America in the age of the Trump presidency

[aztek]

of course there was, i just wont believe that dems are corrupt and reps are not, they are same,  just this time system was rigged to reps. advantage, trump did not lie when he said the system is rigged. 

[Unusual Tournament]

Just now, Farmer77 said:

I agree about the result being a referendum on clinton more than an endorsement of Trump.

My comment about it being a fair election is based on what we know about HIllary's tactics this election, screwing bernie with the DNC, colluding with major media outlets , cyber attacks on wikileaks, having her husband meet with the head of the DOJ while under investigation etc. 

Conversely I wouldnt be the slightest bit surprised to see that there was fraud from the republicans as well as the dems. 

Well one thing is for sure America proved its a real democracy. Hilary will regret for the rest of her life being sneaky and manipulative to reach her goals. She should have stopped long ago. And poor Bernie is proof of that. Still Bernie was past his prime and he would have looked frail and lost next to Trump's election brawling. 

[Why not]

Her and Bill's greed for money cost her this election. If they had never started the Clinton Foundation (which we all know was for their profit), she would in all likelyhood not have been viewed as corrupt as she is. The Foundation which led to the need for the private server and what followed from all of that, killed her Presidential run. IMO.

[Myles]

1 hour ago, Silver_Lyre said:

Well one thing is for sure America proved its a real democracy. Hilary will regret for the rest of her life being sneaky and manipulative to reach her goals. She should have stopped long ago. And poor Bernie is proof of that. Still Bernie was past his prime and he would have looked frail and lost next to Trump's election brawling. 

I disagree.  I think Bernie would have beat Trump.   Bernie didn't have the people wanting to vote against him like Hillary did.  

[Farmer77]

1 minute ago, Myles said:

I disagree.  I think Bernie would have beat Trump.   Bernie didn't have the people wanting to vote against him like Hillary did.  

Exactly. The democrats could have run Cobra Commander out there and probably have beaten trump , the paper trail on Hillary is just too long. 

[Sir Wearer of Hats]

2 minutes ago, Farmer77 said:

Exactly. The democrats could have run Cobra Commander out there and probably have beaten trump , the paper trail on Hillary is just too long. 

I don't know, a former used car salesman?

now, if they'd run Destro ....

[Myles]

15 minutes ago, Myles said:

I disagree.  I think Bernie would have beat Trump.   Bernie didn't have the people wanting to vote against him like Hillary did.  

Quoting my own post.

Also, many people voted Trump even though they didn't like him.   Many would have switched to Bernie.   Policies took a back seat in this election.   Unlikability was number 1.  

[aztek]

it was not only about trump himself, i do not believe many would like another socialist with 0 achievements, in WH., his tax plan would bump low and middle class taxes by a lot,  i posted the interactive link before in his thread, with his plan my taxes would be up by about 6k a year. with trump's plan, it would not change much. that alone would turn a lot of people away. he had 0 ideas for america, besides bigger socialistic gvmnt. that is a big turn off in usa,

 

however i'm sure welfare generations would love it, they do not pay taxes.

Edited November 9, 2016 by aztek

[Harte]

8 hours ago, Habitat said:

 It remains to be seen where Trump fits in to that.

Agreed.

But it's a hope, for a change.

Harte

[Harte]

2 hours ago, aztek said:

of course there was, i just wont believe that dems are corrupt and reps are not, they are same,  just this time system was rigged to reps. advantage, trump did not lie when he said the system is rigged. 

You forget that the Republicans ran from Trump.

Well, the Washington Republicans anyway.

Harte

[Unusual Tournament]

52 minutes ago, Myles said:

I disagree.  I think Bernie would have beat Trump.   Bernie didn't have the people wanting to vote against him like Hillary did.  

Well he certainly was of better character. 

[Harte]

50 minutes ago, Farmer77 said:

Exactly. The democrats could have run Cobra Commander out there and probably have beaten trump , the paper trail on Hillary is just too long. 

I think that's probably right.

Seems to me both parties ran the only candidate that the other party could beat.

Harte

[StarMountainKid]

3 hours ago, aztek said:

lol, what? american dream is in you, it is not something president will give you, it is something you work for, if you got what it takes. i see many immigrants in in my area turned the dream into reality. but those who do not have what it takes, have nothing else left but to blame anything and anyone for their failures.

Yes, I understand that, but the American dream is supposed to offer opportunities to be taken, as well. When there are few jobs available and most at low wages, it can be difficult to achieve that dream.

Everyone who is willing to work should at least be able to support a family. Not everyone goes to college, and I feel bad for High School graduates out looking for a job. If everyone went to college or were trained in a skill, there still wouldn't be enough well-paying employment for all of them.

I don't know how to grow the economy these days to an optimum level, if it is possible at all. When Americans manufactured almost everything they bought, well, those days have long passed. It seems almost nothing is made in the U.S.A. anymore.  It may be impossible to regroup and reestablish that kind of economy again.

 

[Arbenol]

Congratulations to all the Trump supporters. I hope he turns out to be the president you want him to be.

