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Hammerclaw
18 minutes ago, Farmer77 said:

No we're really not "bombing the crap" out of ISI. How can you say that with a straight face after seeing whats happening over there? We were "fighting" ISIS in syria since 2013 with zero success. Then Russia shows up in 2015 and makes immense strides against them while we have simply armed and supplied air cover for them.

Dont you remember Mccains meltdown when Russia began fighting ISIS in Syria? He's p***ed they're screwing up his game. And why do you think Israel hasnt had an ISIS problem? The  Israeli State Intelligence Service  probably has something to do with that. 

SO here we go just a quick primer on the situation. 

 

Reality Check: Proof U.S. Government Wanted ISIS To Emerge In Syria

Seven pages of a secret Pentagon document were leaked earlier this year. The report is from 2012 and specifically, it explains the dangers of what the U.S. government is doing in Syria at the time. Remember, that in 2012.

ISIS, as we know them today, did not exist then.

Page 3 of those leaked pages state three facts about the situation in Syria.

a) Internally, events are taking a clear sectarian direction
B)The Salafist, the Muslim Brotherhood and AQI (Al Qaeda in Iraq) are the major forces driving the insurgency in Syria.
c) The West, Gulf Countries and Turkey support the opposition, while Russia, China and Iran support the regime.

ISIS Overruns Syrian Army Base After US Bombings Here is a clear example of collusion between ISIS and the US. Sure it could have been an accident that the US bombed the Syrian troops. It also could have been coincidence that ISIS fighters were positioned and prepared for an assault immediately after the bombing. 

Amnesty report: ISIS armed with U.S. weapons

PHOTOS: US Plane Drops Weapons for ISIS Militants in Iraq Noone denies the US is arming ISIS. Somehow everyone in America has been convinced that our government is just a dumb blonde...oops we accidentally dropped arms to isis...oops we accidentally armed moderates who actually are ISIS 

Oh and gotta love Mccain hanging with terrorists in Syria  ANGRY MCCAIN ADMITS MEETING WITH ISIS, SCOLDS RAND PAUL FOR NOT KNOWING TERRORISTS

So based on the information available we know that the US is OK with arming and working with terrorists, we know the US wanted ISIS or some other islamic caliphate to form , we know that the US is arming ISIS and we know that they have a common enemy in Assad. 

Paradigm shifts are hard to handle , I get that. I used to be naive to the way the world actually works too but just because your worldview is rapidly being shown to be false in the information age doesnt mean you have to be mean and call people names. 

 

Oh, bull! Russia hasn't put a dent in ISIS; ISIS just took back Palmyra from the weak Syrian army!  All they've been bombing is rebels such as those in Aleppo. Where do you get your distorted propaganda, anyway? RT? I'm quite prepared to believe the democrats had the wool pulled over their eyes in dealing with some of the disparate factions of Syrian groups arrayed against Assad. Same thing happened in Cuba in the early '60s when Castro did it to them.  The President was just as taken in, apparently.

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Farmer77
5 minutes ago, Hammerclaw said:

Oh, bull! Russia hasn't put a dent in ISIS; ISIS just took back Palmyra from the weak Syrian army!  All they've been bombing is rebels such as those in Aleppo. Where do you get your distorted propaganda, anyway? RT? I'm quite prepared to believe the democrats had the wool pulled over their eyes in dealing with some of the disparate factions of Syrian groups arrayed against Assad. Same thing happened in Cuba in the early '60s when Castro did it to them.  The President was just as taken in, apparently.

Actually i read all sorts of news outlets, yes including RT. Don't forget that in 2013 the anti propaganda act in the US was repealed meaning any information we get from the media here is potentially just as flawed as the information we get from any other news source (especially during a democrat administration) . Therefore I take in as much as I can from as many sources as I can so I can form the most educated opinion possible. 

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Thanato
12 hours ago, Farmer77 said:

The US is fighting Assad while acting as ISIS's air force. 

