Trump Inaguration

[Frank Merton]

4 minutes ago, Setton said:

No but you can't deny that the president's stance on an issue will have an effect both on the perceptions of the public and of other politicians.

I think I'm going to have to go with Terry Pratchett on government. What we really need are benevolent dictators. They make all good decisions and don't have to work their way through complicated political processes.

You need a way of seeing to it that the benevolent dictator is succeeded by another.  The only time I know of in history where this has worked (the autocrat adopted his successor) was the "golden age" of Rome from about 90AD until Caracalla took power (benevolent he was not).  Three generations was about all it could manage.

No system is perfect, but it should be dawning on people that the well-over-200 year old system of the US needs major overhaul and is seriously dysfunctional and reflects Aristocratic attitudes that are seriously out of date.

[Wickian]

1 hour ago, Paranormal Panther said:

You say uninformed, and I say dishonest. We're likely both right. Do these leftists know that his daughter is Jewish? Do they know that his grandchildren and son-in-law are Jews?

Just like an awful lot of conservatives believe that a large portion liberals are either on welfare and are leeches to the actually working portion of society, an awful lot of liberals believe a large portion of conservatives are bigoted racists.  Among many other stereotypes.

If you want an idea of how bad it's gotten, just imagine how violent and/or harassed people would become if everyone's political affiliation was known via a name tag or shirt button.  The drama that would play out at work, let along among family during the holidays, would be a nightmare.

[Frank Merton]

3 minutes ago, Frank Merton said:

You need a way of seeing to it that the benevolent dictator is succeeded by another.  The only time I know of in history where this has worked (the autocrat adopted his successor) was the "golden age" of Rome from about 90AD until Caracalla took power (benevolent he was not).  Three generations was about all it could manage.

No system is perfect, but it should be dawning on people that the well-over-200 year old system of the US needs major overhaul and is seriously dysfunctional and reflects Aristocratic attitudes that are seriously out of date.

 

[Michelle]

7 minutes ago, Frank Merton said:

This is going to be the real flash point.  Trump may say he has no problem with gay marriage and is not anti-semitic nor anti-Muslim and thinks women are equal and is not a racist, but his past history contains reason to doubt, and his list of proposed appointments to the Supreme Court was of conservatives that just delight the racists, so one has to wonder how honest he is being about all this.

Are you aware his daughter married a Jewish guy and converted?

[Astra.]

35 minutes ago, Captain Risky said:

BOLDED: Totally agree. Madonna and alot of other artists seem to think that their popularity is a licence to avoid the social and legal constraints that the rest of us have to suffer. She's a idiot for being outspoken on such a matter and no different to what she hates about president Trump. But a threat? C'mon.  

I agree with the most part of your post. But where did I say it was spoken as being an actual threat?....it was simply a dumb and unnecessary remark that could possibly incite more ferocity with the idiot anti-Trump thugs.

Maybe she should keep some of the destructive and violent thoughts she has to herself. 

[Paranormal Panther]

6 minutes ago, Wickian said:

If you want an idea of how bad it's gotten, just imagine how violent and/or harassed people would become if everyone's political affiliation was known via a name tag or shirt button.  

You don't have to imagine it since it's already happening. Just watch the clips in which unhinged leftists attack Trump fans in red caps.

[Paranormal Panther]

7 minutes ago, Michelle said:

Are you aware his daughter married a Jewish guy and converted?

Shut up, Michelle. You're ruining his uninformed diatribe.

[Yamato]

3 hours ago, and then said:

They're doing more than loving it, bee.  When O Barry returns from his golf vacation, he will begin his new role as a "president" in exile.  He's actually going to lead the resistance.  Guaranteed.  My guess is that this ends with street fighting in the major cities and possibly ALL the cities in the country.  We are in uncharted territory.

Really?      Where do you come up with this stuff?   What did Obama do or say to give you this uhh idea?

Can't just sit 'n snowflake, can't cause traffic, can't do anything else creative at all (whenever the critics can't think of anything else to do), can't go fight in the street either well of course!   Trumplings will be calling on police to open fire before that happens.  

There was plenty to protest about Obama that wasn't and there will be more to protest about Trump that won't.  

