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Is Trump Keeping his Campaign Promises?

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Farmer77
1 hour ago, ChaosRose said:

 

In an interview with Bloomberg on Wednesday, Tilson said of Trump's supporters, "I think Donald Trump conned them," pointing to the president-elect's frequent campaign-trail tirades against the influence of bankers in Washington.

 

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spartan max2
On Wednesday, November 30, 2016 at 0:36 AM, Gromdor said:

The party I voted for never got a chance to hold office let alone make a mess.

Third parties never take any blame because they never get in office and actually have to work with all members of the house and Senate to get something passed.

I wounder how it would go if they actually won presidency and had to work with people.

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GlitterRose

In exchange for allowing United Technologies to continue to offshore more than 1,000 jobs, Trump will reportedly give the company tax and regulatory favors that the corporation has sought. Just a short few months ago, Trump was pledging to force United Technologies to “pay a damn tax.” He was insisting on very steep tariffs for companies like Carrier that left the United States and wanted to sell their foreign-made products back in the United States. Instead of a damn tax, the company will be rewarded with a damn tax cut. Wow! How’s that for standing up to corporate greed?

 

Trump has endangered the jobs of workers who were previously safe in the United States. Why? Because he has signaled to every corporation in America that they can threaten to offshore jobs in exchange for business-friendly tax benefits and incentives. Even corporations that weren’t thinking of offshoring jobs will most probably be re-evaluating their stance this morning. And who would pay for the high cost for tax cuts that go to the richest businessmen in America? The working class of America.  

 

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=newssearch&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwiP667zl9PQAhXB34MKHeKsD60QuogBCB8oBDAA&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.washingtonpost.com%2Fposteverything%2Fwp%2F2016%2F12%2F01%2Fbernie-sanders-carrier-just-showed-corporations-how-to-beat-donald-trump%2F&usg=AFQjCNFD8zV4bt1dOuhSBqazVHJ4MLicjw&sig2=IEuWtGxlCpZt5AIHzuz7RQ

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GlitterRose

It's a coup...

Trump is putting together what will be the wealthiest administration in modern American history. His announced nominees for top positions include several multimillionaires, an heir to a family mega-fortune and two Forbes-certified billionaires, one of whose family is worth as much as industrial tycoon Andrew Mellon was when he served as treasury secretary nearly a century ago. Rumored candidates for other positions suggest Trump could add more ultra-rich appointees soon.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=newssearch&cd=4&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwi2l-iXmtPQAhVMzoMKHf5CB64QuogBCDEoATAD&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.washingtonpost.com%2Fnews%2Fwonk%2Fwp%2F2016%2F11%2F30%2Fdonald-trump-is-assembling-the-richest-administration-in-modern-american-history%2F&usg=AFQjCNEpGgaK1Xj0K1IgDJPDQ76Hu_WiSw&sig2=aOJNbR9draTSj5XEuAZkpA&bvm=bv.139782543,d.cGw

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Thorvir
2 hours ago, spartan max2 said:

Third parties never take any blame because they never get in office and actually have to work with all members of the house and Senate to get something passed.

I wounder how it would go if they actually won presidency and had to work with people.

Probably very poorly.  Will depend on the people involved, and third-party candidates are just as undesirable as the big two anymore.

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Harte
6 hours ago, ChaosRose said:

It's a coup...

Trump is putting together what will be the wealthiest administration in modern American history. His announced nominees for top positions include several multimillionaires, an heir to a family mega-fortune and two Forbes-certified billionaires, one of whose family is worth as much as industrial tycoon Andrew Mellon was when he served as treasury secretary nearly a century ago. Rumored candidates for other positions suggest Trump could add more ultra-rich appointees soon.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=newssearch&cd=4&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwi2l-iXmtPQAhVMzoMKHf5CB64QuogBCDEoATAD&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.washingtonpost.com%2Fnews%2Fwonk%2Fwp%2F2016%2F11%2F30%2Fdonald-trump-is-assembling-the-richest-administration-in-modern-american-history%2F&usg=AFQjCNEpGgaK1Xj0K1IgDJPDQ76Hu_WiSw&sig2=aOJNbR9draTSj5XEuAZkpA&bvm=bv.139782543,d.cGw

Yeah. What we need are poor people in government so they can become rich through corruption like all the others did.