So is that why te US is bombing known ISIS locations? There was only one incident where the US bombed Government soldiers.

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Hammerclaw
15 hours ago, Farmer77 said:

Actually i read all sorts of news outlets, yes including RT. Don't forget that in 2013 the anti propaganda act in the US was repealed meaning any information we get from the media here is potentially just as flawed as the information we get from any other news source (especially during a democrat administration) . Therefore I take in as much as I can from as many sources as I can so I can form the most educated opinion possible. 

Yes, and while straining at gnats, you swallow whole camels. Being open-minded doesn't mean you have to be empty-headed. Of course, if you don't mind looking stupid, by all means, continue to post absurdities. Just understand, you're not impressing the better informed and you're only half the wit you think you are.

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The Arab spring was of people fighting their dictator's, but in the case of Syria  Russia and the U.S `s  don`nt know who they are fighting.  These rebels  all could be of the combatants  of  Isis, of what is a real  threat to Russia, the US and the world

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Thorvir
19 hours ago, Hammerclaw said:

Farmer, you incredible I#%&t, we're bombing the crap out of Daesh. Exactly how is that "acting as their air force"? Why do you say such stupid things?

Uninformed, wishful thinking.

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Farmer77
11 hours ago, Thanato said:

There was only one incident where the US bombed Government soldiers.

Well kinda. I mean just about every bomb, missile and bullet shot at Syrian forces at this point are from America or with America's assistance . Whether its one of their proxies or one of their F-22's. 

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Farmer77
2 hours ago, Hammerclaw said:

Yes, and while straining at gnats, you swallow whole camels. Being open-minded doesn't mean you have to be empty-headed. Of course, if you don't mind looking stupid, by all means, continue to post absurdities. Just understand, you're not impressing the better informed and you're only half the wit you think you are.

I posted links to facts. I understand that you choose to interpret those facts differently than I do and that's OK. I'm not mad at ya for it. How about rather than just chucking insults you provide some substance to the conversation? Perhaps you could show me why my interpretation of the links I provided is incorrect. Pretty much anything besides "nuh uh , youre dumb" (paraphrased of course) would go a long way to help make your point. 

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Im going to make a prediction.  During this Trump presidency a major terrorist or assassination attack is going to occur in Israel.  This attack is going to be followed by many more terrorist atacks in the ME. Most notably the Syria President Al Assad will be assassinated prompting a vacuum in which Israel will claim Syria and part of Iraq.  During this period Russia will remove itself from Syria and take a larger role in allying with Iran who will be attacked on its borders but will not retaliate towards western and Israeli militaries.  Things will than cool down for awhile while NATO and Israel deal with the internal civil unrest in New Israel.

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The Butler
1 hour ago, acidhead said:

Im going to make a prediction. [ ....]

New Israel.

Israel is in the process of losing its support from the UN security council. Russia is supporting Assad. I don't see why they'd do nothing while Israel invaded their asset.  Are you saying they'd do that to allow Iran to feel more pressure? 

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Has Obama lost all touch with reality concerning Russia?


Barack Obama's obsession with blaming Russia for every one of his failures is starting to appear pathological.


Some say he is not a natural born American, others say he’s a secret Islamist, others question his loyalty and patriotism, and others question the sincerity of his marriage.

I’ve generally shied away from most of these theories, not because I believe all to be without merit, but because Barack Obama’s public failures, embarrassments and actions which run contrary to the interests of the American people and to world peace, have given me more than enough material to work with.

But in his last months as President, Obama continues to show his true colours and it is a very ugly and disturbing sight. He is acting in a manner that is vindictive, vengeful and as one would say of certain types of torture in the American penal system, cruel and unusual. Something is up.

His expulsion of 35 Russian diplomats from the United States, and his additional sanctions regime, are signs of personal instability. He is projecting all of the woes of the Democratic Party’s shambolic performance against the Republicans, who couldn’t even unit behind their own controversial candidate, onto Russia.