[Paranormal Panther]

1 hour ago, Astra. said:

I'm aware that Donald Trump can be thin skinned at times - and he has certainly been known to come back on the attack.

I have never been overly fussed on the man - and probably never will be. The thing is - he is now in power and people have to accept this. I'm also for freedom of speech, and people need to / and should have a right to express themselves by getting their message across.

I have always liked Madonna and her music. And I'm aware she probably used those words only as a figure of speech regarding her thoughts about 'blowing up the white house'.

But in light of some of the destruction that is currently taking place with the anti-Trump thugs on the streets...I feel that her chosen words were not only stupid.....but were also irresponsible. 

I would condemn this if a conservative and/or Republican celebrity said something like this. I also agree with your points about the bad side of Trump. However, few progressives here are condemning Madonna's psychosis. Some of them are the first to complain about partisanship.

[Vorg]

Here's the real Trump they complain about.

“When Donald opened his club in Palm Beach called Mar-a-Lago, he insisted on accepting Jews and blacks even though other clubs in Palm Beach to this day discriminate against blacks and Jews. The old guard in Palm Beach was outraged that Donald would accept blacks and Jews so that’s the real Donald Trump that I know.”

http://truthfeed.com/trump-insisted-on-including-jews-and-blacks-at-palm-beach-golf-course-in-1990s-when-others-didnt/10528/

“[A]mending the Civil Rights Act would grant the same protection to gay people that we give to other Americans – it’s only fair,” Trump told The Advocate in February, 2000. In the same interview, Trump said he favored “a very strong domestic-partnership law” that guaranteed same-sex couples equal legal rights as married, heterosexual couples. Trump also said he believed Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell – the military’s then-ban on openly gay service members – had “clearly failed.”

http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/donald-trump-2016s-most-lgbt-friendly-republican

So why are there those on the left that think he is a threat to all these people? He appears to be one who has stood for them for decades.
For me these things weren't an issue. It was about taking Washington D.C out of the rich, elite and powerfuls hand, and putting checks and balances, along with accountability back in the top levels of government.  And I saw that happening with Trump, and just the opposite with Clinton. 

[Ashotep]

2 hours ago, Michelle said:

I surprised they let men march. They aren't all inclusive. They scared the women who aren't pro choice off. If you don't march to the beat of their drum you weren't welcome.

Apparently they will let anyone march as long as you aren't a Trump supporter. 

http://dailycaller.com/2017/01/21/womens-march-organizer-recently-met-ex-hamas-operative-has-family-ties-to-terror-group/

I ready somewhere the pro choice people got in front of them and marched.

[skliss]

1 hour ago, and then said:

If a derelict drunk screams about killing the POTUS every day from his park bench, he's a nuisance.  If someone with money in the bank, and or weapons available to them and knowledge of how to use them and does the same thing, he'll likely be receiving visitors for a little chat.  She could easily afford to pay for such an attempt.  As Clint Eastwood once intoned - "It's a crime to threaten the life of the president".  

It's about time some of these entitled idiots got a reality check. A visit from the Secret Service might help in the humbling department. On the radio they said the only ones getting nasty and abusive at this protest were the celebrities. Apparently Ashley Judd said things too heinous to be repeated on the public airwaves. 

There was also a quote (not sure who said it) about rushing the White House and tearing down the fence..."they won't stop us because we're women". I think they would have found out their error rather quickly!

[Careful_perspective]

4 minutes ago, Ashotep said:

Apparently they will let anyone march as long as you aren't a Trump supporter. 

http://dailycaller.com/2017/01/21/womens-march-organizer-recently-met-ex-hamas-operative-has-family-ties-to-terror-group/

I ready somewhere the pro choice people got in front of them and marched.

Uh no. 

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/jan/17/pro-life-feminist-group-kicked-out-anti-trump-wome/

[Michelle]

3 minutes ago, Rinna said:

Uh no. 

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/jan/17/pro-life-feminist-group-kicked-out-anti-trump-wome/

I knew it was too good to be true. I wouldn't have marched with those women for that fact alone.

[Ashotep]

10 minutes ago, Rinna said:

Uh no. 

