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Paranormal Panther
14 hours ago, bee said:

 

What you said at the beginning of your post about hoping they aren't that desperate -
(to weaken, encroach upon and / or invade Russia)
If we look at it from the Globalization promoters point of view - it's not desperation it's just logic -
Globalization has to eventually include the biggest country in the world and they are probably
thinking they may as well take that up a gear now with the Big Bad Putin PSYOP -
the Russia 'hacked' the election PSYOP - at the same time trying to discredit Trump and WikiLeaks -

re. your 2nd paragraph - you and me both but I think that if they can successfully programme
a certain % of the population with their Perception Management they will consider the propaganda
job done - they know that large numbers probably won't buy their lies and nonsense but if they
can capture a certain %...........?

I mean that they likely won't attack or invade Russia, which would be the epitome of desperation. As for the globalists' perception management through the progressive media (neocon media at times), they certainly count on the apathy of the ignorant who willfully live in the dark. Their main foes are citizens who see their false narratives for the transparent lies that they are. Hence the rabid attack on alleged "fake news".

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seeder
17 minutes ago, DarkHunter said:

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Of course this only list civilians killed and not combatants killed in each of these wars or the numbers would be significantly higher.

 

Doesnt even come close to the 4 million the US has killed in its war on terror.....plus Id like to see the sources you used.

http://www.mintpressnews.com/do-the-math-global-war-on-terror-has-killed-4-million-muslims-or-more/208225/

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skyeagle409
3 hours ago, seeder said:

What I have said about the US being the bigger killers...in the MODERN world.....is entirely true. And it has to be... after all the US doesnt exactly have much history does it?

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I remember history quite well. Japan attacked the United States in 1941, and shortly afterward, Germany declared war on the United States, which was a major mistake on their part because when the smoke cleared, the United States emerged as the world's only superpower.

Now, we have Putin to deal with.

 

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Russian military intervention in Ukraine (2014–present)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_military_intervention_in_Ukraine_(2014–present)

 

Annexation of Crimea by the Russian Federation

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Annexation_of_Crimea_by_the_Russian_Federation

 

International Criminal Court: Russia's Invasion Of Ukraine Is A 'Crime,' Not A Civil War

http://www.forbes.com/sites/paulroderickgregory/2016/11/20/international-criminal-court-russias-invasion-of-ukraine-is-a-crime-not-a-civil-war/#1c913f377fec

 

Nato-Russia tensions move to Balkans with military drills

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-37834388

 

Britain to send hundreds more troops to Russia border as Cold War tension escalates across Europe

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/10/26/britain-boosts-estonia-troop-deployment-on-russias-border/

 

Nato puts 300,000 ground troops on 'high alert' as tensions with Russia mount

'We have seen a more assertive Russia implementing a substantial military build-up over many years,' Nato secretary-general says

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/nato-ground-troops-high-alert-russia-tensions-baltic-latvia-lithuania-estonia-a7402136.html

 

In Latvia, Tensions Mount Under Russia's Gaze

http://www.wsj.com/articles/SB10001424052702304163604579531713356133936

 

Two Aleppo hospitals bombed out of service in 'catastrophic' airstrikes

Airstrikes by forces loyal to the Syrian government have bombed out of service the two largest hospitals in besieged eastern Aleppo, which serve a quarter of a million civilians, in what doctors have described as a catastrophic campaign that is testing the conscience of the world.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/sep/28/aleppo-two-hospitals-bombed-out-of-service-syria-airstrikes

 
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skyeagle409
37 minutes ago, seeder said:

 

Doesnt even come close to the 4 million the US has killed in its war on terror.....plus Id like to see the sources you used.

http://www.mintpressnews.com/do-the-math-global-war-on-terror-has-killed-4-million-muslims-or-more/208225/

 

 

Blame Osama bin Laden, al-Qaeda, ISIS and the Taliban. OBL and al-Qaeda attacked the United States and they got what they deserved. Remember, the United States had warned Afghanistan to turn over OBL, but the Taliban refused, and the rest is now history. Now, Putin is cutting up.