It’s become compulsively obsessive at this point.

So intent is Obama on thwarting any Russian success in Syria that he has actually pushed a close US ally – Turkey – into the embrace of Moscow.

http://theduran.com/obama-lost-touch-reality-concerning-russia/

 

 

 

 

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Hammerclaw
9 hours ago, Farmer77 said:

I posted links to facts. I understand that you choose to interpret those facts differently than I do and that's OK. I'm not mad at ya for it. How about rather than just chucking insults you provide some substance to the conversation? Perhaps you could show me why my interpretation of the links I provided is incorrect. Pretty much anything besides "nuh uh , youre dumb" (paraphrased of course) would go a long way to help make your point. 

Sorry the truth hurts; sounds like a personal matter you'll have to deal with yourself. No point chucking facts at you; you'll just give them your own bizarre "interpretation".

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On ‎1‎/‎2‎/‎2017 at 0:17 AM, Hammerclaw said:

Farmer, you incredible I#%&t, we're bombing the crap out of Daesh. Exactly how is that "acting as their air force"? Why do you say such stupid things?

:huh:

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Thanato
15 hours ago, Farmer77 said:

Well kinda. I mean just about every bomb, missile and bullet shot at Syrian forces at this point are from America or with America's assistance . Whether its one of their proxies or one of their F-22's. 

Is Isis (the group we are bombing) a proxy?

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2 hours ago, Thanato said:

Is Isis (the group we are bombing) a proxy?

Could be. They're expendables. Nobodies. Who cares if they're gone way of the dodo. They may have unknowingly served part in a specific plan and now we could care less about the existence. Not that I subscribe to this tripe but interesting to drink about.

 

 

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acidhead
14 hours ago, The Butler said:

Israel is in the process of losing its support from the UN security council. Russia is supporting Assad. I don't see why they'd do nothing while Israel invaded their asset.  Are you saying they'd do that to allow Iran to feel more pressure? 

It won't happen once Trump is Pres and vetoes it.  BTW, like all comments, I have no freakin idea what's really going on and what will happen.  But I wouldn't be surprised in the least if Russia has only cuddled up to Syria in the interest of Israel.  There are over a million Russians living in Israel.  We keep being told about these Russian hackers....... yes..... Russian... but not in Russia.... Russian hackers in Israel !!!! Lol

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17 hours ago, acidhead said:

Im going to make a prediction.  During this Trump presidency a major terrorist or assassination attack is going to occur in Israel.  This attack is going to be followed by many more terrorist atacks in the ME. Most notably the Syria President Al Assad will be assassinated prompting a vacuum in which Israel will claim Syria and part of Iraq.  During this period Russia will remove itself from Syria and take a larger role in allying with Iran who will be attacked on its borders but will not retaliate towards western and Israeli militaries.  Things will than cool down for awhile while NATO and Israel deal with the internal civil unrest in New Israel.

I will send a money order, for a hundred dollars, to you if that happens. I'm serious. My crazy take on things is that both Netanyahu and Putin are targets of the cabal. It's all about globalism.

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Holy smokes! :huh:

On ‎1‎/‎2‎/‎2017 at 0:17 AM, Hammerclaw said:

Farmer, you incredible I#%&t, we're bombing the crap out of Daesh. Exactly how is that "acting as their air force"? Why do you say such stupid things?

 

On ‎1‎/‎2‎/‎2017 at 6:07 PM, Hammerclaw said:

Yes, and while straining at gnats, you swallow whole camels. Being open-minded doesn't mean you have to be empty-headed. Of course, if you don't mind looking stupid, by all means, continue to post absurdities. Just understand, you're not impressing the better informed and you're only half the wit you think you are.

