MstrMsn Posted December 29, 2016 #26 Share Posted December 29, 2016 34 minutes ago, sees said: Quite funny! You obviously are either cynical or don't know that I am a realist - i.e. wary of being deluded. Then all of us, i.e. my friends were making it up then. We all imagined the sudden, violent swinging of the lampshade (where there was no draught) and the electric light flicking off and on? Hmmm....never mind. I'm extremely skeptical of any claims of paranormal activity, but I am open to the possibility. That said, stories of a child's game (yes, game, you can look it up) opening doors to the "spirit world", summoning demons or malevolent beings are, well, just that - stories, unless there is actual, verifiable evidence.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorvir Posted December 29, 2016 #27 Share Posted December 29, 2016 (edited) 1 hour ago, sees said: Quite funny! You obviously are either cynical or don't know that I am a realist - i.e. wary of being deluded. You can claim you're a "realist" all you want to, but the fact that you think these things are anything other than toys AND won't provide proof shows that you are definitely not a real "realist". Quote Then all of us, i.e. my friends were making it up then. We all imagined the sudden, violent swinging of the lampshade (where there was no draught) and the electric light flicking off and on? Hmmm....never mind. Okay: TO ALL OF YOUR FRIENDS, YOU ARE MAKING IT UP. Those things are easily, EASILY, explained by other, normal things (trucks, pranks, interruptions in the electricity, etc). Did you ever think to look into the mundane, first, Oh Mighty Realist, or do you jump to the paranormal without critical thinking first just to keep it "real"? There are many interesting things that can be considered unexplained mysteries. Ouija Boards are never, ever one of those things. Edited December 29, 2016 by Thorvir 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorvir Posted December 29, 2016 #28 Share Posted December 29, 2016 (edited) 9 minutes ago, MstrMsn said: I'm extremely skeptical of any claims of paranormal activity, but I am open to the possibility. I agree with this, all it takes is proof of the paranormal for the first time ever, which is what I'm hoping for. Quote That said, stories of a child's game (yes, game, you can look it up) opening doors to the "spirit world", summoning demons or malevolent beings are, well, just that - stories, unless there is actual, verifiable evidence.... Of which there is none at this time. It's just a game, and not even an entertaining one. So, are we to assume that Milton Bradley or Hasbro or whoever is in cahoots with the devil, then? Edited December 29, 2016 by Thorvir 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorvir Posted December 29, 2016 #29 Share Posted December 29, 2016 By the way, for those that aren't naive or trying to sell snake-oil, here's some info and history on these pieces of particle board and plastic:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ouija Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MstrMsn Posted December 29, 2016 #30 Share Posted December 29, 2016 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Thorvir said: I agree with this, all it takes is proof of the paranormal for the first time ever, which is what I'm hoping for. Of which there is none at this time. It's just a game, and not even an entertaining one. So, are we to assume that Milton Bradley or Hasbro or whoever is in cahoots with the devil, then? Was invented by a guy named Elijah Bond. Here's a little fun wiki about him/it... Quote Although he invented and patented items, including a steam boiler, he is best remembered for patenting what became known as the Ouija Board. He filed for a United States patent on May 28, 1890. Charles W. Kennard and William H. A. Maupin were listed as assignees. The patent was granted on February 10, 1891.[3] By 1907 Bond had relocated to West Virginia where he registered a trademark on the word "Nirvana" on June 18, 1907. The mark incorporated a swastika as its logo and the company which produced these boards was named The Swastika Novelty Company Edited December 29, 2016 by MstrMsn 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DebDandelion Posted December 29, 2016 #31 Share Posted December 29, 2016 3 minutes ago, Thorvir said: By the way, for those that aren't naive or trying to sell snake-oil, here's some info and history on these pieces of particle board and plastic:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ouija Thanks. Interesting read 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
acute Posted December 29, 2016 #32 Share Posted December 29, 2016 2 minutes ago, Thorvir said: By the way, for those that aren't naive or trying to sell snake-oil, here's some info and history on these pieces of particle board and plastic:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ouija We all know that a Ouija Board is a toy! Tarot Cards are laminated pieces of paper, and a Crystal Ball is a sphere of glass! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorvir Posted December 29, 2016 #33 Share Posted December 29, 2016 3 minutes ago, acute said: We all know that a Ouija Board is a toy! Tarot Cards are laminated pieces of paper, and a Crystal Ball is a sphere of glass! None of which do anything other than take up space, entertain the easily entertained and at times, fleece gullible people out of their money. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorvir Posted December 29, 2016 #34 Share Posted December 29, 2016 10 minutes ago, MstrMsn said: Was invented by a guy named Elijah Bond. Here's a little fun wiki about him/it... Interesting stuff, thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sees Posted December 29, 2016 #35 Share Posted December 29, 2016 (edited) 24 minutes ago, Thorvir said: You can claim you're a "realist" all you want to, but the fact that you think these things are anything other than toys AND won't provide proof shows that you are definitely not a real "realist". Okay: TO ALL OF YOUR FRIENDS, YOU ARE MAKING IT UP. Those things are easily, EASILY, explained by other, normal things (trucks, pranks, interruptions in the electricity, etc). Did you ever think to look into the mundane, first, Oh Mighty Realist, or do you jump to the paranormal without critical thinking first just to keep it "real"? There are many interesting things that can be considered unexplained mysteries. Ouija Boards are never, ever one of those things. How would I be able to prove something that occurred over 4 decades ago? Huh? Please tell me...I would love to know. Interruptions in electricity do NOT cause a lampshade to suddenly start swinging violently i.e. when we were messing about with the ouija board (and didn't know what we were doing)! So...how would you explain that away then? Edited December 29, 2016 by sees Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorvir Posted December 29, 2016 #36 Share Posted December 29, 2016 (edited) 6 minutes ago, sees said: How would I be able to prove something that occurred over 4 decades ago? Huh? Please tell me...I would love to know. You're making the claim, not me. It's up to you to provide proof and find out how to do it, not me. Besides, is there supposed to be some sort of statute of limitations on wild, unproven claims? Quote Interruptions in electricity do NOT cause a lampshade to suddenly start swinging violently Of course not, because that's the only possible explanation I offered. Sigh and /facepalm Quote ...when we were messing about with the ouija board (and didn't know what we were doing)! So...how would you explain that away then? ...because as a "realist", you can't come up with any excuse for what happened other than "IT WAS THE OUIJA BOARD!" I don't have to explain anything, you're the one making a claim. You're the one pretending to be a "realist" yet won't actually think about this thing in real terms. If you're not interested in proving these things are real, then by all means, tell your neat story, but don't expect any single person with any sense to believe it as anything other than a neat story. Because ouija boards do nothing...unless you can prove they can do something. Edited December 29, 2016 by Thorvir 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sees Posted December 29, 2016 #37 Share Posted December 29, 2016 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Thorvir said: You're making the claim, not me. It's up to you to provide proof and find out how to do it, not me. Besides, is there supposed to be some sort of statute of limitations on wild, unproven claims? Of course not. Sigh... ...because as a "realist", you can't come up with any excuse for what happened other than "IT WAS THE OUIJA BOARD!" I don't have to explain anything, you're the one making a claim. You're the one pretending to be a "realist" yet won't actually think about this thing in real terms. I forgot that this was predominantly a science based forum, which is not amenable to being able to prove paranormal experiences. Pardon me for sharing what occurred. I should have known better. Please don't insult me. I am NOT pretending to be a realist I AM one! I am authentic and have no agenda/reason to fabricate info. That the violent swaying of the lampshade occurred WHILST we were playing with the ouija board (and has never occurred before or since that time) does not make an association/link in your mind .... at all!? Edited December 29, 2016 by sees Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rashore Posted December 29, 2016 #38 Share Posted December 29, 2016 All righty folks.... let's take it down a notch or few and calm down... Perhaps take a few deep breaths and maybe even step back from the keyboard for a few. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorvir Posted December 29, 2016 #39 Share Posted December 29, 2016 3 minutes ago, sees said: I forgot that this was predominantly a science based forum, which is not amenable to being able to prove paranormal experiences. Pardon me for sharing what occurred. I should have known better. By all means share your content. Just realize that not everyone is going to believe it. 3 minutes ago, sees said: Please don't insult me. You were not insulted. If you feel like you were, then so be it. 3 minutes ago, sees said: I am NOT pretending to be a realist I AM one! Then act like one, because claiming your story is what it is without any sort of logical approach or critical thinking is not what a "realist" would do. 3 minutes ago, sees said: I am authentic and have no agenda/reason to fabricate info. That the violent swaying of the lampshade occurred WHILST we were playing with the ouija board (and has never occurred before or since that time) does not make an association/link in your mind .... at all!? No, not at all. What it actually is, is coincidence. You and your friends were playing with an inert piece of crappy wood-like substance and plastic, when something caused the lamp to swing "violently". A passing truck, the house shifting a bit, a breeze, someone brushing into it--but, of course, you're going to claim that none of those things happened (which is odd, since you say you can't prove what happened because it was 40 years ago, but yet you can easily say exactly what didn't happen). All those things are what a real realist would assume first, not last. If you could repeat the incident each and every time using that ouija board, then you'd be on to something. Did you try to repeat the incident? Not that it will matter, you can just as easily claim that you did after the fact, after I brought it up and put that idea into your head. The point is, to this very second in time and space, no ouija board has ever proven to have done anything paranormal for or to anyone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sees Posted December 29, 2016 #40 Share Posted December 29, 2016 28 minutes ago, acute said: We all know that a Ouija Board is a toy! Tarot Cards are laminated pieces of paper, and a Crystal Ball is a sphere of glass! Yes. We were playing around with the ouija board, i.e. not taking it seriously when we had the disturbing experience of the violent sudden swaying of the lampshade.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