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Yamato

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Merc14
4 hours ago, Harte said:

Yeah. What we need are poor people in government so they can become rich through corruption like all the others did.

Harte

Yes, let's pick academicians, who have never done anything but teach, to run the country instead of actual successful people who have competed at the international level and won.  Obama's administration was successful at exactly zero things  so let's keep dong that.  :rolleyes:

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Merc14

I guess he is going to rein in the out of control EPA.  Apparently has just selected Scott Pruitt, the AG from Oklahoma, who has been at war with the EPA for awhile now, to run the place! 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/energy-environment/wp/2016/12/07/trump-names-scott-pruitt-oklahoma-attorney-general-suing-epa-on-climate-change-to-head-the-epa/?utm_term=.6d93c43ddbd3

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Hammerclaw

I think we'll be more able to accurately judge the success or failure of the Trump Presidency, after he's actually had at least one.

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spartan max2
On Thursday, December 01, 2016 at 4:05 PM, Harte said:

Yeah. What we need are poor people in government so they can become rich through corruption like all the others did.

Harte

Come harte, everyoneeeee knows that it's morally evil to own money lol

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Yamato
3 hours ago, spartan max2 said:

Come harte, everyoneeeee knows that it's morally evil to own money lol

It's morally evil to use your money to kill other people, right?   But when it's the White House doing it, it's self defense and here to help. 

Your govt won't let you own all your money and you'll go in a cage if you get caught trying otherwise.  You need to go kill more people in Iraq so you can be safe, yeah right.   You don't even have to kill anyone down your own street.

So yeah there's no principle in what's moral.   Like fossil fuel companies get billions of our money every year because they need help, yeah right.

 

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third_eye

Talk about living on the 'knees' ... needing for a living ...

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Yamato
11 hours ago, Merc14 said:

I guess he is going to rein in the out of control EPA.  Apparently has just selected Scott Pruitt, the AG from Oklahoma, who has been at war with the EPA for awhile now, to run the place! 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/energy-environment/wp/2016/12/07/trump-names-scott-pruitt-oklahoma-attorney-general-suing-epa-on-climate-change-to-head-the-epa/?utm_term=.6d93c43ddbd3

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Don't worry about that out of control spending on the environment, Trump's going to rebuild the military.   :rolleyes:

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Farmer77
On 12/1/2016 at 9:57 PM, Merc14 said:

Yes, let's pick academicians, who have never done anything but teach, to run the country instead of actual successful people who have competed at the international level and won.  Obama's administration was successful at exactly zero things  so let's keep dong that.  :rolleyes:

Because this has gotten us so far? Trumps cabinet have proven themselves successful at selling America to the highest bidder, so lets keep doing that :rolleyes::

 

 

Edit to add not meant as a defense or endorsement of Obama, academia or the dems at all. 

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third_eye

Okay, about time for a musical intermission ...

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Harte
13 hours ago, Yamato said:

It's morally evil to use your money to kill other people, right?   But when it's the White House doing it, it's self defense and here to help. 

Your govt won't let you own all your money and you'll go in a cage if you get caught trying otherwise.  You need to go kill more people in Iraq so you can be safe, yeah right.   You don't even have to kill anyone down your own street.

So yeah there's no principle in what's moral.   Like fossil fuel companies get billions of our money every year because they need help, yeah right.

 

You believe, then, that not paying taxes twice on a product, or being able to deduct the cost of drilling, or writing down capitalized assets (which every kind of company does - amortization) is "getting billions of our money every year?"

Also, I'd argue that "killing other people" is not only THE major reason to have a government at all, but also quite likely is the actual genesis of the idea of governance itself.

Harte

 

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Yamato
2 hours ago, Harte said:

You believe, then, that not paying taxes twice on a product, or being able to deduct the cost of drilling, or writing down capitalized assets (which every kind of company does - amortization) is "getting billions of our money every year?"

 

Energy subsidies are measures that keep prices for consumers below market levels or for producers above market levels, or reduce costs for consumers and producers.   Energy subsidies may be direct cash transfers to producers, consumers, or related bodies, as well as indirect support mechanisms, such as tax exemptions and rebates, price controls, trade restrictions, and limits on market access.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Energy_subsidies

You believe in that?

