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Is Trump Keeping his Campaign Promises?

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Farmer77

Reports are beginning to come out that Donald Trump is already compromising on some of his campaign promises/rhetoric. 

 

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Hyades

We might be in for surprises, Trump is a family man, business man all his life, he will be somehow influenced by high end contributors, probably lobbyists (though unfortunate in the sense that they are there for the money), and he will make some U turns along the way.  My 2 cents.

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Dumbledore the Awesome

'old on, he doesn't actually start the job until January. Give him a chance, for pete's sake. And everyone was howling that he was the new *insert name of tyrant of your choice here*, so now it's a bad thing that he might be saying that he might not actually literally do all the terrible things that everyone was howling about? Knowing how to compromise is part of the art of politics, and he seems to be picking it up already. Give him a chance.

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Farmer77
24 minutes ago, Grand Moff Tarkin said:

'old on, he doesn't actually start the job until January. Give him a chance, for pete's sake. And everyone was howling that he was the new *insert name of tyrant of your choice here*, so now it's a bad thing that he might be saying that he might not actually literally do all the terrible things that everyone was howling about? Knowing how to compromise is part of the art of politics, and he seems to be picking it up already. Give him a chance.

I keep hearing people say that yet its not like he has gone into stasis until then, he is out there talking and making plans as the president elect. 

But the only good thing about trump was that he was an outsider who was supposed to be different. The things I posted articles about were the centerpieces of his campaign and he is already saying (if true , i cant vouch for the authenticity of the quotes in the  Univision article I posted) that he isnt going to hold to them.

I guess i expected the same folks who spent two years proclaiming how great it would be to have an outsider drain the swamp would be watching to make sure he actually did that. 

 

Truthfully I just watched  a video of Trump in one of his hotels giving an autograph to a little girl and damnit I want to like him. I really do and I can see why he has gotten where he is in life. I just think his actual history as a democrat combined with what we've seen just 4 days into his term as president elect is starting to point in a different direction altogether.

I hope im wrong but I also equally hope that Americans can be intellectually honest enough with themselves to not fall into the classic partisan patterns of dismissing anything "our guy" does because he has the appropriate letter next to their name if im not. Like the dems did with Obama and Obamacare, Syria and Libya and like we repubs (i was one back then)  did with W and well just about everything. 

 

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susieice

Glad you said that GMT. Trump isn't even in office yet.

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36 minutes ago, Grand Moff Tarkin said:

'old on, he doesn't actually start the job until January. Give him a chance, for pete's sake. And everyone was howling that he was the new *insert name of tyrant of your choice here*, so now it's a bad thing that he might be saying that he might not actually literally do all the terrible things that everyone was howling about? Knowing how to compromise is part of the art of politics, and he seems to be picking it up already. Give him a chance.

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(Lol. I'm really just kidding GMT. I want to give him a chance too. But I couldn't resist posting this and thinking about Trumps' acting bit in the WWE against old Vince when you said that last line.)

 

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Dumbledore the Awesome
29 minutes ago, Farmer77 said:

I keep hearing people say that yet its not like he has gone into stasis until then, he is out there talking and making plans as the president elect. 

But the only good thing about trump was that he was an outsider who was supposed to be different. The things I posted articles about were the centerpieces of his campaign and he is already saying (if true , i cant vouch for the authenticity of the quotes in the  Univision article I posted) that he isnt going to hold to them.

I guess i expected the same folks who spent two years proclaiming how great it would be to have an outsider drain the swamp would be watching to make sure he actually did that. 

 

Truthfully I just watched  a video of Trump in one of his hotels giving an autograph to a little girl and damnit I want to like him. I really do and I can see why he has gotten where he is in life. I just think his actual history as a democrat combined with what we've seen just 4 days into his term as president elect is starting to point in a different direction altogether.

I hope im wrong but I also equally hope that Americans can be intellectually honest enough with themselves to not fall into the classic partisan patterns of dismissing anything "our guy" does because he has the appropriate letter next to their name if im not. Like the dems did with Obama and Obamacare, Syria and Libya and like we repubs (i was one back then)  did with W and well just about everything. 

 

So now you're worried that he might not be radical enough? Like I've said before, I'd be quite happy if he just turned out to be an old-fashioned conservative who feels that there are perhaps more productive things he could be doing that believing that he can re-manufacture countries in the way that America wants. 

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Farmer77
Just now, Grand Moff Tarkin said:

So now you're worried that he might not be radical enough? Like I've said before, I'd be quite happy if he just turned out to be an old-fashioned conservative who feels that there are perhaps more productive things he could be doing that believing that he can re-manufacture countries in the way that America wants. 

Yeah i am definitely worried that he wont be radical enough in that aspect.  

