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CIA says Putin helped Trump win

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CrimsonKing
12 minutes ago, Hammerclaw said:

E-mail hacking of poorly secured networks hardly requires the machinations or resources of the evil empire. Maybe Snowden did it for him. He's good. Maybe Weiner left the back door open. I rather doubt anyone directly connected to the Russian government did the actual hacking.

Don't come in here talking sense damnit!

"When they go low,we go high"

Except their ceiling was basement level at best...

Read through "The election is rigged" thread and there is enough leftist hypocrisy to make one vomit!

But,but,but what about it being rigged when Trump was trailing they say...Read your own hypocritical sewage that is stained there in black and white for all to see i answer ;)

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Kurzweil
3 hours ago, ChaosRose said:

Trump wasn't even there at the time, and claimed not to even know about it. Which doesn't say much for him not even knowing what his staffers were doing and that they were influencing the platform. If it's true that he didn't know, which I doubt. 

If Putin is puppet mastering our elections, I'd say he's a threat to our democracy. 

He's not puppeteering anything. Most don't care for the likes of Hillary. She is a crude disgusting excuse for a human being. People saw right through her years ago. I personally think the emails were seen more as entertainment to see how she'll squirm this time. Minds were made up before she cheated her way to be the nominee. 

So some emails came out. I don't care none of that swayed me. The only influence that swayed me was her just being there and the threat of the banshee sitting in the oval office. 

But yeah go on believing that had the hacking not taken place she'd be your President. I doubt it.

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Tatetopa
3 hours ago, ChaosRose said:

anyway --- 'CIA says Putin helped Trump win' ....

fake main stream news and fake Intelligence --- we are used to all that c-r-a-p by now and getting more and more immune to it - 
 

If you have no faith in mainstream news, if you have no faith in the CIA as an organization whose goal is to protect the sovereignty of the United States, if you have become the ultimate cynic, then how can you believe anything? How do you relate to other people or form opinions?  Do you trust Donald Trump or Breitbart?  There is no reason to do so.  By your logic, they are lying to you as well.

If the right and the left are so involved in fighting each other, they will never look up to see an outside threat.

If Hillary had won and the CIA said Russia helped Hillary win  you would be ready to burn down the capital.  The issue is bigger than who won, it is about how we govern our nation.  I wager you were not crazy about the idea of letting millions of illegal aliens sway the election.  Why should you be comfortable with state directed hackers from a foreign power doing so?   This is not about a single election, it is about our future 

It doesn't make any difference that Trump wasn't involved, and it may be no reason to obstruct his inauguration. What may be a concern is that a foreign government with the interest of their own state paramount in their minds has decide Trump is the best choice for their plans.

If you ever watched the TV show survivor, you would recognize this as a plan for one group to keep a weak competitor on the other team because they can beat him. Just sayin. 

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third_eye

Its sad (bad) ... so sad (bad) ... its a sad sad ( bad bad ) situation ... and its getting more and more absurd ...

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Hammerclaw

It's not the first time there's been controversy about foreign government meddling in American politics. 1996 comes to mind, involving some curiously familiar faces.       https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1996_United_States_campaign_finance_controversy              

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Paranormal Panther
18 hours ago, Captain Risky said:

Recently i read somewhere (unrelated to what we are discussing), that the best way to predict the future is to change the present. So maybe to those that control such things, in the grand scheme of things - everything is going well. Like you i can't see it. I'm inclined to believe that the Middle East is an American culster*****. 

 

That's definitely the case. That's why we have to make good decisions in the here and now. We also learn from our past mistakes. I don't include politicians as part of "we".

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Paranormal Panther
8 hours ago, Farmer77 said:

 I wish there was a half like button. Your second sentence is exactly on point partisan politics have become more important to many if not most than the overall good of the nation, facts or laws. 

Your first sentence though , comeon, you have to stop buying the fake news that is being called fake news. Do you mean fake news like a youtube video caused benghazi? Or fake news like Hillary was shot at in Bosnia? Or maybe an even better example of  the unreliability of "real news outlets" would be the monica lewinsky story. It took a blogger to break the story the "real news" people had sat on for MONTHS and refused to run. 

The "fake news" hysteria is nothing more than a way to eliminate information that doesnt come from government sources. 

It's rich when Clinton and Brian Williams lecture us about "fake news". It's like John Dillinger lecturing us on bank robbery. The irony is off the charts! When it comes to accusations of propaganda, it's often the case that those, who smelled it, dealt it.

