Trump Inaguration

[+and-then]

4 hours ago, Frank Merton said:

You need a way of seeing to it that the benevolent dictator is succeeded by another.  The only time I know of in history where this has worked (the autocrat adopted his successor) was the "golden age" of Rome from about 90AD until Caracalla took power (benevolent he was not).  Three generations was about all it could manage.

No system is perfect, but it should be dawning on people that the well-over-200 year old system of the US needs major overhaul and is seriously dysfunctional and reflects Aristocratic attitudes that are seriously out of date.

 

The Founding fathers anticipated this and left a mechanism to facilitate it.

The Congress, whenever two thirds of both Houses shall deem it necessary, shall propose Amendments to thisConstitution, or, on the Application of the Legislatures of two thirds of the several States, shall call a Convention for proposing Amendments, which, in either Case, shall be valid to all Intents and Purposes, as ...

Article V Amendment Process - National Constitution Center

https://constitutioncenter.org/interactive-constitution/articles/article-v

So long as this procedure is followed to the letter, most conservative Americans would accept the result.

[Claire.]

1 minute ago, Michelle said:

Going back over this thread I realized I missed a few posts and this was one of them. It's disappointing. You always seem to be so rational I keep hoping to see something not so one sided.

The fact that you had not ever heard of people being ridiculed and threatened, if they performed at Trump's inauguration, shows me you don't get out of your comfort zone.

Geez, this irrational hatred and the reliance on lies is so incredibly pathetic.

The above statement (taken word for word from another member's post), and other, similar statements, have been used repeatedly against members. But that's not the issue. It was important to make the comment I did because the irony was so thick, one could almost choke on it. Trump lies. That is a well-documented fact.

As for my being rational, I always am (except when it comes to cute little animals). I'm also always, for the most part, one sided. The sides I choose, however, vary depending on the situation and the people involved. I have no issue taking any politician or voter to task. If Trump lies, and he does, I will address it. If Hillary lies, and she does, I will address that too. I have no blind allegiance to anyone. They are all fair game as far as I'm concerned. As for the threats made to performers for Trump's inauguration, I addressed that and made it clear that it was inappropriate and unacceptable. There are certain behaviors that are never acceptable, and I don't see why I, or anyone, should ignore them in some people but not in others.

[+and-then]

49 minutes ago, kmt_sesh said:

Here in Chicago so many people ended up streaming in for the women's march that they actually ended up cancelling it. Still, mobs of people (women, men, their kids) marched down the streets and clogged the avenues to "have their voices heard." Most of them cannot articulately explain why they're marching, other than they're unhappy with Trump's winning the election. So what in the hell is marching and rallying going to accomplish?

Well, even though I'm a Republican I certainly didn't vote for Trump, but you are of course right. He just took office. It's a done deal. Whining and screaming about it changes nothing. We've no choice but to give the man a chance, and ultimately history will determine how much of a success or failure he will be. It's on him now.

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This time there appears to be a difference, though.  The outpouring of hysteria seems to be self-perpetuating and these people, stoked by the MSM, actually seem to believe they can either change the results of the election or in some way remove him before he ever has a chance to govern.  It really is remarkable just how out of touch portions of our population have become.  As he implements the changes he has promised, I expect an absolute melt-down in the media and potentially, violence, by these immature people.  They actually seem to believe they can forcibly demand that half the country cave to their demands.

[Astra.]

1 hour ago, LV-426 said:

I mean, for god's sake, the women defiantly marching around the world today were waving banners around with slogans such as "NO TO WAR!" What war!? Do these people even know what they are raging against, or are they just raging for the sake of raging?

Yes - apparently it has become a global movement. It's not only about Donald Trump ( though they did use him as a launch to kick it off) The message they are trying to convey covers many issues in regards to all women and their basic human rights. 

I am yet to understand why some groups are using the 'No to War' slogan tho.

