune said: If only Norway was in EU, they could build a tunnel between Orkney, Shetland, then mainland Norway (not going to be doable this century, but don't let reality get in the way), but no, their geographic conundrum is a inescapable. Last time around Orkney and Shetland were talking about independence from Scotland. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gingitsune Posted March 5, 2017 #2462 Share Posted March 5, 2017 2 minutes ago, hetrodoxly said: Last time around Orkney and Shetland were talking about independence from Scotland. I didn't know of the finer details. They'll have to do a tunnel between Islay and Inishowen, then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Commander Travis Posted March 5, 2017 #2463 Share Posted March 5, 2017 31 minutes ago, hetrodoxly said: Last time around Orkney and Shetland were talking about independence from Scotland. All the more reason, since they've always been more Scandinavian than Scottish. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Monk Posted March 5, 2017 #2464 Share Posted March 5, 2017 1 hour ago, Gingitsune said: I didn't know of the finer details. They'll have to do a tunnel between Islay and Inishowen, then. If Scotland voted to swap rule from London for rule from Brussels then Shetland and Orkney, with all their oil, will vote to secede from Scotland and become part of England. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alibongo Posted March 5, 2017 Author #2465 Share Posted March 5, 2017 9 hours ago, Black Monk said: If Scotland voted to swap rule from London for rule from Brussels then Shetland and Orkney, with all their oil, will vote to secede from Scotland and become part of England. I thought Nicola Sturgeon wanted to remain part of the EU just to retain all the benefits membership confers, I can't imagine Shetland, Orkney or any other country would want to leave, unless they were handicapped by a referendum vote which went badly wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Commander Travis Posted March 5, 2017 #2466 Share Posted March 5, 2017 In what way, if it's worth asking, did it go badly wrong? It didn't go the way it ought to have done, if only it had been limited to unstupid people, such as, for example, not Northerners? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alibongo Posted March 5, 2017 Author #2467 Share Posted March 5, 2017 (edited) Some comments on the budget http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/hammond-rising-revenues-will-be-put-aside-for-brexit-not-spent-on-the-nhs-a7612601.html : Brexiters have not only demolished the future health of our economy, but they have set in motion the entire breakup of the United Kingdom. Like (edited)6 minutes ago jimmyjet Another spineless Tory snake. What a detestable group of politicians the two largest parties are. A plague on both their houses. Like Edit Delete (edited)6 minutes ago BigBrain The British voted, under the influence of such slimeballs as Fartrage and the NHS money-tree. Now they will enjoy the impoverishment that goes with it. It will build and build, over the decades, as markets close to the stupid fools. Like Edit Delete (edited)10 minutes ago themano £350 million per week = £18.2 billion per year = less than a third of what Hammond is stashing away to fend off what is (by his own admission) the potential economic calamity of Brexit. So those who were stupid enough to believe the Gove-Johnson lies COULD have had their £350M per week for the NHS all along, if only the Tories were in the least bit interested in giving it to them... But post Brexit, they haven't got a hope in hell of getting anything they want. They have simply been brainwashed into supporting a right wing coup. And they have ended up with a Government who are way more evil than any we have ever had before, and who are just longing to shed their EU shackles to show you just how nasty they are. All you sorry Little Englanders deserve everything you are about to get. Edited March 5, 2017 by alibongo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alibongo Posted March 5, 2017 Author #2468 Share Posted March 5, 2017 3 minutes ago, Manfred von Dreidecker said: In what way, if it's worth asking, did it go badly wrong? It didn't go the way it ought to have done, if only it had been limited to unstupid people, such as, for example, not Northerners? You just need to read the comments in my above post to answer your question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Commander Travis Posted March 5, 2017 #2469 Share Posted March 5, 2017 (edited) Where's this from then? The Guardina? All these people claim to be experts? Interesting insight into the way of thinking of these people who are our intellectual superiors. Quote And they have ended up with a Government who are way more evil than any we have ever had before Edited March 5, 2017 by Manfred von Dreidecker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alibongo Posted March 5, 2017 Author #2470 Share Posted March 5, 2017 (edited) 12 minutes ago, Manfred von Dreidecker said: Where's this from then? The Guardina? All these people claim to be experts? Interesting insight into the way of thinking of these people who are our intellectual superiors. Just a random selection of comments on the Independent's report on the budget. I predict there will be a mass uprising overturning the government's Brexit, as the UK's population will demand a say in the way their country is run. No-one voted for an economic calamity, with the UK run as a tax-haven for corporations and the workforce on zero hour gig contracts. Edited March 5, 2017 by alibongo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alibongo Posted March 6, 2017 Author #2471 Share Posted March 6, 2017 (edited) 1 hour ago, Pop It and Shove It said: Nor, did we vote to become Trump's groomed poodle readying for WW3... Yes, I agree. But with the chancellor's fighting rhetoric yesterday, talking about being embattled by the EU countries and how we won't slink away without a fight, it is clear there is no intention by this government to have a 'soft' Brexit or to retain the single market. Instead, we will lower our corporate taxes to encourage finance and industry to stay in the UK. Lower taxes means less revenue for the government to spend on public services, so less spent on social care, the NHS and on workers rights. This is the model the Tories have always wanted (Thatcher was always saying 'roll back the state') but is not the model the working classes of the UK will find enjoyable. The working classes were hoodwinked by the despicable Farage, Gove and Boris. Edited March 6, 2017 by alibongo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alibongo Posted March 6, 2017 Author #2472 Share Posted March 6, 2017 (edited) 2 minutes ago, alibongo said: Hit quote instead of edit. Edited March 6, 2017 by alibongo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hetrodoxly Posted March 6, 2017 #2473 Share Posted March 6, 2017 (edited) 10 hours ago, alibongo said: Just a random selection of comments on the Independent's report on the budget. I predict there will be a mass uprising overturning the government's Brexit, as the UK's population will demand a say in the way their country is run. No-one voted for an economic calamity, with the UK run as a tax-haven for corporations and the workforce on zero hour gig contracts. The only 'mass uprising' you'll see is if we fail to leave the single market (the EU) Edited March 6, 2017 by hetrodoxly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alibongo Posted March 6, 2017 Author #2474 Share Posted March 6, 2017 22 minutes ago, hetrodoxly said: The only 'mass uprising' you'll see is if we fail to leave the single market (the EU) Of course. That's because the Brexiteers are holding onto their delusion that Brexit means control of our borders, rising prosperity due to a free market, and oodles of money saved from our not pumping it into the EU. When the penny drops, and they realise that they will be subject to real economic hardships (some estimate a drop in living standards of about 20% by 2020) and there is no state safety net as public funding has been, perforce, drastically reduced, then they will realise they were shafted and there will be mass protests! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank Merton Posted March 6, 2017 #2475 Share Posted March 6, 2017 24 minutes ago, hetrodoxly said: The only 'mass uprising' you'll see is if we fail to leave the single market (the EU) I think in the end the politicians will find a way for Britain to stay in the EU, at least de facto. There is too much disruption to everyone, and too much harm to Britain, for things to end up otherwise. For a year or more the noise will all be exit and negotiating exit, but it will end up amounting to just camouflage for a reality that keeps Britain and Europe closely tied together. (It might even happen, as tempers settle and people have a chance to think more deeply, that a second referendum or something along those lines will happen and the whole thing will go away). Of course a few extremists will demonstrate, but they do that sort of thing all the time anyway. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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