Space Commander Travis Posted November 3, 2016 #526 Share Posted November 3, 2016 10 hours ago, Kismit said: Oh. Ok. Then clearly Donald Trump is a political genius..you can tell that By the way he can be so easily manipulated by Hillary Clinton and her team. He's going to do amazing things, when sent out into the big bad world of real politics. Nobody is going to take advantage of that. The most commonly heard discussion about this election that I hear repeated over here is, In a country so large, with so many intelligent people in it, how the hell did it end up between those two? Sarcasm really isn't a very effective response, you know. It's usually what people resort to when they don't actually have a response, as appears in fact to be the case here. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Commander Travis Posted November 3, 2016 #527 Share Posted November 3, 2016 6 hours ago, Clair said: No you're not the majority, as Hillary is absolutely crushing Trump when it comes to the millennial vote: The Nation. Not to rub salt into the wound or anything, but Trump's weakness among millennial voters is unprecedented. Indeed, more millennials liked Richard Nixon during the anti-Vietnam war era, than millennials of today like Trump. USA Today. It's exactly the same as the Brexit vote. Why should the Millennials be so important? Should everyone pander to them and their sometimes slightly naive "why can't we all just get along in a nice rainbow colored community of nations, all living together in harmony" (which is how they saw the EU, and what they apparently seem to imagine the Hillary to be like)? The "Millennials" (or the equivalent) during the Nixon and Vietnam era were strongly anti-war; the Millennials For Hillary" seem to agree with her absurd sabre-rattling belligerence. Today's Millennials would I feel be a sad disappointment to those who campaigned against LBJ, RMN and Vietnam. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habitat Posted November 3, 2016 #528 Share Posted November 3, 2016 I doubt the "Millenials" are too interested in political activism at all. Nor is the greater population. Otherwise the rubbish being elected would not get a look-in. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habitat Posted November 3, 2016 #529 Share Posted November 3, 2016 (edited) Speaking of rubbish politicians, I just saw a news story of a highly paid politician who failed to pay council rates for three years, and cadged the money to do so, from her party. She explained it was a case of a "single mother, doing it tough". All I can say is........ Edited November 3, 2016 by Habitat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Red Devil Posted November 3, 2016 #530 Share Posted November 3, 2016 3 hours ago, Kismit said: Hey I'm a Victorian Mexican. I just live in NZ A Victorian living in NZ! Geez all you needed was to be married to a Queenslander and you would have hit a trifecta of misfortunes. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Wearer of Hats Posted November 3, 2016 #531 Share Posted November 3, 2016 9 minutes ago, Black Red Devil said: A Victorian living in NZ! Geez all you needed was to be married to a Queenslander and you would have hit a trifecta of misfortunes. Not true, they could support NSW in the Origin. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
preacherman76 Posted November 3, 2016 #532 Share Posted November 3, 2016 Found this interesting. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
preacherman76 Posted November 3, 2016 #533 Share Posted November 3, 2016 This too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Claire. Posted November 3, 2016 #534 Share Posted November 3, 2016 3 hours ago, Grand Moff Tarkin said: It's exactly the same as the Brexit vote. Why should the Millennials be so important? Should everyone pander to them and their sometimes slightly naive "why can't we all just get along in a nice rainbow colored community of nations, all living together in harmony" (which is how they saw the EU, and what they apparently seem to imagine the Hillary to be like)? The "Millennials" (or the equivalent) during the Nixon and Vietnam era were strongly anti-war; the Millennials For Hillary" seem to agree with her absurd sabre-rattling belligerence. Today's Millennials would I feel be a sad disappointment to those who campaigned against LBJ, RMN and Vietnam. I wouldn't paint American millennials with such a wide brush as they represent a very diverse group. Not all share the same liberal views. As for why they're so important, they are a powerful voting bloc, large enough to sway an entire election. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bee Posted November 3, 2016 #535 Share Posted November 3, 2016 . 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Claire. Posted November 3, 2016 #536 Share Posted November 3, 2016 U.S. court deals Trump a setback in fight over poll monitors. In a blow to Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump, a U.S. judge on Thursday upheld a Pennsylvania state law that could make it difficult for his supporters to monitor Election Day activity in Democratic-leaning areas. Trump has repeatedly said Tuesday's presidential election may be rigged, and has urged supporters to keep an eye out for signs of voting fraud in Philadelphia and other heavily Democratic areas. Democrats worry that could encourage Trump supporters to harass Hispanics, African-Americans and other minority voters in a state that could determine whether Trump or his Democratic opponent, Hillary Clinton, wins the presidency. Democrats have launched a legal blitz of their own in an attempt to shut down Trump's poll-watching efforts in Pennsylvania and three other battleground states, arguing in lawsuits that Republican monitoring efforts amount to "vigilante voter intimidation" that violates federal law. Democrats are also trying to stop the Republican National Committee from supporting the poll-watching efforts of the Trump campaign or state parties. Those cases have not yet been resolved. Read more: Reuters 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