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Frank Merton

Trump has lost any legitimacy he might have had.  The CIA is not a political entity; he should have paid attention to it and said he would see to it any help he had from them was not repeated.  I doubt their activity won him the election, but it may be that they really did alter enough votes in electronic states to do that.  His reaction instead -- just a stupid denial without evidence -- is outrageous and, as I said, strips him of legitimacy.

At the same time, I have to also conclude that the majority if not all Republicans in the US are hypocrites of the worst and most vile form I can imagine, accepting the fact, without protest or even call for change, that a man was elected President via technical and obsolete and undemocratic rules who in fact lost the election by a significant margin.  It appears Republicans only believe in democracy when it is convenient.

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Thorvir
14 minutes ago, Frank Merton said:

Trump has lost any legitimacy he might have had.

Only to your desperate eyes, and that fact is so irrelevant to reality.

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Astra.

Ok - so if the CIA do put in a report where there is 'actual proof' of Russian interference with hacking...what would happen then ?

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Farmer77
4 hours ago, Astra. said:

Ok - so if the CIA do put in a report where there is 'actual proof' of Russian interference with hacking...what would happen then ?

I know you're asking the repubs andim not one but this is my opinion on it. 

IDK , im not sure interference is the right term, even if its proven the Russians hacked hillary and or the DNC. Just because the information comes from an easily vilified source it doesnt make the information any less valid nor does it mean that they directly had a hand in the election. 

Now if someone came up with proof of Russians hacking the voting machines themselves , that would be cause for war. 

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Habitat

Not that the CIA ever involved itself in interfering with another country's political leadership, hey ? :wacko:  Maybe we should believe this story, because if anyone knows how to corrupt another country's political processes, they'd be it. Incredible stuff.

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Lilly

Hacking some of the Clinton campaign's emails and making them public (via WikiLeaks) could have been achieved by just about anyone. Mrs Clinton saw to that by using an unsecured private server. If anyone has lost legitimacy it's Mrs Clinton as that was a really bone headed move. As for Trump, it's pretty apparent that he used Mrs Clinton's foolishness in the same manner she used his foolishness...putting his own foot into his mouth and the lewd/crude/rude stuff. However, it's also pretty apparent that the voters in the 'fly over' states did not like what Clinton was offering them (more of Obama's liberal policies). Fast forward; Trump campaigns to the 'fly over' Americans to get the most electoral votes....Trump wins, Clinton loses.

It's time for the Democrats to accept why they lost this election. They lost because their party does not reflect the needs of a vast demographic of Americans. They lost because Obama's economic and social policies place America at a real disadvantage and aren't doing anything to solve our problems of growing debt, poor economic performance, social unrest, unchecked illegal immigration, sky rocketing healthcare costs...etc. Sniping at Trump and acting like the sorest losers in history isn't going to help the Democratic party IMO.

So now the United States has a conservative businessman waiting in the wings...can PE Trump actually do what he's promised? Only time will tell.

 

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Myles
10 hours ago, Frank Merton said:

 

At the same time, I have to also conclude that the majority if not all Republicans in the US are hypocrites of the worst and most vile form I can imagine, accepting the fact, without protest or even call for change, that a man was elected President via technical and obsolete and undemocratic rules who in fact lost the election by a significant margin.  It appears Republicans only believe in democracy when it is convenient.

It sounds like you don't understand the system.

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Lilly
38 minutes ago, Myles said:

It sounds like you don't understand the system.

Exactly, the United States is not a pure Democracy...the United States is a Democratic Republic. The election of the President is done via the Electoral College (not via popular vote). Both candidates went into the election full well knowing this reality. The result was that Trump garnered 306 Electoral votes to Clinton's 232 Electoral votes...Trump won the election, period.

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.ZZ.
1 hour ago, Lilly said:

Hacking some of the Clinton campaign's emails and making them public (via WikiLeaks) could have been achieved by just about anyone. Mrs Clinton saw to that by using an unsecured private server. If anyone has lost legitimacy it's Mrs Clinton as that was a really bone headed move. As for Trump, it's pretty apparent that he used Mrs Clinton's foolishness in the same manner she used his foolishness...putting his own foot into his mouth and the lewd/crude/rude stuff. However, it's also pretty apparent that the voters in the 'fly over' states did not like what Clinton was offering them (more of Obama's liberal policies). Fast forward; Trump campaigns to the 'fly over' Americans to get the most electoral votes....Trump wins, Clinton loses.

It's time for the Democrats to accept why they lost this election. They lost because their party does not reflect the needs of a vast demographic of Americans. They lost because Obama's economic and social policies place America at a real disadvantage and aren't doing anything to solve our problems of growing debt, poor economic performance, social unrest, unchecked illegal immigration, sky rocketing healthcare costs...etc. Sniping at Trump and acting like the sorest losers in history isn't going to help the Democratic party IMO.

