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Mausoleum of the First Qin Emperor solution?

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Piney
2 minutes ago, Awlsew said:

2. OPINION - the only reason why is they might find a Caucasian mummy in there 

and the other one is deterioration, booby traps and mercury fumes.

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jaylemurph
Just now, Awlsew said:

Lol. Your rhetoric is on one track.  

Shall I spell it out for you?

1. FACT - they won't open the tomb of Qin.

2. OPINION - the only reason why is they might find a Caucasian mummy in there 

Isn't that what I have said with every post in this thread?

 

No. You keep saying the second part as if it’s true and provable. You certainly aren’t marking the difference very well — hence my comment. 

You’ve behaved similarly in other threads, too, hence my confusion.

—Jaylemurph 

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Awlsew
1 minute ago, Piney said:

and the other one is deterioration, booby traps and mercury fumes.

Riiight….folks today can't handle mercury, and ancient booby traps too complex for us modern folk to understand. 

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jaylemurph
21 minutes ago, Awlsew said:

It is the only reason why they won't open the tomb of Qin today.

This is in no way marked as opinion. If it were, it might read “In my opinion...” or “I think...”

It looks like you’re making a statement of unquestioned fact, and you have nothing to back it up ad such. And the voice of your verb is indicative, not subjunctive. 

—Jaylemurph 

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Awlsew
2 minutes ago, jaylemurph said:

No. You keep saying the second part as if it’s true and provable. You certainly aren’t marking the difference very well — hence my comment. 

You’ve behaved similarly in other threads, too, hence my confusion.

—Jaylemurph 

Behaved similarly? You have me classified in the proper cladogram do ya?

My post are very succinct, they are suppositions. 

Perhaps a more succinct supposition would sufficiently suffice.

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Awlsew
2 minutes ago, jaylemurph said:

This is in no way marked as opinion. If it were, it might read “In my opinion...” or “I think...”

It looks like you’re making a statement of unquestioned fact, and you have nothing to back it up ad such. And the voice of your verb is indicative, not subjunctive. 

—Jaylemurph 

You must have missed post #34 and post #38 of this thread. Clearly I am stating an opinion.

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Piney
5 minutes ago, Awlsew said:

Riiight….folks today can't handle mercury, and ancient booby traps too complex for us modern folk to understand. 

There are sites here in the Eastern U.S we won't touch for fear of deterioration and harm. 

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Awlsew
On ‎11‎/‎1‎/‎2016 at 8:26 AM, Cryptid_Control said:

 

Are there other issues with entrance besides this and the Chinese gov? Would just our presence in the tomb be enough to start damaging the inside?

Post #1 of this thread. I am presenting a possible ish-shoe as to why they won't open the tomb, as asked. 

On topic, on point.

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Awlsew
2 minutes ago, Piney said:

There are sites here in the Eastern U.S we won't touch for fear of deterioration and harm. 

Are those the only reasons?

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Piney
1 hour ago, Hanslune said:

Yeah one of the book I wrote was set during the time of the Russian invasion of 'Independent Tartary or Central Asia. The Russian sweep east was going on at the same time the Americans were sweeping west.

Missed this. The genocide on Siberian Tribes committed by the Cossacks was brutal.  

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Piney
2 minutes ago, Awlsew said:

Are those the only reasons?

I preserved some myself.  

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Awlsew
1 minute ago, Piney said:

I preserved some myself.  

Keep them berried :) 

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Piney
Just now, Awlsew said:

Keep them berried :) 

Graves were involved. My ancestors. Reburials turn into a zoo. :yes:

Having grave goods laying around the library also upset the grandchildren. :lol:

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Kenemet
25 minutes ago, Awlsew said:

Lol. Your rhetoric is on one track.  

Shall I spell it out for you?

1. FACT - they won't open the tomb of Qin.

2. OPINION - the only reason why is they might find a Caucasian mummy in there 

Isn't that what I have said with every post in this thread?

 

Why would that be troubling?  They've faked artifacts before.  If you get an inconvenient mummy, the state just makes up an excuse and runs in a ringer.

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Awlsew
1 minute ago, Kenemet said:

Why would that be troubling?  They've faked artifacts before.  If you get an inconvenient mummy, the state just makes up an excuse and runs in a ringer.

