jaylemurph Posted August 21, 2019 #151 Share Posted August 21, 2019 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Awlsew said: It defines that ancient Chinese mummies are caucasian. Simple as that. Are you genuinely that stupid or just that much of a troll? —Jaylemurph Edited August 21, 2019 by jaylemurph 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Awlsew Posted August 21, 2019 #152 Share Posted August 21, 2019 2 minutes ago, cormac mac airt said: There is no such thing as 'Caucasian DNA'. cormac The Cherchen Man was/is caucasian, simple as that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Awlsew Posted August 21, 2019 #153 Share Posted August 21, 2019 1 minute ago, jaylemurph said: Are you genuinely that stupid or just that much of a troll? —Jaylemurph The Cherchen man was/is caucasian. Simple as that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cormac mac airt Posted August 21, 2019 #154 Share Posted August 21, 2019 1 minute ago, Awlsew said: Not my claim. It has been made by countless others. How many sources do you need? the Cherchen man, along with the others found in his tomb, were Caucasian https://chinesemummies.weebly.com/cherchen-man.html His features DON'T define his DNA. That should be simple enough for anyone to grasp. My own features are "Caucasian", as it were, however my mtDNA having originated BEFORE the Last Glacial Maximum and the origin of light skin tones in Europeans would have originated in an ancester of at least brown skin tones. Does that then mean I'm NOT 'Caucasian'? You're comparing apples and oranges. cormac 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Awlsew Posted August 21, 2019 #155 Share Posted August 21, 2019 The oldest mummies are from 2000 BC. Until the year 0, all of them are of the "Caucasian" type, meaning sharp nose, deep eye sockets, light skin, bright or brown hair, and, on men, strong beard. http://www.dandebat.dk/eng-dan10.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cormac mac airt Posted August 21, 2019 #156 Share Posted August 21, 2019 4 minutes ago, Awlsew said: I never said there was only one specifc type 'Caucasian DNA'. Why would you assume I did? It doesn't matter how many types of DNA there are, you specifically said this: Quote Yes, but these mummies they keep digging up in China, especially in 'tomb complexes' seem to always be Caucasian with Caucasian DNA. Again, there is no such thing as Caucasian DNA. cormac 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Awlsew Posted August 21, 2019 #157 Share Posted August 21, 2019 Just now, cormac mac airt said: His features DON'T define his DNA. That should be simple enough for anyone to grasp. cormac Ok. You are interested in giving a dictianary lesson. Doesn't change the idea that the tomb of Qin may contain a caucasian. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cormac mac airt Posted August 21, 2019 #158 Share Posted August 21, 2019 5 minutes ago, Awlsew said: The Cherchen Man was/is caucasian, simple as that. Doesn't make his DNA Caucasian, a distinction that you apparently DON'T understand, but continually misrepresent. cormac 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Awlsew Posted August 21, 2019 #159 Share Posted August 21, 2019 1 minute ago, cormac mac airt said: It doesn't matter how many types of DNA there are, you specifically said this: Again, there is no such thing as Caucasian DNA. cormac How about DNA from a caucasian. The tomb of Qin may contain a mummy that has DNA from a caucasian. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cormac mac airt Posted August 21, 2019 #160 Share Posted August 21, 2019 Just now, Awlsew said: Ok. You are interested in giving a dictianary lesson. Doesn't change the idea that the tomb of Qin may contain a caucasian. No, I'm interested in accuracy and you are NOT accurate in your claim concerning DNA. It's really that simple. cormac 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Awlsew Posted August 21, 2019 #161 Share Posted August 21, 2019 1 minute ago, cormac mac airt said: Doesn't make his DNA Caucasian, a distinction that you apparently DON'T understand, but continually misrepresent. cormac How about the Cherchen man is caucasian and has DNA. Would that work? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Awlsew Posted August 21, 2019 #162 Share Posted August 21, 2019 Just now, cormac mac airt said: No, I'm interested in accuracy and you are NOT accurate in your claim concerning DNA. It's really that simple. cormac Nothing you have said changes the idea that the tomb of Qin may contain a caucasian mummy which has DNA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cormac mac airt Posted August 21, 2019 #163 Share Posted August 21, 2019 1 minute ago, Awlsew said: How about DNA from a caucasian. The tomb of Qin may contain a mummy that has DNA from a caucasian. His skin tone may be Caucasian, that is not in dispute, but his DNA can NEVER be classified the same as it originated BEFORE there were