I do agree with you about the need to end our wars for profit, my concern is that by doing things he has thus far like saddling up with such characters as a Goldman Sachs shill and Guiliani (who has called for boots on the ground in Syria) nothing will actually change beyond which demographic appreciates the lip service. 

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bee

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Trump has to be very careful as his enemies circle like sharks and he enters the lion's den of politics at the
highest level -  

After he had met with Obama and the two of them spoke to the press I found his body language a bit hard
to read - yes there were going to be tensions, natural tensions after what the two men had said about each other
during the campaigning - and I expect they were both tired after the build up and drama of the voting -

but

there was more than this and to me Trump looked like he had just had a shock and his thoughts were spinning -
although he held it together and said the right things that are befitting of a President Elect -

Trump is obviously a man who is used to being in control and doing things pretty much the way he wants to do them
and being President is going to be quite a bit different to that I think - and that may have started dawning on him.?
hence the beginnings of some possible compromises - he is clever enough to understand that some compromises may be
necessary but he can still negotiate for what he promised in his campaign - 

I think he should get away from all the sharks and lions for a few days at least to let it all sink in and for his brain
to process it all - he need to have some relaxation and reflection because he is only human and not superman -
and that's why it is only reasonable to give him time to process events and give him a CHANCE - 

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-11-11/clintons-and-soros-launch-americas-purple-revolution

quote...

President-elect Trump is facing a two-pronged attack by his opponents. One, led by entrenched neo-con bureaucrats, including former Central Intelligence Agency and National Security Agency director Michael Hayden, former Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff, and Bush family loyalists are seeking to call the shots on who Trump appoints to senior national security, intelligence, foreign policy, and defense positions in his administration. These neo-Cold Warriors are trying to convince Trump that he must maintain the Obama aggressiveness and militancy toward Russia, China, Iran, Venezuela, Cuba, and other countries. The second front arrayed against Trump is from Soros-funded political groups and media. This second line of attack is a propaganda war, utilizing hundreds of anti-Trump newspapers, web sites, and broadcasters, that will seek to undermine public confidence in the Trump administration from its outset.

end quote...

 

note and worth repeating -  "This second line of attack is a propaganda war, utilizing hundreds of anti-Trump newspapers, web sites, and broadcasters, that will seek to undermine public confidence in the Trump administration from its outset."

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Sir Wearer of Hats

I think Trump has been sat down by Obama and had some facts spelt out to him, and if the body language experts are to be believed, he's had the fear of God put into him by it.

hes probably had "The Speech" from Obama (ie the same one Obama got from Bush, who got it from Clinton, who got it .....) and now realises the scope of his future responsibilities.

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bee

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I've just seen the woman who was on the Apprentice with him doing her fake crying, on Sky News -

The MInd Control Media is not going to ease off on him any time soon - 

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Gromdor

I'm actually taking his reversals as a good sign.  Many of his promises were simply insane or impractical.  Now that he has the office and doesn't need to pander to the masses for their votes he can actually show his true colors.  If these stories are true, then he is showing himself to be more practical that idealist.

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Maureen_jacobs

He is not in office yet.  It's been four days. Call me after January 2017.

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Dark_Grey

Check out this CBS interview to get a sense of how President Trump will handle Obama's legacy in the middle East:

The talking heads are literally speechless. They were looking forward to "Donald the Clown" but instead they got a Commander in Chief.

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Lilly

Ha! They do indeed look a bit surprised. I always suspected there had to be something 'more' to Trump than what we were seeing during the election campaign (least I hoped there was).

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Dumbledore the Awesome
10 hours ago, Lord Fedorable said:

I think Trump has been sat down by Obama and had some facts spelt out to him, and if the body language experts are to be believed, he's had the fear of God put into him by it.

hes probably had "The Speech" from Obama (ie the same one Obama got from Bush, who got it from Clinton, who got it .....) and now realises the scope of his future responsibilities.

Being lectured on responsibilities by Bill?

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third_eye

The Post Mortem of the US Elections 2016 over this side of the Globe ...

generally the sentiments are upbeat ... Trump has too much to loose to rock any boats and will be a better good 'puppy' than the normal pet, contradictory to usual precepts its actually his detractors has most to gain with him in office as Trump has more to prove to them than to his own rabid supporters, talk about a conundrum ... :lol:

On the Elections, all Trump had to do was to actually just close the gap and was thereby presented a 'win' by the indifferent, lazy and presumptuous Voters ... Sparky played it like a Reality TV game show rules which by right and to expectations he would being that's his forte, and true to form he managed a season ending climatic cliff hanger and that shifted the focus over to him, and that resonated with the public most of all ... most of those that voted for him still has no idea what his 'Policies' and 'vision' for the future is ... just the 'Make America Great Again' slogan but what it means ... practically no one has any idea .... just like most of the Hollywood fare these days ...