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/jan/17/pro-life-feminist-group-kicked-out-anti-trump-wome/

 

They claim they did.  Pictures in the article.

Quote

On her Facebook page, Kristan Hawkins, president of Students for Life of America, wrote, “Yeah so they wouldn’t let us in their march so we just ran ahead and got in the front.”

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/01/21/pro-life-youth-crash-pro-abortion-womens-march/

 

[Paranormal Panther]

23 hours ago, Avatar Samantha Ai said:

That is fine. Go ahead and believe what you read on Facebook.

Prove that the Democrats did not get annihilated in the elections. Prove that the Republicans did not win in contest after contest across the country. Prove that such news was simply relegated to Facebook. Prove that Bill and others based their beliefs on Facebook.

[Careful_perspective]

6 minutes ago, Ashotep said:

 

They claim they did.  Pictures in the article.

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/01/21/pro-life-youth-crash-pro-abortion-womens-march/

 

Oh wow, thank you for sharing that. I love that they got in front like that. It just makes me so sad that a pro-womens march can become so synonymous with abortions.

[Paranormal Panther]

On January 20, 2017 at 9:22 PM, Likely Guy said:

Last June, when he announced his candidacy for the Republican party, I quipped something to the effect of, "Dear U.S.A. - If you elect that man as your president, we can no longer be friends. Bff's forever, Canada."

I'm still wiping that egg off my face. I never thought that he had a chance, and I was wrong.

While I will carry a strong personal distaste for the man, by your chosen political system, he won the election.

For the sake of your nation and the rest of the world, I hope that he does such a fantastic job, that he'll be elected to a second term.

 

Now, *that's* a class act. The violent leftists could learn a lot from Likely Guy.

[Michelle]

 

Donning a black p***yhat, the music icon caused controversy by dropping the F-bomb four times, causing a slew of apologies from broadcasters airing the protest live. She went on to speak of her rage at the election result, telling the crowd she had thought a lot about 'blowing up the White House' but knew that it 'wouldn't change anything'

 

According to the Gateway Pundit, a spokesman for the Secret Service said they were 'aware' of Madonna's comments and will open an investigation, but the ultimate decision whether or not to prosecute is the decision of the U.S. Attorney's Office. 

 

The Daily Mail Online has reached out to the Secret Service for a comment. 

 

Madonna stated: 'I'm angry. Yes, I am outraged. Yes, I have thought an awful lot about blowing up the White House. But I know that this won't change anything.

'

We cannot fall into despair. As the poet W. H. Auden once wrote on the eve of World War Two, "We must love one another or die." I choose love. Are you with me?'

 

Her speech was met with raucous applause from the crowd of over half a million people in attendance at the National Mall for the march.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4142950/Thousands-women-head-Washington-protest-

[Likely Guy]

1 minute ago, Paranormal Panther said:

Now, *that's* a class act. The violent leftists could learn a lot from Likely Guy.

Your "violent leftists" were actually Anarchists They would have smashed and burned anyways. 200 arrests out of his estimate of a million at the inauguration? Negligible. I wonder why anyone pays attention to them.

[Merc14]

14 minutes ago, Paranormal Panther said:

Prove that the Democrats did not get annihilated in the elections. Prove that the Republicans did not win in contest after contest across the country. Prove that such news was simply relegated to Facebook. Prove that Bill and others based their beliefs on Facebook.

I have posted a dozen articles here and some were in this thread but it is obvious he/she is in denial and that is great!   It is exactly what we want and I dearly hope the majority of these folks are still full of hubris and in denial, it is how you win and that is all that counts now, keeping these deluded folks out of power.

[Astra.]

45 minutes ago, Merc14 said:

I have posted a dozen articles here and some were in this thread but it is obvious he/she is in denial [*]

Just changing the subject for a sec. Merc...and I know it's trivial. But maybe you should consider changing he/she as to being 'they' or 'they're.

Surely the poster would have to be female by choosing the name Samantha ?...but then.. anything seems to go these days.

I think he/she 'they' 'they're' may have chosen that specific user-name from the movie 'Her'...it's a strange science-fiction drama based on an artificial intelligence that is female...but has no body.