I reckon there's many Americans woke up this morning like they've been on a massive bender and are immediately struck with that mortifying thought - "Oh my god, what did I do last night".

For most of this campaign I thought that the Republicans had nominated the only person who couldn't beat Clinton. It turned out that it was the Democrats that nominated the only person who couldn't beat Trump. What a choice!

[aztek]

36 minutes ago, StarMountainKid said:

Yes, I understand that, but the American dream is supposed to offer opportunities to be taken, as well. When there are few jobs available and most at low wages, it can be difficult to achieve that dream.

 

it does offer opportunities, it is up to you to see them and take them, dreams are never easy to achieve. many fail by giving up, but a lot more fail cuz they do not even try.  

do not feel bad for those that do not have what it takes, (acutally i believe everyone does, just not everyone believes they do)  college is good but not an absolute requirement. not to mention it is not that hard to graduate from community college, . and they do not cost much at all. you can study while working, and many companies pay for you, (their tax deduction). nowadays you can even do it over the internet. most jobs do not really care what college you graduated from, as long as you have that diploma, they will promote you.

than there are trade schools, electricians, plumbers , auto\hvac mechanics, you do not need college there. 

you can join army\navy\af, and make it your carrier, there are many opportunities. 

sure some make poor choices, end up in prison, than no wonder no one wants to hire them, can't blame anything but themselves.

and than when  you  learn how your trade works.  and willing to take a chance, and confident in your abilities,  you open up your own shop. hire people to work for you.... etc.

why did some kids i went to school with, end up becoming someone, but others pretty much did not, all had same opportunities, all came from same low\middle class. some made it, others did not. 

 

Edited November 9, 2016 by aztek

[StarMountainKid]

Here's the American dream in my little town of about 16,000. In the last five years three factories have shut down. 650 jobs lost in one factory, about 1,000 workers laid off all together. One company moved their operations to China. Even the temporary services have moved out of town.

The unemployment rate here is 7.8%. High School and the local college graduate students every year. Where are these going to find work? They can travel to other local towns, but there's not a lot of employment anywhere in this vicinity.

The real go-getters I suppose may travel to some larger cities, but not everyone is able to just move away. That takes money to try to settle in some city and try to find employment.

Donald Trump says he's going to fix the economy and create jobs. I think this is a more daunting task than he realizes. Cutting taxes for the wealthy and corporations will probably result in more cash in their pockets. A company can build a new factory, but who is going to buy their products? Almost everything we buy is made in China and Asia, and is therefore inexpensive. American manufacturing companies cannot compete in this kind of marketplace. If they could, everything we buy would be made in the U.S. and not in China,

This is why I say the American dream for most working people no longer exists, unless we consider working for minimum wage a dream come true.

 

 

[Black Red Devil]

8 hours ago, aztek said:

of course there was, i just wont believe that dems are corrupt and reps are not, they are same,  just this time system was rigged to reps. advantage, trump did not lie when he said the system is rigged. 

Wow two sensible posts in the one thread, you feeling OK?

I bet even Trump knew he had no chance until Comey illegally influenced the elections in the last week.  Polls don't usually get it this wrong which probably means there was a last minute re-think from a large amount of swing voters who weren't necessarily aligned to either Candidate but we're eventually influenced by the FBI Director's decision to play politics and announce sensitive information at a crucial time of a balanced election.  By doing so he basically told everyone, "this is too important to overlook" which would tend to convince people something fishy is truly going on.

I don't believe Trump had anything to do with this.  See the Neocons in Congress for your answers.  

link

[Black Red Devil]

16 hours ago, stevewinn said:

Just like they couldn't Barrage the Farage over here they couldn't Stump the Trump over there.

The Winners enclosure.

 

And funny enough, Farage isn't anymore part of the Brexit entourage and Trump has to still prove whether he's a champ or a chump.

[Thorvir]

3 minutes ago, Black Red Devil said:

Wow two sensible posts in the one thread, you feeling OK?

We're still waiting for you to post your first one.

3 minutes ago, Black Red Devil said:

Polls don't usually get it this wrong

They do when the pollsters screw it up so completely, or are biased in the first place.

3 minutes ago, Black Red Devil said:

...which probably means there was a last minute re-think from a large amount of swing voters who weren't necessarily aligned to either Candidate but we're eventually influenced by the FBI Director's decision to play politics and announce sensitive information at a crucial time of a balanced election.

I hope you wore your tinfoil hat when you posted that.

3 minutes ago, Black Red Devil said:

By doing so he basically told everyone, "this is too important to overlook" which would tend to convince people something fishy is truly going on.

Which there actually is some fishy going on, and is too important to overlook.

[Black Red Devil]

2 minutes ago, Thorvir Hrothgaard said:

We're still waiting for you to post your first one.

They do when the pollsters screw it up so completely, or are biased in the first place.

I hope you wore your tinfoil hat when you posted that.

Which there actually is some fishy going on, and is too important to overlook.