 

12 hours ago, Hammerclaw said:

Sorry the truth hurts; sounds like a personal matter you'll have to deal with yourself. No point chucking facts at you; you'll just give them your own bizarre "interpretation".

 

Gotta call it as I see it, and all I've seen here Hammerclaw, is you attacking and hurling names and insults to Farmer77, while at the same time, he has been rather polite about it, and IS backing up his claims with links to support his position.

All I've seen from you is insults and "Oh, bull!" as response to the many links he provided.

Then you cap it off with "Sorry the truth hurts" and "No point chucking facts at you".

What truth would that??? Because you didn't "chuck" any facts anywhere. As noted, all you've done is come in here and attack Farmer77 with insults... very immature, and not very good posting etiquette of course... while offering ZERO sources/links/evidence to back your refutation of Farmer77's posts.

Very disappointing to say the least.

:no:

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On ‎1‎/‎2‎/‎2017 at 2:21 AM, Farmer77 said:

No we're really not "bombing the crap" out of ISI. How can you say that with a straight face after seeing whats happening over there? We were "fighting" ISIS in syria since 2013 with zero success. Then Russia shows up in 2015 and makes immense strides against them while we have simply armed and supplied air cover for them.

Dont you remember Mccains meltdown when Russia began fighting ISIS in Syria? He's p***ed they're screwing up his game. And why do you think Israel hasnt had an ISIS problem? The  Israeli State Intelligence Service  probably has something to do with that. 

SO here we go just a quick primer on the situation. 

 

Reality Check: Proof U.S. Government Wanted ISIS To Emerge In Syria

Seven pages of a secret Pentagon document were leaked earlier this year. The report is from 2012 and specifically, it explains the dangers of what the U.S. government is doing in Syria at the time. Remember, that in 2012.

ISIS, as we know them today, did not exist then.

Page 3 of those leaked pages state three facts about the situation in Syria.

a) Internally, events are taking a clear sectarian direction
B)The Salafist, the Muslim Brotherhood and AQI (Al Qaeda in Iraq) are the major forces driving the insurgency in Syria.
c) The West, Gulf Countries and Turkey support the opposition, while Russia, China and Iran support the regime.

ISIS Overruns Syrian Army Base After US Bombings Here is a clear example of collusion between ISIS and the US. Sure it could have been an accident that the US bombed the Syrian troops. It also could have been coincidence that ISIS fighters were positioned and prepared for an assault immediately after the bombing. 

Amnesty report: ISIS armed with U.S. weapons

PHOTOS: US Plane Drops Weapons for ISIS Militants in Iraq Noone denies the US is arming ISIS. Somehow everyone in America has been convinced that our government is just a dumb blonde...oops we accidentally dropped arms to isis...oops we accidentally armed moderates who actually are ISIS 

Oh and gotta love Mccain hanging with terrorists in Syria  ANGRY MCCAIN ADMITS MEETING WITH ISIS, SCOLDS RAND PAUL FOR NOT KNOWING TERRORISTS

So based on the information available we know that the US is OK with arming and working with terrorists, we know the US wanted ISIS or some other islamic caliphate to form , we know that the US is arming ISIS and we know that they have a common enemy in Assad. 

Paradigm shifts are hard to handle , I get that. I used to be naive to the way the world actually works too but just because your worldview is rapidly being shown to be false in the information age doesnt mean you have to be mean and call people names. 

 

 

I do agree that Saudi Arabia, Qatar, UAE, and others have been supporting, financing, arming, etc ISIS, like they did Al Qaeda before them.

 

As far as U.S. cooperation and such, I'm not quite sure what's what because of the steaming piles of bs the MSM either puts out there, or the truths it omits from being put out there, makes it rather difficult to determine just exactly what's going on in that regard, but it does seem the Obama Administration has given them(S.A. etc) plenty of leeway... and weapons too.