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Farmer77
17 minutes ago, third_eye said:

The Post Mortem of the US Elections 2016 over this side of the Globe ...

generally the sentiments are upbeat ... Trump has too much to loose to rock any boats and will be a better good 'puppy' than the normal pet, contradictory to usual precepts its actually his detractors has most to gain with him in office as Trump has more to prove to them than to his own rabid supporters, talk about a conundrum ... :lol:

On the Elections, all Trump had to do was to actually just close the gap and was thereby presented a 'win' by the indifferent, lazy and presumptuous Voters ... Sparky played it like a Reality TV game show rules which by right and to expectations he would being that's his forte, and true to form he managed a season ending climatic cliff hanger and that shifted the focus over to him, and that resonated with the public most of all ... most of those that voted for him still has no idea what his 'Policies' and 'vision' for the future is ... just the 'Make America Great Again' slogan but what it means ... practically no one has any idea .... just like most of the Hollywood fare these days ...

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2016 was the "playdough" election. Each candidate stood for everything and nothing so voters could mentall mold them into versions of politicians they wanted to see elected. I mean liberals voted for a mass murderer and conservatives voted for a man who wrote about his support for universal healthcare  for crying out loud. 

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Dumbledore the Awesome
50 minutes ago, Farmer77 said:

2016 was the "playdough" election. Each candidate stood for everything and nothing so voters could mentall mold them into versions of politicians they wanted to see elected. I mean liberals voted for a mass murderer and conservatives voted for a man who wrote about his support for universal healthcare  for crying out loud. 

You seem to see this as a bad thing? (Obviously, Clinton was, but that Republocrats, or at any rate voters who were willing to vote Republocrat, seem to have somewhat less rigid and dogmatic ideas than the usual sticking to the usual party dogma?

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Farmer77
Just now, Grand Moff Tarkin said:

You seem to see this as a bad thing? (Obviously, Clinton was, but that Republocrats, or at any rate voters who were willing to vote Republocrat, seem to have somewhat less rigid and dogmatic ideas than the usual sticking to the usual party dogma?

Thats a great way to spin "we dont stand for anything other than grabbing power" 

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Dumbledore the Awesome

so you believe in standing up for Principles? having Firm Principles is usually a recipe for sticking outdated dinosaur-like attitudes regardless of how unrealistic they become. That can apply either way, to socialists or conservatives. It can very often be a convenient cover for ruthless ambition; Firm Principles about the necessity for military involvement in other countries' affairs, for instance. 

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3 minutes ago, Farmer77 said:

Thats a great way to spin "we dont stand for anything other than grabbing power" 

I'm sure I heard a quote from Trump the other night that said just that..." I said what I had to say to get elected" or words to that effect.  Some lefties were rather mollified by that thought though-  the idea that now he's got the job he might do it properly. The backpeddling seen so far might just be an attempt to calm the fears of the left, and bring unity.  Or it could be a precursor to him coming out as a closet Marxist...it is, after all, a little tricky to predict what he'll do next.

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Farmer77
2 minutes ago, Grand Moff Tarkin said:

so you believe in standing up for Principles? having Firm Principles is usually a recipe for sticking outdated dinosaur-like attitudes regardless of how unrealistic they become. That can apply either way, to socialists or conservatives. It can very often be a convenient cover for ruthless ambition; Firm Principles about the necessity for military involvement in other countries' affairs, for instance. 

Equally disconcerting having no principles leaves one open to all kinds of manipulation and leaves us with a president who isnt accountable to anyone because well he never committed to anything. 

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third_eye
1 hour ago, Farmer77 said:

2016 was the "playdough" election. Each candidate stood for everything and nothing so voters could mentall mold them into versions of politicians they wanted to see elected. I mean liberals voted for a mass murderer and conservatives voted for a man who wrote about his support for universal healthcare  for crying out loud. 

That's a bit far fetched but all in all its a 'game' to the two in the running ... one interesting note I found memorable was that it mattered the least in effect if Hillary won ... because Hillary will be as indebted to the system as Trump is now ...

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15 minutes ago, Grand Moff Tarkin said:

so you believe in standing up for Principles? having Firm Principles is usually a recipe for sticking outdated dinosaur-like attitudes regardless of how unrealistic they become. That can apply either way, to socialists or conservatives. It can very often be a convenient cover for ruthless ambition; Firm Principles about the necessity for military involvement in other countries' affairs, for instance. 

Anyhow this President is the President the United States of America deserved if not wanted in terms of , by and for the people...

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