docyabut2 Posted November 3, 2016 #537 Share Posted November 3, 2016 (edited) 23 hours ago, docyabut2 said: It happened and it did. Do you know how many people claimed they voted ten times for Obama and got away with it. And most dead people that voted were democrats. The SC should pass a law voter`s ID Again it does happen and the Supreme Court should pass a law only someone s can only vote with their own ID Edited November 3, 2016 by docyabut2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farmer77 Posted November 3, 2016 #538 Share Posted November 3, 2016 16 minutes ago, Clair said: U.S. court deals Trump a setback in fight over poll monitors. In a blow to Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump, a U.S. judge on Thursday upheld a Pennsylvania state law that could make it difficult for his supporters to monitor Election Day activity in Democratic-leaning areas. Trump has repeatedly said Tuesday's presidential election may be rigged, and has urged supporters to keep an eye out for signs of voting fraud in Philadelphia and other heavily Democratic areas. Democrats worry that could encourage Trump supporters to harass Hispanics, African-Americans and other minority voters in a state that could determine whether Trump or his Democratic opponent, Hillary Clinton, wins the presidency. Democrats have launched a legal blitz of their own in an attempt to shut down Trump's poll-watching efforts in Pennsylvania and three other battleground states, arguing in lawsuits that Republican monitoring efforts amount to "vigilante voter intimidation" that violates federal law. Democrats are also trying to stop the Republican National Committee from supporting the poll-watching efforts of the Trump campaign or state parties. Those cases have not yet been resolved. Read more: Reuters The OSCE is sending a record number of observers thankfully we'll have some outside eyes on this election to observe those pesky hanging chads. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lilly Posted November 3, 2016 #539 Share Posted November 3, 2016 I'm not too concerned with hanging chads, but dead people voting and non citizens voting does tend to grab my attention. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Claire. Posted November 3, 2016 #540 Share Posted November 3, 2016 19 minutes ago, Lilly said: I'm not too concerned with hanging chads, but dead people voting and non citizens voting does tend to grab my attention. This might help to alleviate some of those fears. http://www.factcheck.org/2016/10/trumps-bogus-voter-fraud-claims/ 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lilly Posted November 4, 2016 #541 Share Posted November 4, 2016 And this supports at least some concern: http://www.wthr.com/article/indiana-state-police-provide-update-on-voter-fraud-investigation 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zenith Posted November 4, 2016 #542 Share Posted November 4, 2016 2 hours ago, Lilly said: And this supports at least some concern: http://www.wthr.com/article/indiana-state-police-provide-update-on-voter-fraud-investigation That seems to smack more of administrative and maintenance incompetence. But fraud is reported every election, it happens, it usually gets caught. But that widespread rigging that Trump was whining about until he started catching up of course, is next to impossible. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Commander Travis Posted November 4, 2016 #543 Share Posted November 4, 2016 The naivety of you people who seem to believe in the integrity and trustworthiness of the American democratic system (and perhaps even the "Democratic" Party) does make me smile sardonically. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aquatus1 Posted November 4, 2016 #544 Share Posted November 4, 2016 Everyone has something that makes them smile. For me, it is proud cynicism mistaken for wittiness. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Commander Travis Posted November 4, 2016 #545 Share Posted November 4, 2016 1 hour ago, aquatus1 said: Everyone has something that makes them smile. For me, it is proud cynicism mistaken for wittiness. Are you seriously trying to say you can look at the American political system and all the machinations of the Establishment and the way that the media has given up any pretense of just reporting the news and not feel cynical? Do you really trust it? Any of it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aquatus1 Posted November 4, 2016 #546 Share Posted November 4, 2016 Not trusting in something does not equate to being cynical about everything. Mistaking the two is a common error of those for whom it is their first time noticing such things, i.e. a lack of experience. Thinking that one is supposed to trust the establishment and the media to not be bias is a lack of wisdom. Thinking "all of it" is actually some sort of homogeneous "all" is a lack of judgment. The lack of judgement, wisdom, and experience? Well...that's naivete. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Commander Travis Posted November 4, 2016 #547 Share Posted November 4, 2016 (edited) . Quote Mistaking the two is a common error of those for whom it is their first time noticing such things, i.e. a lack of experience Mightn't it be just the opposite, and it be experience than brings the realization that in the whole thing is irredeemably corrupted ? Edited November 4, 2016 by Grand Moff Tarkin 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ninjadude Posted November 4, 2016 #548 Share Posted November 4, 2016 3 hours ago, Grand Moff Tarkin said: . Mightn't it be just the opposite, and it be experience than brings the realization that in the whole thing is irredeemably corrupted ? That;s just the point, there's no way you can see or even think you see the "whole thing". Or are qualified to judge it irredeemable or corrupted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aquatus1 Posted November 5, 2016 #549 Share Posted November 5, 2016 (edited) 5 hours ago, Grand Moff Tarkin said: Mightn't it be just the opposite, and it be experience than brings the realization that in the whole thing is irredeemably corrupted ? If you think you know what there is to know about something, then come to a realization and tell yourself "Gee, I was naive for thinking that. Good thing I know better now."...don't you think you are putting yourself in pretty much the same position you were in before, with just a different opinion? Opinions come and go, but behavior doesn't lie. Before, you were confident in your opinion, based on your experience, and now you are similarly confident in your opinion, again, based on your experience. But if your actions are identical to what they were before, what have you really learned? Edited November 5, 2016 by aquatus1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Commander Travis Posted November 5, 2016 #550 Share Posted November 5, 2016 8 hours ago, ninjadude said: That;s just the point, there's no way you can see or even think you see the "whole thing". Or are qualified to judge it irredeemable or corrupted. The fact that H. Clinton won by a landslide for the nomination over her rival says all anyone needs to know, I think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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