So now the United States has a conservative businessman waiting in the wings...can PE Trump actually do what he's promised? Only time will tell.

 

This post ^ should be pinned to the top of every page of this ridiculous excuse for a thread.

(ETA: Nothing against your OP and then, some of the posts are just crazy talk.)

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Lilly

Some folks have a belief system that is so strong even a harsh dose of reality will still be rejected.

Case in point; When Fidel Castro died there wasn't even enough available gasoline for his body to make the rounds on the small island nation of Cuba. The economy of Cuba is flat out pitifully poor. However, those in power still glorify the political system of Communism/Socialism.

I'm starting to see a smattering of this same mind set applying to the American far left. Don't get me wrong though, the far right has it's own foolishness as well. Like my Dad used to say, "Extremes are bad and political extremes are particularly bad".

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Farmer77
42 minutes ago, Lilly said:

Some folks have a belief system that is so strong even a harsh dose of reality will still be rejected.

Case in point; When Fidel Castro died there wasn't even enough available gasoline for his body to make the rounds on the small island nation of Cuba. The economy of Cuba is flat out pitifully poor. However, those in power still glorify the political system of Communism/Socialism.

I'm starting to see a smattering of this same mind set applying to the American far left. Don't get me wrong though, the far right has it's own foolishness as well. Like my Dad used to say, "Extremes are bad and political extremes are particularly bad".

LOL yeah its socialism and not the oil embargo to that nation which has led to them having no gas. 

Not that im saying socialism is a perfect system but  people  cant keep throwing out nations whom the US intentionally meddled with as examples of a failed political system . Its just intellectually dishonest. 

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South Alabam
11 hours ago, Frank Merton said:

Trump has lost any legitimacy he might have had.  The CIA is not a political entity; he should have paid attention to it and said he would see to it any help he had from them was not repeated.  I doubt their activity won him the election, but it may be that they really did alter enough votes in electronic states to do that.  His reaction instead -- just a stupid denial without evidence -- is outrageous and, as I said, strips him of legitimacy.

At the same time, I have to also conclude that the majority if not all Republicans in the US are hypocrites of the worst and most vile form I can imagine, accepting the fact, without protest or even call for change, that a man was elected President via technical and obsolete and undemocratic rules who in fact lost the election by a significant margin.  It appears Republicans only believe in democracy when it is convenient.

You no doubt know how the electoral college works, yet you keep screaming he lost the election by a significant margin. And those are the rules of this democracy, which you call undemocratic. There is no fact he lost the election. Yes he lost the popular vote, but not the electoral vote, which we know are the rules. Four times throughout the years we have had Presidents who have lost the popular vote, but were declared the winner of the electoral vote. Yet, suddenly you call all republican hypocrites for not calling a change to rules that we have had since the inception of our democracy? You claim in another thread that  the American Constitution is obsolete and derived from aristocratic idiocy.  As for the U.S constitution, it has stood the test of time. The people calling for change with it, are absolute idiots who, thinking, they are making something better, would invite nothing but failure. That constitution is what made this country, and the reason people keep immigrating here seeking freedom and rights, not found in many countries.

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Myles

It's like in a football game.   One team may gain more yards than the other, but the other scored more points.    The team who scored the most points still gets the win.

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Lilly
38 minutes ago, Farmer77 said:

LOL yeah its socialism and not the oil embargo to that nation which has led to them having no gas. 

 

Well, Cuba is Communism/Socialism (not Democratic/Socialism). If choosing that system results in an embargo and inability to do business with others...my point still applies.

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South Alabam
3 hours ago, Myles said:

It's like in a football game.   One team may gain more yards than the other, but the other scored more points.    The team who scored the most points still gets the win.

That's a great way to put it.

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Merc14
9 hours ago, Habitat said:

Not that the CIA ever involved itself in interfering with another country's political leadership, hey ? :wacko:  Maybe we should believe this story, because if anyone knows how to corrupt another country's political processes, they'd be it. Incredible stuff.

Let's not forget Obama spending hundreds of thousands of taxpayer dollars to oust Netanyahu

 http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/jul/12/obama-admin-sent-taxpayer-money-oust-netanyahu/?utm_campaign=shareaholic&utm_medium=facebook&utm_source=socialnetwork

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Lilly

Frankly, I can't wait until after Jan. 20. Perhaps some of this nonsense will stop after the inauguration.

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