Oh looky here, my shadow replied to me.  Nooow I've finally worked you out.  When I quote someone else's post you answer, but when I quote yours and ask for proof on some of the ridiculous garbage you spew, you go in hiding.  LOL and I'm the one with the tin foil hat.    You're so obtuse you'd probably put it on upside down.  Also, the rest of your post is just gullible screwball material.  Try again another time when you make sense (like never).

[Myles]

8 hours ago, Black Red Devil said:

Wow two sensible posts in the one thread, you feeling OK?

I bet even Trump knew he had no chance until Comey illegally influenced the elections in the last week.  Polls don't usually get it this wrong which probably means there was a last minute re-think from a large amount of swing voters who weren't necessarily aligned to either Candidate but we're eventually influenced by the FBI Director's decision to play politics and announce sensitive information at a crucial time of a balanced election.

 

 

I think the difference was that Hillary supporters didn't think their vote was needed to win.   So they didn't show up.

[preacherman76]

12 hours ago, StarMountainKid said:

Here's the American dream in my little town of about 16,000. In the last five years three factories have shut down. 650 jobs lost in one factory, about 1,000 workers laid off all together. One company moved their operations to China. Even the temporary services have moved out of town.

The unemployment rate here is 7.8%. High School and the local college graduate students every year. Where are these going to find work? They can travel to other local towns, but there's not a lot of employment anywhere in this vicinity.

The real go-getters I suppose may travel to some larger cities, but not everyone is able to just move away. That takes money to try to settle in some city and try to find employment.

Donald Trump says he's going to fix the economy and create jobs. I think this is a more daunting task than he realizes. Cutting taxes for the wealthy and corporations will probably result in more cash in their pockets. A company can build a new factory, but who is going to buy their products? Almost everything we buy is made in China and Asia, and is therefore inexpensive. American manufacturing companies cannot compete in this kind of marketplace. If they could, everything we buy would be made in the U.S. and not in China,

This is why I say the American dream for most working people no longer exists, unless we consider working for minimum wage a dream come true.

 

 

The incentives for companies to come back and hire Americans will be strong. They sell a great portion of their products to Americans. You may be right. The dream might be dead. But we just elected the best possible chance to revive it, if it is possible. I for one look forward to seeing what he can do.

[aztek]

12 hours ago, StarMountainKid said:

Here's the American dream in my little town of about 16,000. In the last five years three factories have shut down. 650 jobs lost in one factory, about 1,000 workers laid off all together. One company moved their operations to China. Even the temporary services have moved out of town.

The unemployment rate here is 7.8%. High School and the local college graduate students every year. Where are these going to find work? They can travel to other local towns, but there's not a lot of employment anywhere in this vicinity.

The real go-getters I suppose may travel to some larger cities, but not everyone is able to just move away. That takes money to try to settle in some city and try to find employment.

Donald Trump says he's going to fix the economy and create jobs. I think this is a more daunting task than he realizes. Cutting taxes for the wealthy and corporations will probably result in more cash in their pockets. A company can build a new factory, but who is going to buy their products? Almost everything we buy is made in China and Asia, and is therefore inexpensive. American manufacturing companies cannot compete in this kind of marketplace. If they could, everything we buy would be made in the U.S. and not in China,

This is why I say the American dream for most working people no longer exists, unless we consider working for minimum wage a dream come true.

 

 

i'm sorry but it does not look like a dream, looks like an excuse. sure most wont achieve much, if they keep attitude like that,  you said it yourself, some go getters do make it, while others do not, what do they have that others do not? they have that dream in them, and they willing to put an effort to make it come true. others look for excuses. 

btw it is better idea to look for work than move, not move and look for work, 

 

sure some are disabled, and can not physically do some jobs, i'm not talking about those, thou we do have ADA act. i'm talking about young or mid aged healthy people.  

 

 

[Thorvir]

56 minutes ago, preacherman76 said:

The incentives for companies to come back and hire Americans will be strong. They sell a great portion of their products to Americans. You may be right. The dream might be dead. But we just elected the best possible chance to revive it, if it is possible. I for one look forward to seeing what he can do.

If I call Frontier again for some internet trouble, and I end up speaking to an American instead of an Indian (dot, not feather) because of changes Trump made, then as far as I'm concerned that makes him one of the greatest Presidents in US history.

[RavenHawk]

13 hours ago, StarMountainKid said:

This is why I say the American dream for most working people no longer exists, unless we consider working for minimum wage a dream come true.

Well, that may be an inconvenient reality.  Because a nation that does not make things does not survive for long.  I don’t mean those soft consumables.  I’m talking durable goods and processing raw materials.  We have become a consumer only and service orientated nation.  No wonder our GDP is anemic.  The only way to raise the minimum wage is to grow the economy.  We need to do whatever we can to get GDP up to 4 or 5%.  Then we need strategies to maintain it.  I know, easier said than done but now is the time to figure that all out.  We have allowed planned obsolescence and disposable economies over take the quality and lasting products ‘made in America’.  It’s time for a comeback.