Mausoleum of the First Qin Emperor solution?

[Awlsew]

5 minutes ago, Hanslune said:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/kristinakillgrove/2015/07/18/these-red-haired-chinese-mummies-come-from-all-over-eurasia-dna-reveals/#2ca8a9be3e2c

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Writing in the journals BMC Genetics and BMC Biology, Chunxiang Li, an ancient DNA specialist at Jilin University, and colleagues report on their analysis of human remains from the Xiaohe tomb complex also on the eastern edge of the basin. 

 

A tomb complex?? Kind of like the subject of the OP. Seems when ancient tomb complexes are opened in China, they find caucasian mummys.

I stand by what i said: they won't open the Mausoleum of the First Qin Emperor because they are concerned a caucasian is in there.

 

[Piney]

Just now, Hanslune said:

Why? Proto-Europeans could wander around just like everyone else. I would say it's interesting but not unexpected

Eastern Iranians (Scythian-Samaritans). 

 

[Awlsew]

1 minute ago, Piney said:

They were Eastern Iranians. Not "Northern Europeans" 

Russia shares a border with China. Russians are Northern Europians. Russians are caucasians.

[Piney]

Just now, Awlsew said:

Writing in the journals BMC Genetics and BMC Biology, Chunxiang Li, an ancient DNA specialist at Jilin University, and colleagues report on their analysis of human remains from the Xiaohe tomb complex also on the eastern edge of the basin. 

 

A tomb complex?? Kind of like the subject of the OP. Seems when ancient tomb complexes are opened in China, they find caucasian mummys.

I stand by what i said: they won't open the Mausoleum of the First Qin Emperor because they are concerned a caucasian is in there.

 

Your linking all Eastern Iranian sites. The Qin were Han. 

[Hanslune]

3 minutes ago, Awlsew said:

Writing in the journals BMC Genetics and BMC Biology, Chunxiang Li, an ancient DNA specialist at Jilin University, and colleagues report on their analysis of human remains from the Xiaohe tomb complex also on the eastern edge of the basin. 

 

A tomb complex?? Kind of like the subject of the OP. Seems when ancient tomb complexes are opened in China, they find caucasian mummys.

I stand by what i said: they won't open the Mausoleum of the First Qin Emperor because they are concerned a caucasian is in there.

 

Why would they be concerned? The Hans Chinese are firmly in charge of the area now nobodies going to take it away from them. LOL

 

It like some extreme right Japanese don't like the idea that the early emperors of Japan were probably Korean. They might get all butt hurt about it but it doesn't change reality one bit.

Edited August 21, 2019 by Hanslune

[Awlsew]

1 minute ago, Piney said:

Eastern Iranians (Scythian-Samaritans). 

 

Russians. Caucasians.

[Piney]

Just now, Awlsew said:

Russia shares a border with China. Russians are Northern Europians. Russians are caucasians.

Russians moved into there later. After they drove out the Finnic Peoples. 

[Piney]

1 minute ago, Awlsew said:

Russians. Caucasians.

Slavs and Norse who moved in later. 

 

[Awlsew]

4 minutes ago, Hanslune said:

Why? Proto-Europeans could wander around just like everyone else. I would say it's interesting but not unexpected

Fantastic were finding the Deniscovians and Hobbits and confirmation of Neanderthal DNA in much of HSS - but not all.

The point again is that there could be a caucasian in the ancient tomb of Qin because ancient caucasian mummys have been found in China.

[Hanslune]

2 minutes ago, Piney said:

Russians moved into there later. After they drove out the Finnic Peoples. 

Yeah one of the book I wrote was set during the time of the Russian invasion of 'Independent Tartary or Central Asia. The Russian sweep east was going on at the same time the Americans were sweeping west.

[Awlsew]

Just now, Piney said:

Slavs and Norse who moved in later. 

 

The DNA evidence suggests otherwise.

[Hanslune]

1 minute ago, Awlsew said:

The point again is that there could be a caucasian in the ancient tomb of Qin because ancient caucasian mummys have been found in China.

So while interesting it wouldn't be particularly earth shattering. Descriptions of him and his men sound asian.

Edited August 21, 2019 by Hanslune

[Awlsew]

1 minute ago, Hanslune said:

So while interesting it wouldn't be particularly earth shattering. Descriptions of him and his men sound asian.

His men were Asian. He could have been caucasian. 

The idea is a there may have been a caucasian ruler of the Asian Chinese.

[Piney]

3 minutes ago, Awlsew said:

Russians. Caucasians.