any Caucasians. cormac 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cormac mac airt Posted August 21, 2019 #164 Share Posted August 21, 2019 3 minutes ago, Awlsew said: How about the Cherchen man is caucasian and has DNA. Would that work? I hope he had DNA otherwise he wasn't human. Having DNA wasn't the problem, the specific claim you made about it was. cormac 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Awlsew Posted August 21, 2019 #165 Share Posted August 21, 2019 Just now, cormac mac airt said: His skin tone may be Caucasian, that is not in dispute, but his DNA can NEVER be classified the same as it originated BEFORE there were any Caucasians. cormac What about his genes? Of these genes, DCHS2, RUNX2, GLI3, PAX1 and PAX3 were found to determine nasal morphology, whereas EDAR impacts chin protrusion and facial hair, both of which have been recently selected in Caucasians[44][45] Does he contain any of these genes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cormac mac airt Posted August 21, 2019 #166 Share Posted August 21, 2019 2 minutes ago, Awlsew said: Nothing you have said changes the idea that the tomb of Qin may contain a caucasian mummy which has DNA. Never claimed it would. Nothing you have said claims you know anything meaningful about DNA. THAT was the issue. cormac 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Awlsew Posted August 21, 2019 #167 Share Posted August 21, 2019 1 minute ago, cormac mac airt said: I hope he had DNA otherwise he wasn't human. Having DNA wasn't the problem, the specific claim you made about it was. cormac His DNA would show caucasian features. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Awlsew Posted August 21, 2019 #168 Share Posted August 21, 2019 1 minute ago, cormac mac airt said: Never claimed it would. Nothing you have said claims you know anything meaningful about DNA. THAT was the issue. cormac Why would I need to know anything meaningful about DNA for the opinion I stated in this thread? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cormac mac airt Posted August 21, 2019 #169 Share Posted August 21, 2019 2 minutes ago, Awlsew said: What about his genes? Of these genes, DCHS2, RUNX2, GLI3, PAX1 and PAX3 were found to determine nasal morphology, whereas EDAR impacts chin protrusion and facial hair, both of which have been recently selected in Caucasians[44][45] Does he contain any of these genes? In genetics "recently selected" DOESN'T mean "didn't originally exist". That doesn't help your claim about his DNA. cormac Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Awlsew Posted August 21, 2019 #170 Share Posted August 21, 2019 4 minutes ago, cormac mac airt said: His skin tone may be Caucasian, that is not in dispute, but his DNA can NEVER be classified the same as it originated BEFORE there were any Caucasians. cormac It is a focus on skeletal anatomy, and especially cranial morphology, over skin tone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Awlsew Posted August 21, 2019 #171 Share Posted August 21, 2019 Just now, cormac mac airt said: In genetics "recently selected" DOESN'T mean "didn't originally exist". That doesn't help your claim about his DNA. cormac 1. He is a caucasian. 2. I claimed his DNA would show his caucasian features. Simple as that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cormac mac airt Posted August 21, 2019 #172 Share Posted August 21, 2019 2 minutes ago, Awlsew said: His DNA would show caucasian features. His DNA would show "what was selected" but given the Haplogroups mentioned for him and other Tarim Basin mummies his DNA CANNOT be linked to a specific race, barring an L0, L1 or L2 determination. cormac 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cormac mac airt Posted August 21, 2019 #173 Share Posted August 21, 2019 4 minutes ago, Awlsew said: Why would I need to know anything meaningful about DNA for the opinion I stated in this thread? If you are going to make a claim about DNA then you should know what you are talking about. And given the specific information about the Haplogroups involved, it's evident you don't. cormac 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cormac mac airt Posted August 21, 2019 #174 Share Posted August 21, 2019 3 minutes ago, Awlsew said: It is a focus on skeletal anatomy, and especially cranial morphology, over skin tone. And yet, YOU made the claim about DNA. Perhaps you should shy away from anything genetically related. cormac Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Awlsew Posted August 21, 2019 #175 Share Posted August 21, 2019 1 minute ago, cormac mac airt said: His DNA would show "what was selected" but given the Haplogroups mentioned for him and other Tarim Basin mummies his DNA CANNOT be linked to a specific race, barring an L0, L1 or L2 determination. cormac That is why I said his DNA would show his caucasian features. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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