Yamato Posted November 21, 2016 #701 Share Posted November 21, 2016 4 minutes ago, DieChecker said: Myself, I see nothing wrong with Trumps daughter being involved. Michelle Obama was involved in plenty of things, and Hillary also. Why must a grown daughter take a step back, when the wife can be nationally involved also. Hillary brags about the Federal legislation she was trying to get into law when she was First Lady. If she's running his businesses too then yeah, there's something wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Likely Guy Posted November 21, 2016 #702 Share Posted November 21, 2016 9 minutes ago, DieChecker said: As I remember, that was one of the things that when it was pointed out that the Republicans could use one day to their own advantage, that many Liberal posters here said the Republicans were DONE in US politics and thus there was no threat. I guess they're crying (literally) about that Win which has turned into a Fail now. (A fail for them, that is...) Someone else said it best. Get over the "nyah, nyah, nyah..." and on with the job. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+DieChecker Posted November 21, 2016 #703 Share Posted November 21, 2016 7 hours ago, Ellapennella said: "it saddens me that we are at a point where many feel the VP does not represent everyone" Hell, what about the 50% of people who Hillary wasn't representing. Would these "diverse" liberal actors have called her out? Hell no, because they believe she represents them. Complete hypocrites. I don't blame them, but they are hypocrites none the less. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+DieChecker Posted November 21, 2016 #704 Share Posted November 21, 2016 5 minutes ago, Likely Guy said: Someone else said it best. Get over the "nyah, nyah, nyah..." and on with the job. I'll take that as a "Yeah, you're right about that... let's move on..." 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+DieChecker Posted November 21, 2016 #705 Share Posted November 21, 2016 7 minutes ago, Yamato said: If she's running his businesses too then yeah, there's something wrong. Why? Do you believe Trump isn't going to run his business any more? You believe no one in Congress owns and runs a business?? Unless someone uses Federal power to affect their Civilian business, there is no crime involved. There may be a Conflict of Interest, but even then, if it is out in the open, and monitored for abuse, there should be no problem. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+DieChecker Posted November 21, 2016 #706 Share Posted November 21, 2016 7 hours ago, Ellapennella said: The far left behave like an annoying brainwashed individual that will follow you and follow you and follow you demanding for you to live the way they say you can live think and speak...do it their way, no matter how un American their way is..they will follow and taunt and follow and taunt and follow and taunt , where does it end with them? does it stop when they convert you? LOL The Liberal youth reminds me of my friend's kids... Take a bath and scream for a half hour for a towel, when one is sitting right there on the counter waiting for them. Scream in the car that they need their mom, while she's driving. They don't stop till she gets home and gets them out. They are offered food, and when it is not candy, they throw it on the floor. These protesters need to Grow Up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+DieChecker Posted November 21, 2016 #707 Share Posted November 21, 2016 2 hours ago, Yamato said: What's the methodology of lobbying minimization? I thought is was going to be legislation to limit who can lobby after being a Federal Employee, and for how long? Aren't most lobbyists former Federal employees with big Rolodexs full of people they can lobby toward? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+DieChecker Posted November 21, 2016 #708 Share Posted November 21, 2016 6 hours ago, Lord Fedorable said: In fact, there's something very Borgia about the whole shebang, the pater familiaris takes over the most powerful position in the land, he subtly (and not so subtly) appoints family members to positions of control and influence and all but uses the position of power to leverage control further into the hands of the family. It worked for the Clintons and Bushes, yes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Likely Guy Posted November 21, 2016 #709 Share Posted November 21, 2016 (edited) 25 minutes ago, DieChecker said: I'll take that as a "Yeah, you're right about that... let's move on..." I'll take that as a "Yeah, we'll agree to disagree... let's move on." Edited November 21, 2016 by Likely Guy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+DieChecker Posted November 21, 2016 #710 Share Posted November 21, 2016 (edited) 13 minutes ago, Likely Guy said: I'll take that as a "Yeah, we'll agree to disagree... let's move on." You disagree that the rule Harry Reid put into effect will be turned to Republican's favor? Because that is what I was referencing. Or, maybe you are referring to the "... I