acute Posted December 29, 2016 #41 Share Posted December 29, 2016 (edited) 7 minutes ago, sees said: Yes. We were playing around with the ouija board, i.e. not taking it seriously when we had the disturbing experience of the violent sudden swaying of the lampshade.... I have only heard of bad things happening with a Ouija Board. You got off lightly! A few of my friends were 'playing' with a Ouija board using a glass as a planchette. The glass shattered, and every tiny piece of glass stuck into one person's hand. There was no glass on the board whatsoever, and the other participants were not cut at all! Edited December 29, 2016 by acute 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorvir Posted December 29, 2016 #42 Share Posted December 29, 2016 Just now, acute said: A few of my friends were 'playing' with a Ouija board using a glass as a planchette. The glass shattered, and every tiny piece of glass stuck into one person's hand. There was no glass on the board whatsoever! Most likely because you and your friends were pushing on it too hard. Use plastic next time so you won't hurt yourselves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sees Posted December 29, 2016 #43 Share Posted December 29, 2016 (edited) 10 minutes ago, Thorvir said: What it actually is, is coincidence. You and your friends were playing with an inert piece of crappy wood-like substance and plastic, when something caused the lamp to swing "violently". A passing truck, the house shifting a bit, a breeze, someone brushing into it--but, of course, you're going to claim that none of those things happened (which is odd, since you say you can't prove what happened because it was 40 years ago, but yet you can easily say exactly what didn't happen). All those things are what a real realist would assume first, not last. If you could repeat the incident each and every time using that ouija board, then you'd be on to something. Did you try to repeat the incident? Not that it will matter, you can just as easily claim that you did after the fact, after I brought it up and put that idea into your head. The point is, to this very second in time and space, no ouija board has ever proven to have done anything paranormal for or to anyone. Ha...a coincidence? What are the laws of probability of the lampshade swaying suddenly and violently occurring directly when we were briefly playing around with the ouija board I wonder. This occurred in the attic so would rule out a 'passing truck'. The 'house shifting a bit'...really? This is in UK not known for earthquakes. Perhaps you have forgotten my original post on this since I already ruled out a breeze since the windows were closed and there was no draught. No I can't prove what happened in terms of a video etc...but what I have said here is factual, i.e. it DID take place in an attic, closed windows, in the UK etc. No we didn't try to repeat the incident - far too spooked for that! You obviously have not spoken to psychics (but I feel you would say "why would I?") The link between the ouija board and contacting unsavoury entities is well known. Edited December 29, 2016 by sees Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorvir Posted December 29, 2016 #44 Share Posted December 29, 2016 (edited) 11 minutes ago, sees said: Ha...a coincidence? What are the laws of probability of the lampshade swaying suddenly and violently occurring directly when we were briefly playing around with the ouija board I wonder. Much, much higher than a toy specifically made to be a toy making physical objects move in a room without any sort of external force being applied. See? You are not a realist at all. Quote This occurred in the attic so would rule out a 'passing truck'. And why not? Quote The 'house shifting a bit'...really? This is in UK not known for earthquakes. Did I actually use the term "earthquakes"? And "not known" does not mean "never occurs". Quote Perhaps you have forgotten my original post on this since I already ruled out a breeze since the windows were closed and there was no draught. /sigh. Because opens windows are always the only source of a draft. Quote No I can't prove what happened in terms of a video etc...but what I have said here is factual, i.e. it DID take place in an attic, closed windows, in the UK etc. Oh, I don't disagree that something happened. There is just no proof that a piece of wood and plastic can do or has ever done what you claim to have happened. Quote No we didn't try to repeat the incident - far too spooked for that! At least I will agree with that, I'd be spooked too. But I wouldn't pretend it was something paranormal without first finding out what it wasn't. You know, because I'm actually a realist when it comes to these things. Quote You obviously have not spoken to psychics (but I feel you would say "why would I?") OH I've spoken to many people that claim to be many things. And not a single one of them has ever shown me to be anything other than a fraud or a completely naive fool. Quote The link between the ouija board and contacting unsavoury entities is well known. The only thing a ouija board is well known for is being a toy