I'll add to that DOD Report you are talking about, Farmer, with the link to the actual Report, and I'll also put up the links to a series of other things as well

 

Here's the PDF of the Dept. Of Defense report from 2012 that states... (my underlines)

- "AQI SUPPORTED THE SYRIAN OPPOSITION FROM THE BEGINNING, BOTH IDEOLOGICALLY AND THROUGH THE MEDIA..."

- "DEVELOPMENT OF THE CURRENT EVENTS INTO PROXY WAR: …OPPOSITION FORCES ARE TRYING TO CONTROL THE EASTERN AREAS (HASAKA AND DER ZOR), ADJACENT TO THE WESTERN IRAQI PROVINCES (MOSUL AND ANBAR), IN ADDITION TO NEIGHBORING TURKISH BORDERS. WESTERN COUNTRIES, THE GULF STATES AND TURKEY ARE SUPPORTING THESE EFFORTS."

- "IF THE SITUATION UNRAVELS THERE IS THE POSSIBILITY OF ESTABLISHING A DECLARED OR UNDECLARED SALAFIST PRINCIPALITY IN EASTERN SYRIA (HASAKA AND DER ZOR), AND THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT THE SUPPORTING POWERS TO THE OPPOSITION WANT, IN ORDER TO ISOLATE THE SYRIAN REGIME..."

http://www.judicialwatch.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/Pg.-291-Pgs.-287-293-JW-v-DOD-and-State-14-812-DOD-Release-2015-04-10-final-version11.pdf

The last line states quite clearly who wants what, and why... IF the "situation unravels" that is. This was BEFORE there was an ISIS.

Guess what... The situation unravelled didn't it. Go figure.

 

Also known to the Intelligence community was this Report in 2012 about Gaddafi's weapons being shipped from Libya to Syria...

- "During the immediate aftermath of, and following the uncertainty caused by, the downfall of the ((Qaddafi)) regime in October 2011 and up until early September of 2012, weapons from the former Libya military stockpiles located in Benghazi, Libya were shipped from the port of Benghazi, Libya to the ports of Banias and the Port of Borj Islam, Syria."

- "The Syrian ports were chosen due to the small amount of cargo traffic transiting these two ports. The ships used to transport the weapons were medium-sized and able to hold 10 or less shipping containers of cargo."

http://www.judicialwatch.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/Pgs.-1-3-2-3-from-JW-v-DOD-and-State-14-812-DOD-Release-2015-04-10-final-version1.pdf

 

How about the 2014 Benghazi Report and what veteran journalist Seymour Hersh has to say about it...

- "A highly classified annex to the report, not made public, described a secret agreement reached in early 2012 between the Obama and Erdoğan administrations. It pertained to the rat line. By the terms of the agreement, funding came from Turkey, as well as Saudi Arabia and Qatar; the CIA, with the support of MI6, was responsible for getting arms from Gaddafi’s arsenals into Syria."

- "‘The consulate’s only mission was to provide cover for the moving of arms,’"

- "Washington abruptly ended the CIA’s role in the transfer of arms from Libya after the attack on the consulate... Within weeks, as many as forty portable surface-to-air missile launchers, commonly known as manpads, were in the hands of Syrian rebels..."

http://www.lrb.co.uk/v36/n08/seymour-m-hersh/the-red-line-and-the-rat-line

 

There's also Vice President Joe Biden who called out Turkey, Saudi Arabia, UAE and others as supporting ISIS as a "proxy"...

- "Our biggest problem is our allies. Our allies in the region were our largest problem in Syria. The Turks... The Saudis... The Emirates... etc... What were they doing? They were so determined to take down Assad, and essentially have a proxy Sunni-Shia war, what did they do? They poured hundreds of millions of dollars and tens of thousands of tons of weapons into anyone who would fight against Assad. Except that the people who were being supplied, were Al Nusra and Al Qaeda and the extremist elements of Jihadis coming from other parts of the world."