Kid I was a "shovel jockey" in Xinjiang. I even speak the local Turkish dialect. 

2 minutes ago, Awlsew said:

The DNA evidence suggests otherwise.

R1a and R1b are the same with all Indo-European-Iranian.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andronovo_culture

[Piney]

Just now, Awlsew said:

His men were Asian. He could have been caucasian. 

The idea is a there may have been a caucasian ruler of the Asian Chinese.

There was a couple of Turkish ones. Manchu and Mongol ones. So maybe. 

[Hanslune]

12 minutes ago, Awlsew said:

Writing in the journals BMC Genetics and BMC Biology, Chunxiang Li, an ancient DNA specialist at Jilin University, and colleagues report on their analysis of human remains from the Xiaohe tomb complex also on the eastern edge of the basin. 

 

A tomb complex?? Kind of like the subject of the OP. Seems when ancient tomb complexes are opened in China, they find caucasian mummys.

I stand by what i said: they won't open the Mausoleum of the First Qin Emperor because they are concerned a caucasian is in there.

 

 

3 minutes ago, Awlsew said:

His men were Asian. He could have been caucasian. 

The idea is a there may have been a caucasian ruler of the Asian Chinese.

Before you get all sweaty and over excited may I suggest you read:

Records of the Grand Historian, written by Sima Qian

A Chinese historian of said man.......

... starting with the First Emperor of Qin and progressing through the first emperors of the Han dynasty.

Edited August 21, 2019 by Hanslune

[Awlsew]

3 minutes ago, Piney said:

Kid I was a "shovel jockey" in Xinjiang. I even speak the local Turkish dialect. 

R1a and R1b are the same with all Indo-European-Iranian.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andronovo_culture

"The dominant haplogroup," they write, "in the Xiaohe people was the East Eurasian lineage C" which corresponds with a likely origin in South Siberia. But there were also "two West Eurasian mtDNA haplogroups H and K." In looking more closely at the lineages and mutations, however, Li and colleagues noted that several of the samples had mutations that are either rare in modern people or are not found in modern gene banks. 

https://www.forbes.com/sites/kristinakillgrove/2015/07/18/these-red-haired-chinese-mummies-come-from-all-over-eurasia-dna-reveals/#7dbdbb2f3e2c

[Piney]

11 minutes ago, Hanslune said:

It like some extreme right Japanese don't like the idea that the early emperors of Japan were probably Korean. They might get all butt hurt about it but it doesn't change reality one bit.

That was the whole purpose of destroying everything during the occupation. The Yayoi did come from Korea. As with sword smithing. 

[Piney]

1 minute ago, Awlsew said:

"The dominant haplogroup," they write, "in the Xiaohe people was the East Eurasian lineage C" which corresponds with a likely origin in South Siberia. But there were also "two West Eurasian mtDNA haplogroups H and K." In looking more closely at the lineages and mutations, however, Li and colleagues noted that several of the samples had mutations that are either rare in modern people or are not found in modern gene banks. 

https://www.forbes.com/sites/kristinakillgrove/2015/07/18/these-red-haired-chinese-mummies-come-from-all-over-eurasia-dna-reveals/#7dbdbb2f3e2c

Tocharians. The Muslim expansion wiped them out. 

[Awlsew]

Just now, Piney said:

Tocharians. The Muslim expansion wiped them out. 

Tocharian DNA is in modern DNA banks?

[Piney]

4 minutes ago, Awlsew said:

"The dominant haplogroup," they write, "in the Xiaohe people was the East Eurasian lineage C" which corresponds with a likely origin in South Siberia. But there were also "two West Eurasian mtDNA haplogroups H and K." In looking more closely at the lineages and mutations, however, Li and colleagues noted that several of the samples had mutations that are either rare in modern people or are not found in modern gene banks. 

https://www.forbes.com/sites/kristinakillgrove/2015/07/18/these-red-haired-chinese-mummies-come-from-all-over-eurasia-dna-reveals/#7dbdbb2f3e2c

These people were "Cumans" a mix between Turkic and Iranian. The red hair is from pigment loss after death. It was black. 

[Awlsew]

Eastern Iranians have red hair?

[Awlsew]

Just now, Piney said:

These people were "Cumans" a mix between Turkic and Iranian. The red hair is from pigment loss after death. It was black. 

The DNA evidence suggests red hair.

[Piney]

Just now, Awlsew said:

Eastern Iranians have red hair?

Yes. 

 

[Piney]

Just now, Awlsew said:

The DNA evidence suggests red hair.

Google Scythian hair colors.....