[Michelle]

1 minute ago, Claire. said:

 As for the threats made to performers for Trump's inauguration, I addressed that and made it clear that it was inappropriate and unacceptable. There are certain behaviors that are never acceptable, and I don't see why I, or anyone, should ignore them in some people but not in others

Yes, you did. I was more taken aback by the fact you were totally unaware of it. You'd almost have to be living under a rock not to hear about it, unless you rely on just a few preferred sources for your information

[Baz Dane]

2 hours ago, Captain Risky said:

All very good points, dude. I really can't counter any of them BUT i do remember Trump's threats against Clinton's life and the American democracy when he went outta his way to refer to some travesty of justice if he didn't win.

And I also remember Clinton alluding to assassination attempts against Obama in the 2008 primaries... Both not worthy of mention.

2 hours ago, Captain Risky said:

He even asked Russia to step in to make sure he could win the election. That could have gone either way and still might.

That lie is not even worth responding to anymore.

If you want to talk about Russia, how about Hillary and her minions signing off on selling 20% of the U.S. uranium supply to Russia. At least we'll have some evidence on the topic.

2 hours ago, Captain Risky said:

It's sooo easy to remember only what our politics incline us to at times and rarely do we take an even handed view of the over all picture. Especially since it was Trump and the republicans that started all tis bitterness and dirty politics. 

Dirty politics? You mean like the DNC??? CNN??? how about Hillary knowingly accepting and taking the answers to the debates ahead of time, instead of reporting the incident as an HONEST would-be politician should/WOULD do.

Dirty politics indeed.

2 hours ago, Captain Risky said:

So democratic supporters feel angry and upset. understandable and in no way do i condone it. By all means arrest Madonna and all the other celebrities that have spoken out BUT also call for Trump's arrest if you wanna be fair.

I never called for Madonna's arrest, though, if someone WERE to now bomb the White House in the coming weeks, and they find that the bomber also happens infatuated with Madonna, then perhaps I would consider some charges against her.

I DO indeed "wanna be fair" but you need to be "fair" to yourself first.

Hillary and crew have done WAY more damage to the U.S. and the World, than Trump... For far too long. Period.

How ANYONE can A: not see and understand that, and B: STILL continue to support the un-indicted criminal Hillary,(not you directly, but in general) is beyond me.

[Baz Dane]

4 minutes ago, Astra. said:

Yes - apparently it has become a global movement. It's not only about Donald Trump ( though they did use him as a launch to kick it off) The message they are trying to convey covers many issues in regards to all women and their basic human rights. 

I am yet to understand why some groups are using the 'No to War' slogan tho.

What a sad joke... The majority of these protesters would rather Hillary in Office, while chanting about Women's Rights and LGBTQ Rights and the whole down-with-Trump mantra.

Meanwhile the one they want in power, Hillary, has taken millions from Saudi Arabia... because they are such Champions of said aforementioned Rights yes?

Not too mention their funding and arming of AL Qaeda and ISIS over the years.

THAT, is what these people want to see continue happening???

[Vorg]

And to add to the fact that Hillary lies too. If Hillary thought her server was legal, it would have been subjected to FOIA laws for record keeping, yet she deleted 33,000 "personal" email. She never would have written 33,000 emails on a server that was legal and subjected to FOIA laws. She had an illegal server, and knew it was illegal.

[bee]

1 hour ago, LV-426 said:

Here's an idea...

Trump's been in office one day. Why don't we all, especially those wailing and gnashing their teeth from outside American soil, just give the guy a chance, and then judge him on his actions?

I mean, for god's sake, the women defiantly marching around the world today were waving banners around with slogans such as "NO TO WAR!" What war!? Do these people even know what they are raging against, or are they just raging for the sake of raging?

 

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I agree -

When Sky News were showing the march (Sky News is very much Mind Control Media) they swooped in to
do a clear shot of a woman, at that moment holding up a placard to camera as if on cue and it said --

"""Trump is Putin's puppet """--- then they swept round the crowd and settled on... """No to Trump~No to War """

something is going on --- more than what we think 

Social Media is being used to mobilize sheep like people onto the streets - and they barely know why they are there-

Would they prefer to have had a serious conflict with Russia?... Bill Clinton back in the White House..?

Never mind Trump insults women ---- women are insulting Trump by falling for all the Perception Management and
blatant propaganda - - .