Well there is more than one inconvenient mummy in China. 

And if the tomb of the 'Greatest Chinese Emperor' of them all contained an inconvenient mummy...better that they don't open it as to not take that chance.(opinion)

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Piney
3 minutes ago, Kenemet said:

Why would that be troubling?  They've faked artifacts before.  If you get an inconvenient mummy, the state just makes up an excuse and runs in a ringer.

Those friggin maps? :whistle:

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Piney
Just now, Awlsew said:

Well there is more than one inconvenient mummy in China. 

And if the tomb of the 'Greatest Chinese Emperor' of them all contained an inconvenient mummy...better that they don't open it as to not take that chance.(opinion)

He'll be replaced with a dummy mummy. :yes:

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Awlsew
1 minute ago, Piney said:

He'll be replaced with a dummy mummy. :yes:

 

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Kenemet
18 minutes ago, Piney said:

Those friggin maps? :whistle:

And dinosaurs.  We've seen some real fakes there.

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Kenemet
18 minutes ago, Awlsew said:

Well there is more than one inconvenient mummy in China. 

And if the tomb of the 'Greatest Chinese Emperor' of them all contained an inconvenient mummy...better that they don't open it as to not take that chance.(opinion)

How would we know?

Seriously.  If they control the excavation, they could say they found no mummy or any type of remains that they liked, including his entire court.   State archaeologists would go along with that and there wouldn't be any outsiders there.  Heck, they could stage an entire tomb in there and we wouldn't know.

And the "inconvenient mummies" don't seem terribly inconvenient to them.  Heck, they've allowed DNA testing on some of these pale skinned mummies and they're even displayed in national museums: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tarim_mummies

 

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Awlsew
13 minutes ago, Kenemet said:

How would we know?

Seriously.  If they control the excavation, they could say they found no mummy or any type of remains that they liked, including his entire court.   State archaeologists would go along with that and there wouldn't be any outsiders there.  Heck, they could stage an entire tomb in there and we wouldn't know.

And the "inconvenient mummies" don't seem terribly inconvenient to them.  Heck, they've allowed DNA testing on some of these pale skinned mummies and they're even displayed in national museums: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tarim_mummies

 

Scholars generally agree that Uighurs did not migrate to what is now Xinjiang from Central Asia until the 10th century. But, uncomfortably for the Chinese authorities, evidence from the mummies also offers a far more nuanced history of settlement than the official Chinese version.

https://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/19/world/asia/19mummy.html

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Kenemet

Plus, I seriously doubt there's anything odd (or non-Chinese) about the first Qin emperor. 

He comes from known family lines AND both his father and mother are recorded.  Given the tenor of the times, if he had not been Chinese, he would never have gained or stayed on the throne. 

There's a lot of interesting drama around him, but as far as I can see, all the depictions of him are pretty standard Chinese and there's no hint that his mother (whose birthplace was known) was Caucasian. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qin_Shi_Huang

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Kenemet
1 minute ago, Awlsew said:

Scholars generally agree that Uighurs did not migrate to what is now Xinjiang from Central Asia until the 10th century. But, uncomfortably for the Chinese authorities, evidence from the mummies also offers a far more nuanced history of settlement than the official Chinese version.

https://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/19/world/asia/19mummy.html

As I said, they'd just cover it up... because they would have been in control of the excavation.  And the mummy could be lost or simply not there.  Not a problem.  

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Cryptid_Control

Well, glad to see I’ve started some discussion 3 years later. Didn’t realize I had email notifications on until I came home to 100 emails :’) . I honestly didn’t even think of the Caucasian mummy possibility so I guess I’ve got some reading to do tonight 

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Piney
4 minutes ago, Awlsew said:

Scholars generally agree that Uighurs did not migrate to what is now Xinjiang from Central Asia until the 10th century. But, uncomfortably for the Chinese authorities, evidence from the mummies also offers a far more nuanced history of settlement than the official Chinese version.

https://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/19/world/asia/19mummy.html

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Göktürks

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashina_tribe

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xianbei

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cumans

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yancai

There's a lot more

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