and doing nothing other than entertaining the easily entertained. NOTHING ELSE. No unsavory entities, no gateways to hell, no ghosts....nothing. Unless you can be the very first person in the history of EVER to prove otherwise. I have used ouija boards when I was a kid, and not one thing ever happened. Again, you are not a realist at all. You're posts prove that point. Edited December 29, 2016 by Thorvir Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DebDandelion Posted December 29, 2016 #45 Share Posted December 29, 2016 12 minutes ago, sees said: Ha...a coincidence? What are the laws of probability of the lampshade swaying suddenly and violently occurring directly when we were briefly playing around with the ouija board I wonder. This occurred in the attic so would rule out a 'passing truck'. The 'house shifting a bit'...really? This is in UK not known for earthquakes. Perhaps you have forgotten my original post on this since I already ruled out a breeze since the windows were closed and there was no draught. No I can't prove what happened in terms of a video etc...but what I have said here is factual, i.e. it DID take place in an attic, closed windows, in the UK etc. No we didn't try to repeat the incident - far too spooked for that! You obviously have not spoken to psychics (but I feel you would say "why would I?") The link between the ouija board and contacting unsavoury entities is well known. I think the keyword here is repeatable,provable and concrete (so to say) evidence. No offense, but taking ur word for it, is not evidence beyond reasonable doubt, that said there is no hard evidence it couldn't be supernatural. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DebDandelion Posted December 29, 2016 #46 Share Posted December 29, 2016 4 minutes ago, Thorvir said: Much, much higher than a toy specifically made to be a toy making physical objects move in a room without any sort of external force being applied. See? You are not a realist at all. And why not? Did I actually use the term "earthquakes"? And "not known" does not mean "never occurs". /sigh. Because opens windows are always the only source of a draft. Oh, I don't disagree that something happened. There is just no proof that a piece of wood and plastic can do or has ever done what you claim to have happened. At least I will agree with that, I'd be spooked too. But I wouldn't pretend it was something paranormal without first finding out what it wasn't. You know, because I'm actually a realist when it comes to these things. OH I've spoken to many people that claim to be many things. And not a single one of them has ever shown me to be anything other than a fraud or a completely naive fool. The only thing a ouija board is well known for is being a toy and doing nothing other than entertaining the easily entertained. NOTHING ELSE. No unsavory entities, no gateways to hell, no ghosts....nothing. Unless you can be the very first person in the history of EVER to prove otherwise. I have used ouija boards when I was a kid, and not one thing ever happened. Again, you are not a realist at all. You're posts prove that point. That's what u say...can u prove it? (JOKING.... Smile) 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sees Posted December 29, 2016 #47 Share Posted December 29, 2016 (edited) 20 minutes ago, Thorvir said: Much, much higher than a toy specifically made to be a toy making physical objects move in a room without any sort of external force being applied. See? You are not a realist at all. And why not? Did I actually use the term "earthquakes"? And "not known" does not mean "never occurs". /sigh. Because opens windows are always the only source of a draft. Oh, I don't disagree that something happened. There is just no proof that a piece of wood and plastic can do or has ever done what you claim to have happened. At least I will agree with that, I'd be spooked too. But I wouldn't pretend it was something paranormal without first finding out what it wasn't. You know, because I'm actually a realist when it comes to these things. OH I've spoken to many people that claim to be many things. And not a single one of them has ever shown me to be anything other than a fraud or a completely naive fool. The only thing a ouija board is well known for is being a toy and doing nothing other than entertaining the easily entertained. NOTHING ELSE. No unsavory entities, no gateways to hell, no ghosts....nothing. Unless you can be the very first person in the history of EVER to prove otherwise. I have used ouija boards when I was a kid, and not one thing ever happened. Again, you are not a realist at all. You're posts prove that point. I have already said we were playing with the ouija board... play as in toying around. When I said the windows were closed and FURTHER added that there was no draught, that was to address the issue of this possibility occurring from other than the window! (I didn't think that needed spelling out). At least we agree that there are indeed many fake psychics. However this is not to discount the fact that some ARE genuine. Edited December 29, 2016 by sees Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sees Posted December 29, 2016 #48 Share Posted December 29, 2016 18 minutes ago, DebDandelion said: I think the keyword here is repeatable,provable and concrete (so to say) evidence. No offense, but taking ur word for it, is not evidence beyond reasonable doubt, that said there is no hard evidence it couldn't be supernatural. Yes it is getting repetitive. How could I possibly PROVE something that occurred over 4 decades ago though? It is an impossible situation. Thank you for at least conceding that it can constitute a supernatural occurrence. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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