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[Paranormal Panther]

4 hours ago, Likely Guy said:

Your "violent leftists" were actually Anarchists They would have smashed and burned anyways. 200 arrests out of his estimate of a million at the inauguration? Negligible. I wonder why anyone pays attention to them.

Your last sentence shows why they are there. No, I don't think that the anarchists represent most progressives. You just wonder who they are, and you wonder who controls and directs them. It's likely that they're professional troublemakers.

[Paranormal Panther]

4 hours ago, Merc14 said:

I have posted a dozen articles here and some were in this thread but it is obvious he/she is in denial and that is great!   It is exactly what we want and I dearly hope the majority of these folks are still full of hubris and in denial, it is how you win and that is all that counts now, keeping these deluded folks out of power.

My post was sarcasm. I see your larger point, though. My fear is that the masses will force or push their will on the rest of the country, like pampered and spoiled brats who always get their way. I'm really tired of giving in to their tantrums, and we really need to draw a line in the sand to let them know that we count just as much as they do.

[bee]

Just now, Lemieux said:

What a sad joke... The majority of these protesters would rather Hillary in Office, while chanting about Women's Rights and LGBTQ Rights and the whole down-with-Trump mantra.

Meanwhile the one they want in power, Hillary, has taken millions from Saudi Arabia... because they are such Champions of said aforementioned Rights yes?

Not too mention their funding and arming of AL Qaeda and ISIS over the years.

THAT, is what these people want to see continue happening???

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yes perhaps Madonna would like to work with Al Qaeda and the Islamic State to blow up the White House - ?

I'm sure they would be more than happy to join forces with the celebrities who are steadily losing touch with reality -

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[Kismit]

I think perhaps the greatest thing Trump could do would be re-unite the American public. The us and them mentality is clearly  unhelpful 

[bee]

24 minutes ago, and then said:

This time there appears to be a difference, though.  The outpouring of hysteria seems to be self-perpetuating and these people, stoked by the MSM, actually seem to believe they can either change the results of the election or in some way remove him before he ever has a chance to govern.  It really is remarkable just how out of touch portions of our population have become.  As he implements the changes he has promised, I expect an absolute melt-down in the media and potentially, violence, by these immature people.  They actually seem to believe they can forcibly demand that half the country cave to their demands.

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stoked up by the MSM and mobilized by social media - this is a dangerous development and some strong
psychological manipulation is going on where even seemingly intelligent people are at the total mercy of the
puppeteers working behind the scenes --- the groups who thought they were going to get Clinton into the White
House - but now have to mobilize a non military 'army' of brain washed people onto the streets ---

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[Paranormal Panther]

2 hours ago, Tatetopa said:

All of us can learn a lesson from Likely Guy.  Donald Trump won the election.  It doesn't matter if more people came to Ronald Reagan's inauguration, Donald Trump is still the president.  In all fairness, and I remember well, Ronald Reagan had a big advantage, a civil society. Clinton, Bush, and Obama have all received hate speech from the other side.  Trump will too.  If the Democrats don't stop pandering to elitists and a few wealthy donors, they will never win an election again.  That is their problem, not your worry.

I am not a great Trump fan, he was the best choice of the two and I honor the presidency.  I want him to have a chance.  Its only a fringe of crazies who want this country to fail, likewise, its only a fringe of crazies that wear swastikas and want to deport all jews and nonwhites.

There are a whole lot of us in the middle with kids and jobs, some of who have served this country, and all want what is best for America. Most of us are respectful law abiding citizens.   President Trump is trying to bring us together, I liked a lot of what he said in his speech.  I want better schools and the possibility of better jobs and some politeness once in a while.  Thorvir had a well formulated  comment about what has made America great.  That's what I want for my kids and grand kids.  I want them to see what it is like when we work together, sometimes under hardship, toward a common goal.  I don't care what Madonna says or does, she doesn't live my life.

Some people have commented that we are too far gone, that the sides are so full of hate we are close to a civil war.   I don't believe that.  But we have to stop sniping at each other and like mean girls on twitter.  Spend your energy on the future.   Talk about what can be.  How do we get jobs back?  How do we improve education?  How do we get people out of losing situations and welfare and into jobs with dignity?  Reality says it will take more than pontificating and saying they should just get off their butts.  How do we get our military out of risking their lives to prop up tinpot dictators because some oil company wants to develop their oil fields?