 

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Also, I'd argue that "killing other people" is not only THE major reason to have a government at all,

Oh terrific.  The gobmint sounds excused again.

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but also quite likely is the actual genesis of the idea of governance itself.

Not the US govt.  The Constitution predates our govt and its genesis was to put limits on power.    Now we just ignore it like govt has no limits.

The essence of govt is force.  If you have to force someone to do something, then they wouldn't do it freely if they weren't forced to. 

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Harte

The essence of government is to ensure the continued existence of the population it serves, and by extension protect the property of those people as well, assuming they have any.

Otherwise, there is no need for government at all.

Government has evolved since it was first invented in prehistory, but that essence is still there. In the U.S., the protection of personal property (i.e. land, etc.,) has been recognized as a primary purpose of government but the protection of the people goes far further back than that.

That's not to say that there is agreement on the means used to achieve that aim.

Harte

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Yamato
5 minutes ago, Harte said:

The essence of government is to ensure the continued existence of the population it serves, and by extension protect the property of those people as well, assuming they have any.

Otherwise, there is no need for government at all.

Government has evolved since it was first invented in prehistory, but that essence is still there. In the U.S., the protection of personal property (i.e. land, etc.,) has been recognized as a primary purpose of government but the protection of the people goes far further back than that.

That's not to say that there is agreement on the means used to achieve that aim.

Harte

The essence of govt is force.  The reason our govt was founded, the reason the govt is authorized with powers, the reason it exists in the first place and enjoys any powers at all, was to protect our rights.   When the means violate our rights, it's working against its reason for existing.

If we didn't exist there'd be no need for rights either, so by extension, of course there'd be no need for govt.

Show me where it says in the Constitution that the President can tell individual companies what to do.   I dare you. 

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Harte
13 hours ago, Yamato said:

The essence of govt is force.  The reason our govt was founded, the reason the govt is authorized with powers, the reason it exists in the first place and enjoys any powers at all, was to protect our rights.   When the means violate our rights, it's working against its reason for existing.

If we didn't exist there'd be no need for rights either, so by extension, of course there'd be no need for govt.

Show me where it says in the Constitution that the President can tell individual companies what to do.   I dare you. 

You're talking specifics when I was talking generalities.

And Trump hasn't told any company what to do - no president has.

Threats are well within the powers of the presidency though. Just ask any school district.

Harte

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Merc14

Looks like the FBI NY office is getting back to work on the investigation of the Clinton Foundation according to The Daily Caller.  

Officials at FBI headquarters instructed its New York field office to continue its corruption investigation into the Clinton Foundation following the election of Republican candidate Donald Trump, according to a former senior law enforcement official.

Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2016/12/14/exclusive-fbi-new-york-field-office-told-to-continue-clinton-foundation-probe/#ixzz4Sw2RUpPQ

Public corruption is one of the FBI's top priorities and The Clinton Foundation is an easy target IMHO.   Who wants to bet Hillary claims medical reasons in order to avoid or impede prosecution?

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Yamato
On 12/10/2016 at 5:37 AM, Harte said:

You're talking specifics when I was talking generalities.

And Trump hasn't told any company what to do - no president has.

Threats are well within the powers of the presidency though. Just ask any school district.

Harte

"We have to stop our companies" is worse than telling them what to do, it's forcing them what to do.  

Trump says he stopped Ford from going to Mexico and you don't believe him?  Then he didn't stop Ford from going to Mexico, and he doesn't deserve the credit he gives himself.

Politicians controlling companies isn't capitalism, it's authoritarian statism with a big whiff of fascism.   Now the default excuse mill will once again infer that Trump is dreaming and just talking smack again and he only thinks he tells them what to do.   More delusional than effectual?  Perhaps this time they're right.   But fixing prices to control the behavior of companies?   Say goodbye to free market capitalism then.  I can tell you won't miss it.  But I'd rather live in a free country where ego trips who think they know better don't run our economy for us.

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Harte

A Jeep made in the US has 6,000 dollars added to its price by Germany when it is sold there.

Say goodbye to what?

Harte

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