- "President Erdogan told me, he's an old friend, said 'you were right, we let too many people through', and now their trying to seal their border." (said with a laugh)

He made those statements on October 02, 2014 during a speech at Harvard University.

Biden said they were trying to seal their border , and laughed about it.

How hard were they trying?... Is that why he laughed?

I have to ask because...

On November 29, 2015... More than a year later, speaking in Paris, President Obama had this to say about Turkey's border...

- "With respect to Turkey, I've had repeated conversations with President Erdogan about the need to close the border between Turkey and Syria. We've seen some serious progress on that front, but, there's still some gaps. In particular, there's about ninety eight kilometer[about 60 miles] that are still used as a transit point for foreign fighters, ISIL shipping out fuel for sale that helps finance their terrorist activities."

 

Let's also not forget that Hillary Clinton knew that Saudi Arabia and others were supporting ISIS, as shown by her email to long time Clintonite, John Podesta, on August 19, 2014...

- "While this military/para-military operation is moving forward, we need to use our diplomatic and more traditional intelligence assets to bring pressure on the governments of Qatar and Saudi Arabia, which are providing clandestine financial and logistic support to ISIL and other radical Sunni groups in the region."

https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/3774

Don't forget the Wikileaks Hillary Clinton memo from December 2009, where Clinton stated...

- "Donors in Saudi Arabia constitute the most significant source of funding to Sunni terrorist groups worldwide."

- "Saudi Arabia remains a critical financial support base for Al-Qaeda, the Taliban, LeT, other terrorist groups, including Hamas, which probably raise millions of dollars annually from Saudi sources."

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2010-12-06/saudi-arabia-bankrolling-terrorists-wikileaks/2364062

 

Man, I could go on and on, but I'll stop there.

Is ISIS a "proxy" for a state nation such as Saudi Arabia and others? Sure looks that way.

Did the U.S. ... or rather, parts of the Obama Administration help along the way? Take your pick, but it certainly does not look like they hindered them all that much.

At any rate, all those years, and weapons, and logistical support, and soooo much money and so on, and the mightiest powers on earth combined couldn't stop all the carnage and death that ISIS has reaped upon not only just the region, but the world? Hmmm.

Such a sad world we live in right now :no:

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Hammerclaw
6 hours ago, Lemieux said:

Holy smokes! :huh:

 

 

 

Gotta call it as I see it, and all I've seen here Hammerclaw, is you attacking and hurling names and insults to Farmer77, while at the same time, he has been rather polite about it, and IS backing up his claims with links to support his position.

All I've seen from you is insults and "Oh, bull!" as response to the many links he provided.

Then you cap it off with "Sorry the truth hurts" and "No point chucking facts at you".

What truth would that??? Because you didn't "chuck" any facts anywhere. As noted, all you've done is come in here and attack Farmer77 with insults... very immature, and not very good posting etiquette of course... while offering ZERO sources/links/evidence to back your refutation of Farmer77's posts.

Very disappointing to say the least.

:no:

Now you're attacking me and I don't know you from Adam, pal. Still, here's some facts for you to chew on, not subject to distortion or convoluted "interpretation" such as the wall of gobbledygook you just posted. Also a question; exactly who's heads have we been dropping ton's and tons of ordinance on during the tens of thousands of sorties flown in the last three years if not ISIS?  https://www.defense.gov/News/Special-Reports/0814_Inherent-Resolve

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38 minutes ago, Hammerclaw said:

Now you're attacking me and I don't know you from Adam, pal. Still, here's some facts for you to chew on, not subject to distortion or convoluted "interpretation" such as the wall of gobbledygook you just posted. Also a question; exactly who's heads have we been dropping ton's and tons of ordinance on during the tens of thousands of sorties flown in the last three years if not ISIS?  https://www.defense.gov/News/Special-Reports/0814_Inherent-Resolve