I will credit a contributor on this site with his thread on education to getting me to go out and get involved in what I believe in.  I volunteered on Friday to spend 3 hours helping to set up a mentoring program for students majoring in engineering.  A lot of you have way more skills and talents than I do.  How cool would it be if you focused them on Making America Greater.

Let's hope that Trump is allowed to do the things that you list in your post. There should be no partisanship in our economy and our infrastructure. They should give the man a chance to improve the common problems that we all face. They're just hurting themselves when they don't. For instance, it's likely that Trump really does care about our inner cities. Closed factories and crap schools have impacted more Black neighborhoods than the Klan. I don't want some leftist mob to cut off their noses to spite their faces in such a way that it all turns into a "what if". I'm starting to think that a lot of Democratic politicians don't want Black people to join other groups who comprise the middle class.

[acidhead]

You know after today's events with the Woman's March Im thinking Bernie still has a chance to win it!!

[Clarakore]

Maybe the Women's March "no to war" signs are in reference to Don the Con's war?

And no, Trump is not at war with the media, he is at war with facts.

Edited January 22, 2017 by Avatar Samantha Ai

[bee]

Just now, Kismit said:

I think perhaps the greatest thing Trump could do would be re-unite the American public. The us and them mentality is clearly  unhelpful 

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is he even be going to be given the chance to do that --- ?

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[CrimsonKing]

5 minutes ago, Kismit said:

I think perhaps the greatest thing Trump could do would be re-unite the American public. The us and them mentality is clearly  unhelpful 

He's only human...

After 8 years of hearing how some Americans cling to their guns n bibles and half the country is full of deplorables,i think it's time leaders on both sides try to lend a helping hand in uniting instead of dividing. 

[Michelle]

3 minutes ago, Claire. said:

That's quite insulting Michelle. Should I pick out a news story you're not up to speed on and demean you for not being aware of it? Should I question your selection of news sources? Your choice of comfort zone? The election was not my priority. Trump's inauguration and the events leading up to it was even less of a priority. As for living under a rock, my education eats up approximately 12 hours a day. That's my priority. Whether Trump's performers were threatened or not is not anywhere near up there in the must know now events, and why you would make such an issue of it is beyond me.

I meant no insults and certainly wouldn't want anything to take away from your studies. For some reason, I was led to believe your classes depended on keeping up with current events and you read various news sources as a result.

If I was mistaken, I apologize.

[Yamato]

Who cares if more people came to the inauguration?   The White House.

Claims largest crowd size in history.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/white-house-slams-shameful-tweets-for-downplaying-trumps-inaugural-crowd-size-232820494.html

 

[Paranormal Panther]

45 minutes ago, Astra. said:

I am yet to understand why some groups are using the 'No to War' slogan tho.

That's rich. Where were they during the past fifteen years of real war? Where are the mass marches and protests in recognition of the thousands of people who were killed in needless wars, many of whom were babies and children? Geesh, I'm more of a pacifist than these "peace-loving" progressives.

[Yamato]

5 minutes ago, bee said:

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is he even be going to be given the chance to do that --- ?

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If he's full of it, people should call him out for it bee.  If Ron Paul calls him out, he's the honest one you can trust, remember?  

How he's not getting the chance?   I don't think the Women's march is that powerful. 

 

[acidhead]

1 minute ago, Yamato said:

Who cares if more people came to the inauguration?   The White House.

Claims largest crowd size in history.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/white-house-slams-shameful-tweets-for-downplaying-trumps-inaugural-crowd-size-232820494.html

 

It was a beautiful crowd.. the best crowd ever... people were so impressed with its size.. it was huge

[Claire.]

Just now, Michelle said:

I meant no insults and certainly wouldn't want anything to take away from your studies. For some reason, I was led to believe your classes depended on keeping up with current events and you read various news sources as a result.

If I was mistaken, I apologize.

No worries Michelle. My studies do necessitate knowledge of current (and past) events, specifically, events that violate international law (war crimes, crimes against humanity, genocide, and the like). But hey, who knows, Trump might one day.... (jk)