Anyway's..just a bit of trivia for ya .....if my assumption is wrong...then Avatar Samantha Ai is more than welcome to correct it.

[Tatetopa]

56 minutes ago, Paranormal Panther said:

Now, *that's* a class act. The violent leftists could learn a lot from Likely Guy.

All of us can learn a lesson from Likely Guy.  Donald Trump won the election.  It doesn't matter if more people came to Ronald Reagan's inauguration, Donald Trump is still the president.  In all fairness, and I remember well, Ronald Reagan had a big advantage, a civil society. Clinton, Bush, and Obama have all received hate speech from the other side.  Trump will too.  If the Democrats don't stop pandering to elitists and a few wealthy donors, they will never win an election again.  That is their problem, not your worry.

I am not a great Trump fan, he was the best choice of the two and I honor the presidency.  I want him to have a chance.  Its only a fringe of crazies who want this country to fail, likewise, its only a fringe of crazies that wear swastikas and want to deport all jews and nonwhites.

There are a whole lot of us in the middle with kids and jobs, some of who have served this country, and all want what is best for America. Most of us are respectful law abiding citizens.   President Trump is trying to bring us together, I liked a lot of what he said in his speech.  I want better schools and the possibility of better jobs and some politeness once in a while.  Thorvir had a well formulated  comment about what has made America great.  That's what I want for my kids and grand kids.  I want them to see what it is like when we work together, sometimes under hardship, toward a common goal.  I don't care what Madonna says or does, she doesn't live my life.

Some people have commented that we are too far gone, that the sides are so full of hate we are close to a civil war.   I don't believe that.  But we have to stop sniping at each other and like mean girls on twitter.  Spend your energy on the future.   Talk about what can be.  How do we get jobs back?  How do we improve education?  How do we get people out of losing situations and welfare and into jobs with dignity?  Reality says it will take more than pontificating and saying they should just get off their butts.  How do we get our military out of risking their lives to prop up tinpot dictators because some oil company wants to develop their oil fields?

I will credit a contributor on this site with his thread on education to getting me to go out and get involved in what I believe in.  I volunteered on Friday to spend 3 hours helping to set up a mentoring program for students majoring in engineering.  A lot of you have way more skills and talents than I do.  How cool would it be if you focused them on Making America Greater.

[Thorvir]

8 hours ago, Four Winds said:

I realize I am out numbered here, but I do believe in the separation of church and state and In my opinion, just my opinion, in no way should the swearing in of a president be shrouded in religion.

And for the record, Trump looked pretty darn bored during the religious intro, it sure didn't look like it meant anything to him.

That's because he knows it just tradition and nothing else.

[Unusual Tournament]

2 hours ago, Lemieux said:

 

The threat is the complete MORON... and there's plenty to chose from lately... that takes her words seriously and goes about making it happen.

These celebrities blathering on are beyond rediculous and sickening... and dangerous too.

As evidenced, there are already enough stupid sheeple running around out there with no other intent than to disrupt civilized society. We don't need celebrities throwing fuel on the fire with their own stupidity spewing from their mouths, while perched on a soapbox, in front of masses of mindless drones gobbling it up.

Remember when John Hickley Jr shot President Reagan because of Hinckley's supposed infatuation of a celebrity... Jody Foster.

That moron didn't even need a trigger like Madonna's comments to set him off... and of course back then Foster didn't say anything politically... but can you imagine if Foster had actually said something like ..."I'm angry... I have thought an awful lot about shooting Ronald Reagan".

These celebrities need to keep their mouths shut when it comes to politics.

All very good points, dude. I really can't counter any of them BUT i do remember Trump's threats against Clinton's life and the American democracy when he went outta his way to refer to some travesty of justice if he didn't win. He even asked Russia to step in to make sure he could win the election. That could have gone either way and still might.

It's sooo easy to remember only what our politics incline us to at times and rarely do we take an even handed view of the over all picture. Especially since it was Trump and the republicans that started all tis bitterness and dirty politics. 

 So democratic supporters feel angry and upset. understandable and in no way do i condone it. By all means arrest Madonna and all the other celebrities that have spoken out BUT also call for Trump's arrest if you wanna be fair.