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errrr none  of us really 'know' each other - from Adam or anyone else - :) - (most of us anyway) 

when ISIS, (ISIL, Islamic State) started to sweep across Syria unimpeded and the US and allies were more
concerned with ousting the Assad regime than anything else and training and arming so-called moderate rebels -
the public were more or less outraged that it was allowed to happen and I think the US + allies were obliged to
put on a show to try and convince the Western Public that they were 'doing something' ---

all those 'sorties' (conveniently?) achieved more or less nothing and it wasn't until the Russians started to work
with the Syrian Army than any progress was made -

so then the MSM stopped filling the news with all the stuff about the terrible things the Islamic State were up to
and turned their attentions to trying to turn people against Russia - and any references to the IS were kept to
the absolute minimum or left out completely - it was as if the 'problem' had never existed and only the word
'rebel' was used --- especially in regards to Aleppo - 

If the US lead coalition was secretly helping to aid the creation of a Islamic State as part of a some insane
globalist plan then the 'sorties' would need to be ineffectual - as they were -

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something I posted on the other Russian thread
 

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US vows to CRUSH Russia as ‘2017 will be year of the OFFENSIVE’ against Putin
VLADIMIR Putin has been warned he is doomed to failure in Ukraine and that 2017 will be a year of anti-Russian aggression.

Top US senators John McCain and Lindsey Graham travelled to Ukraine’s frontline in Shyrokyne to proclaim to a crack team of marines “2017 will be the year of offense” and vowed to defeat Putin on battlefields of Eastern Europe.

If Putin claims victory in Ukraine then he may go on to invade, annexe and conquer other parts of the world, warned former Republican presidential candidate and prisoner of war in Vietnam John McCain.

Fellow Republican Mr Graham also issued a damning statement to Mr Putin, saying: “I admire the fact that you will fight for your homeland.

http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/749555/Vladimir-Putin-Ukraine-Crimea-Russia-John-McCain-Lindsey-Graham-Trump-Obama

 

 

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50 minutes ago, bee said:

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errrr none  of us really 'know' each other - from Adam or anyone else - :) - (most of us anyway) 

when ISIS, (ISIL, Islamic State) started to sweep across Syria unimpeded and the US and allies were more
concerned with ousting the Assad regime than anything else and training and arming so-called moderate rebels -
the public were more or less outraged that it was allowed to happen and I think the US + allies were obliged to
put on a show to try and convince the Western Public that they were 'doing something' ---

all those 'sorties' (conveniently?) achieved more or less nothing and it wasn't until the Russians started to work
with the Syrian Army than any progress was made -

so then the MSM stopped filling the news with all the stuff about the terrible things the Islamic State were up to
and turned their attentions to trying to turn people against Russia - and any references to the IS were kept to
the absolute minimum or left out completely - it was as if the 'problem' had never existed and only the word
'rebel' was used --- especially in regards to Aleppo - 

If the US lead coalition was secretly helping to aid the creation of a Islamic State as part of a some insane
globalist plan then the 'sorties' would need to be ineffectual - as they were -

Only if you conflate all the disparate rebel groups the Russians have been bombing with Daesh, which they're certainly not.

That conspiracy theory is so beyond the pale it doesn't merit serious discussion. Too many people would have to be in on it, and keep their mouths shut. I can't speak for your government, but mine wasn't even able to keep Monica Lewinsky's little escapade in the oval office secret, much less one that involves every branch of our military!

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6 minutes ago, Hammerclaw said:

 mine wasn't even able to keep Monica Lewinsky's little escapade in the oval office secret, much less one that involves every branch of our military!

 

well Id think you will find there is a huge difference between a man and woman in a room at the White-house, to....another military location which plans wars and espionage

seems kinda obvious

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Hammerclaw
15 minutes ago, seeder said:

 

well Id think you will find there is a huge difference between a man and woman in a room at the White-house, to....another military location which plans wars and espionage

seems kinda obvious

Only to you, apparently. There's nothing covert about Inherent Resolve.

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