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DarkHunter
18 minutes ago, seeder said:

 

Doesnt even come close to the 4 million the US has killed in its war on terror.....plus Id like to see the sources you used.

http://www.mintpressnews.com/do-the-math-global-war-on-terror-has-killed-4-million-muslims-or-more/208225/

Its good to see you are using the same tactic as always, finding some quick headline or one or two lines from a source that says something that you think validates your point without actually reading into it.  First off if you would of bothered to do more research, which you rarely seem to do, you would of noticed that Physicians for Social Responsibility, the ones who published the study that came up with this 4 million are using a different metric to count the dead then basically every other reporting agency is using.  Everyone from governments to various human rights groups to private institutions break the dead down into two main groups, combatants who died fighting and civilians casualties defined as civilians who died as a direct result of combat while the Physicians for Social Responsibility are not only combining the death totals of combatants and civilian casualties they are extending it even further by adding in those they believed died in these countries as an indirect response to the war going on.

Using this different metric that Physicians for Social Responsibility are trying to use creates some problems.  The first is how do you determine who died as an indirect response to a war, how exactly is that being defined and how far does it go.  Its a rather slippery slope and it doesn't take long or much effort before all deaths in a country at war are blamed on the war indirectly.  Some cases you can make a strong argument for such as someone who died causes they couldn't get treatment cause the hospital got bombed, a favorite tactic of Russia by the way, then there are cases that are a bit more questionable like someone who committed suicide cause of something they seen happen, then there are cases that just don't make much sense like those killed while looting in a war torn city.  

The second main issue is that it becomes impossible to verify if these numbers are accurate or not.  They are using a completely different metric then every body else so there is no way to tell if there numbers are anywhere close to being accurate or not and the fact that they include those they believe died as an indirect response to war means that even if others started attempting to use a similar metric for any comparison to be made they would need to define and count indirect deaths the exact same way which is in practicality an impossibility. 

Since you are using a completely different metric to count amount of people dead from various wars any comparison won't work but I am sure if you applied the same metric to the eight wars that Russia has been involved in during the past 25 years, especially the Chechen wars, I am sure you can easily get the number of dead into the millions, probably closer to low ten millions.

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Hammerclaw
3 hours ago, Paranormal Panther said:

That's understandable. Many of them experienced the dark days of the Cold War when Russia really and truly was a threat to the free world. Propaganda aside, they should feel safer now. By the way, do you not think that the situation, in the Baltic countries, is not like the situation in Ukraine?

Only so long as Russians choose for it not to be. Russian Ultranationalists have never been happy with the dissolution of the Former Soviet Union. They want it all back.

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Hammerclaw
5 hours ago, seeder said:

 

You see what you did there dont you?   You just did what everyone else has....you got historical. I did say earlier this is a tactic that is completely irrelevant to the current topic. Let me remind you, its being said that Russia is/was aimlessly killing civilians in Syria.

Then figures started getting mentioned

What I have said about the US being the bigger killers...in the MODERN world.....is entirely true. And it has to be... after all the US doesnt exactly have much history does it?

But those who like to continually bash Putin seem to forget their own countries actions

It's all history, Seeder, either past or in the making.  You just want to wage your propaganda campaign against my country in the absence of it. It makes the facts you draw out of context, distorted statistics, sheer lies and falsehoods more palatable and appealing. Unfortunately, for the most part, you play to an empty venue, where you delight in the sound of one hand clapping.

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Paranormal Panther
20 hours ago, Hammerclaw said:

Only so long as Russians choose for it not to be. Russian Ultranationalists have never been happy with the dissolution of the Former Soviet Union. They want it all back.

So, you're saying that the situations aren't the same. We're on the same page there. 

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Hammerclaw
2 hours ago, Paranormal Panther said:

So, you're saying that the situations aren't the same. We're on the same page there. 

Is the cup half empty or is it half full? It has the exact same elements should the Russians choose to exploit them. Much less likely now. with our nascent presence.

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Paranormal Panther
21 hours ago, Hammerclaw said:

Is the cup half empty or is it half full? It has the exact same elements should the Russians choose to exploit them. Much less likely now. with our nascent presence.

It's completely different. Nothing will happen.

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Hammerclaw
1 hour ago, Paranormal Panther said:

It's completely different. Nothing will happen.

One does not plan defensive strategy and countermeasures on what one thinks an adversary will do, but on what they are capable of doing.

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Paranormal Panther
22 hours ago, Hammerclaw said:

One does not plan defensive strategy and countermeasures on what one thinks an adversary will do, but on what they are capable of doing.

I agree with that, but it doesn't change the fact that the Baltic situation isn't the same as the Ukrainian situation. The Baltic countries absolutely should prepare for the worst since that's just the responsible thing to do.

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