Unusual Tournament Posted January 14, 2017 Author #101 Share Posted January 14, 2017 (edited) 3 hours ago, Grey Area said: When was that failure then, and what form did failure take? Britain begged the EU to join. Its motives were two fold. To modernise its economy with a larger market. And to influence events in Europe. Up until that point Britain was an industrial waste land heavily unionised. Along cam the EU and then Thatcher. That awful women Thatcher then decided to attack the EU while at the same time instituted the very principles of free and competitive trade in Britain as there was in Europe. ...and now there is a sub culture of modern day thatcherites hell bent on continuing to demonise free trade in Europe so they can still trade with the rest of the world. It seems the only way for a politician to prove he's British these day's is to wave the Union Jack and build barriers. Sad. Needless to say I find it slightly amusing that the greatest proponents of free trade also happen to be the biggest foes of free trade within Europe. Really is counter productive don't you think? 3 hours ago, Grey Area said: This is not a TV show, that simplistic view of the history and constant process of evolution of a nation is childish. Every nation has had shifts in fortune, and struggles. Britain will do the best it can with what it has, untied from the bureaucracy of Brussels and safe from the free movement silliness. I wholeheartedly concur with the above quote. BUT for the sake of fairness i must unfortunately disagree that the EU dictating the mechanism and rules for free trade is any different from being dictated from another country. As if America or China will be any less demanding. 3 hours ago, Grey Area said: And there we go again. When leaving the EU, are we ceasing trade with Europe? Come on you are smarter than that, the freedom to negotiate our own trade deals with the rest of the world will more than offset any percentage points in potential WTO terms with the EU. Don't know where you came up with that? I never said that and to the best of my knowledge neither did Alibongo and he's twice the remainder anyone here is. But lets take this in the same direction but at another angle... Britain still trades with the rest of the world too. Robbing Peter to pay Paul? Britain will have less bargaining power to sign free trade agreements cause of its size and less say in Europe cause of barriers. So what has Britain to gain? 3 hours ago, Grey Area said: No no no it didn't. What part of that do you and your like not get. Immigration will continue as normal. We voted away from unchecked free movement. Are you seriously going to state that that is a good thing? I think recent events have proved beyond doubt just how dangerous the EU policies on immigration are. What does speak volumes is that the UK has not been subject to similar terrorist events as we have seen in France and Germany as we have so far managed to stay out of Shengen. But that will not last if we stay. ...of course immigration will continue. Immigrants and migrants have been scapegoated to push a silly point. Britain will still unfortunately suffer from terrorism after it leaves Europe, too. I have yet to hear of one logical argument as to why Britain has an advantage leaving Europe. If someone comes up with one i will reverse my position. But i doubt it. Edited January 14, 2017 by Captain Risky Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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