guess they're crying (literally) about that Win which has turned into a Fail now.". If so, then I could see you disagreeing, because that was only my opinion. Edited November 21, 2016 by DieChecker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gromdor Posted November 21, 2016 #711 Share Posted November 21, 2016 56 minutes ago, DieChecker said: Myself, I see nothing wrong with Trumps daughter being involved. Michelle Obama was involved in plenty of things, and Hillary also. Why must a grown daughter take a step back, when the wife can be nationally involved also. Hillary brags about the Federal legislation she was trying to get into law when she was First Lady. Except that Trump was supposed to leave his businesses to her and the rest of the kids to separate his business and politics. He is already giving the democrats plenty of ammunition for corruption charges with the foreign diplomats suddenly staying at his hotels and his meeting with business partners in India. It's making the Clinton Foundation's pay to play look like kiddy money. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Likely Guy Posted November 21, 2016 #712 Share Posted November 21, 2016 9 minutes ago, DieChecker said: You disagree that the rule Harry Reid put into effect will be turned to Republican's favor? Because that is what I was referencing. Or, maybe you are referring to the "... I guess they're crying (literally) about that Win which has turned into a Fail now.". If so, then I could see you disagreeing, because that was only my opinion. You should be far clearer on your intent since you never mentioned Reid in your post. We're not mind readers. That didn't make a lot of sense. I just said , "agree to disagree". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+DieChecker Posted November 21, 2016 #713 Share Posted November 21, 2016 4 minutes ago, Gromdor said: Except that Trump was supposed to leave his businesses to her and the rest of the kids to separate his business and politics. He is already giving the democrats plenty of ammunition for corruption charges with the foreign diplomats suddenly staying at his hotels and his meeting with business partners in India. It's making the Clinton Foundation's pay to play look like kiddy money. I thought we were told by the media that there was no Pay to Play? I'd not heard Trump was relinquishing the everyday operations of his business empire. I'll look into it. Regardless, I don't think that there need be a conflict of interest in owning a business and being an elected official. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+DieChecker Posted November 21, 2016 #714 Share Posted November 21, 2016 (edited) Double post.. Edited November 21, 2016 by DieChecker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+DieChecker Posted November 21, 2016 #715 Share Posted November 21, 2016 9 minutes ago, Likely Guy said: You should be far clearer on your intent since you never mentioned Reid in your post. We're not mind readers. That didn't make a lot of sense. I just said , "agree to disagree". The post that I was responding to in my post, that you quoted, clearly referenced Reid, and the use of Nuclear Option in the Senate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gromdor Posted November 21, 2016 #716 Share Posted November 21, 2016 1 minute ago, DieChecker said: I thought we were told by the media that there was no Pay to Play? I'd not heard Trump was relinquishing the everyday operations of his business empire. I'll look into it. Regardless, I don't think that there need be a conflict of interest in owning a business and being an elected official. Using a government position for personal gain is the very definition of corruption. Is it okay for a guy that owns casinos to sit on a board that determines who gets gambling licenses? Is it okay for a guy that owns a drug testing company to write a law requiring drug tests for people on welfare or social security? Is it okay for a guy that owns a chemical plant next to a river to write water purity laws? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+DieChecker Posted November 21, 2016 #717 Share Posted November 21, 2016 (edited) 24 minutes ago, Gromdor said: Using a government position for personal gain is the very definition of corruption. Is it okay for a guy that owns casinos to sit on a board that determines who gets gambling licenses? Is it okay for a guy that owns a drug testing company to write a law requiring drug tests for people on welfare or social security? Is it okay for a guy that owns a chemical plant next to a river to write water purity laws? I'd agree. And as soon as someone shows me legislation coming from Trump that affects real estate laws, or casino laws, I'll be right behind everyone else calling it illegal. Has any such legislation been suggested yet? What would be the nature of a Trump, Donald or Ivanka, conflict of interest? Edited November 21, 2016 by DieChecker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yamato Posted November 21, 2016 #718 Share Posted November 21, 2016 1 hour ago, DieChecker said: Why? Do you believe Trump isn't going to run his business any more? You believe no one in Congress owns and runs a business?? In this government feast of our money together with all those potential conflicts of interest, do you want less or more pork at the table? Do you have any idea how much work it is to run a business? Yeah, I don't want a single member of Congress getting phone calls every day pertaining to their "business". Sorry they chose a different "business". If too many people believe this isn't a problem, it's no wonder we have a derelict Congress! They don't even read their own laws. They don't even declare their own wars. They probably haven't even picked up a copy of the Constitution and read it in many years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+DieChecker Posted November 21, 2016 #719 Share Posted November 21, 2016 3 minutes ago, Yamato said: In this government feast of our money together with all those potential conflicts of interest, do you want less or more pork at the table? Do you have any idea how much work it is to run a business? Yeah, I don't want a single member of Congress getting phone calls every day pertaining to their "business". Sorry they chose a different "business". If too many people believe this isn't a problem, it's no wonder we have a derelict Congress! They don't even read their own laws. They don't even declare their own wars. They probably haven't even picked up a copy of the Constitution and read it in many years. I know that the Owners of all the small businesses I've worked for, both of which had sales of about 10 million a year each, spent almost no time at the office. One liked to travel and golf, and the other enjoyed his ranch and golf. I image that if Trump could run a weekly reality show, with a dozen celebrities, that he's not be spending 10 hour days at work. I imagine he probably only makes the highest level executive decisions, and actually works only an hour or so a day. Possibly gets everything done with one visit to the office for 6 hours on Fridays. What do you know about CEO work habits? Regardless, you're not disputing that members of Congress own businesses and run them, but only that it could turn into a conflict of interest. Which is fine. It would be nice if elected officials concentrated on their elected job, but we all know that doesn't really happen as much as we'd like. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yamato Posted November 21, 2016 #720 Share Posted November 21, 2016 7 minutes ago, DieChecker said: Regardless, you're not disputing that members of Congress own businesses and run them, but only that it could turn into a conflict of interest. Which is fine. Thanks. Quote It would be nice if elected officials concentrated on their elected job, but we all know that doesn't really happen as much as we'd like. Right, because it's our job to make sure that they do. But if we're just making excuses for it, we won't be doing anything to fix it. Quote I image that if Trump could run a weekly reality show, with a dozen celebrities, that he's not be spending 10 hour days at work. I imagine he probably only makes the highest level executive decisions, and actually works only an hour or so a day. Possibly gets everything done with one visit to the office for 6 hours on Fridays. really? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gromdor Posted November 21, 2016 #721 Share Posted November 21, 2016 Here's an interesting article about the conflict of interest: http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/president-trumps-unprecedented-conflicts-of-interest/ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habitat Posted November 21, 2016 #722 Share Posted November 21, 2016 Melania not going to the White House ! Staying in NY, at least till mid 2017. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lilly Posted November 21, 2016 #723 Share Posted November 21, 2016 38 minutes ago, Habitat said: Melania not going to the White House ! Staying in NY, at least till mid 2017. Because Mrs Trump is waiting until their 10 year old son finishes school before making the move. Even CNN has this information: http://www.cnn.com/2016/11/20/politics/melania-trump-barron-white-house/ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rashore Posted November 21, 2016 #724 Share Posted November 21, 2016 6 minutes ago, Lilly said: Because Mrs Trump is waiting until their 10 year old son finishes school before making the move. Even CNN has this information: http://www.cnn.com/2016/11/20/politics/melania-trump-barron-white-house/ Heh, I kind of feel sorry for the secret service guys that have to do that detail. I wouldn't want to pull security in New York like that, the logistics are probably a PITA. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lilly Posted November 21, 2016 #725 Share Posted November 21, 2016 I bet the school that Barron Trump attends will have security up the yin/yang for the remainder of the school year. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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