Protesting for what?

[Jarocal]

1 hour ago, AdealJustice said:

these leftists love to bring up the non existent wage gap but ignore the evidently existing suicide gap, murder gap, life expectancy gap, dangerous and dirty jobs gap, military standards gap, post secondary education gap and just about every other gap that may effect men and growing boys. What we need to do is solve human problems through egalitarianism or by any means that doesn't reply on gender or identity politics.

 

Setting aside the veracity of any wage gap argument, why is it a reason to protest at the inauguration? The previous administration had two solid years where they could have rammed through legislation and six more where some republicans would have voted along to boost their reelection demographics. It is however, apparent that gender wage inequalities were not an administration priority.

[Sir Wearer of Hats]

2 hours ago, Sweetpumper said:

MILO: ‘Nothing Says Women’s Rights Like a Sharia Law Activist Who Wears the Hijab’

“This is Linda Sarsour, the Hamas-loving Muslim woman throwing up the ISIS sign that somehow was in charge of the women’s march on Washington. Because nothing says women’s rights like a Sharia law activist in a hijab,” proclaimed MILO ironically. “Seriously, this is how stupid liberals are.”

http://www.breitbart.com/milo/2017/01/25/milo-nothing-says-womens-rights-like-sharia-law-activist-wears-hijab/

If she CHOOSES to wear it, then we shouls live in a society where that choice is respected.  So yes, it IS a good symbol for freedom. ... assuming she chooses to wear the gear.

[AdealJustice]

Just now, Jarocal said:

Setting aside the veracity of any wage gap argument, why is it a reason to protest at the inauguration? The previous administration had two solid years where they could have rammed through legislation and six more where some republicans would have voted along to boost their reelection demographics. It is however, apparent that gender wage inequalities were not an administration priority.

rather the previous establishment repeated the myth to pander to a group of people they knew would fall to the democratic side. It become one of their main talking points yet nothing was done by them to fix the situation... why? because there is likely nothing to actually fix

[AdealJustice]

Just now, Sir Wearer of Hats said:

If she CHOOSES to wear it, then we shouls live in a society where that choice is respected.  So yes, it IS a good symbol for freedom. ... assuming she chooses to wear the gear.

it is NOT symbol of freedom. It is like the equivalent of confused black people wearing the KKK hat saying they are misunderstood and the hood actually stands for freedom. The hijab literally is the anti thesis of freedom.... She can choose to wear it but she can't propagandized her wahabist beliefs under the guise of liberty and think she can get away with it.

[Jarocal]

2 minutes ago, AdealJustice said:

it is NOT symbol of freedom. It is like the equivalent of confused black people wearing the KKK hat saying they are misunderstood and the hood actually stands for freedom. The hijab literally is the anti thesis of freedom.... She can choose to wear it but she can't propagandized her wahabist beliefs under the guise of liberty and think she can get away with it.

I see no issue/irony with a person of faith who wears a hijab protesting for women's rights. If she does actively promote sharia law then that would be a bit ironic. Why is a hijab any different than an amish or mennonite woman always wearing a bonnet out of modesty?

[AdealJustice]

2 minutes ago, Jarocal said:

I see no issue/irony with a person of faith who wears a hijab protesting for women's rights. If she does actively promote sharia law then that would be a bit ironic. Why is a hijab any different than an amish or mennonite woman always wearing a bonnet out of modesty?

She does actively promote sharia law lol. She tweets about it regularly it seems and with great pride. The enforcement of the hijab in traditionally muslim nations... Women in those nations are fighting to take the hijab off and here we have someone promoting it and doing a disservice to muslim women who want the right to choose. Instead she's sensationalizing it and using it as a political tool.

[aztek]

2 minutes ago, Jarocal said:

I see no issue/irony with a person of faith who wears a hijab protesting for women's rights. If she does actively promote sharia law then that would be a bit ironic. Why is a hijab any different than an amish or mennonite woman always wearing a bonnet out of modesty?

lol, they are not, it is something their tradition requires, something that is NOT their choice,  same way married Jewish females, can not go out with a head not covered, some chose to shave their head and wear a wig. 

same thing with females muslim almost all body covering clothes, (in some cases fully) it's worn so  males can not see their body, cuz they belong to other man,  the whole concept that they belong to a man defies the freedom concept,

[Jarocal]

1 minute ago, aztek said:

lol, they are not, it is something their tradition requires, something that is NOT their choice,  same way married Jewish females, can not go out with a head not covered, some chose to shave their head and wear a wig. 

same thing with females muslim almost all body covering clothes, (in some cases fully) it's worn so  males can not see their body, cuz they belong to other man,  the whole concept that they belong to a man defies the freedom concept,

But it is their choice( in the US). At the age of adulthood they cannot be forced to participate in any religion they do not wish to. This board is littered with people "who used to be protestant" or "used to be Catholic". Certain there are people who used to practice Judaism or Islam on here also.

I always figured the burka was the middle eastern equivalent of the "I"m with Stupid-->" T-shirt only they get to hide their identity better. Not to mention as bulky as a burka is there is plenty of room to carry an ak with which to focefully argue in favor of womens rights the same as others use them to try and limit other people's rights.

[AdealJustice]

1 hour ago, Jarocal said:

But it is their choice( in the US). At the age of adulthood they cannot be forced to participate in any religion they do not wish to. This board is littered with people "who used to be protestant" or "used to be Catholic". Certain there are people who used to practice Judaism or Islam on here also.

I always figured the burka was the middle eastern equivalent of the "I"m with Stupid-->" T-shirt only they get to hide their identity better. Not to mention as bulky as a burka is there is plenty of room to carry an ak with which to focefully argue in favor of womens rights the same as others use them to try and limit other people's rights.

I used to be muslim. Was born into it. Left 3ish years ago.

[Thorvir]

2 minutes ago, AdealJustice said:

I used to be muslim. Was born into it. Left 3ish years ago.

Why did you leave?

[MWoo7]

re Muslim , many a church I looked into, most are my way or the highway and so I kept saying its like a rerun .. a black and white rerun of a show, same and same and same, but later school and such took over.

 

Yep everyone can get into things when growing up.  I know I did !

 

tx for the share

Edited January 27, 2017 by MWoo7

[aztek]

1 hour ago, Jarocal said:

But it is their choice( in the US). At the age of adulthood they cannot be forced to participate in any religion they do not wish to.

actually they can and they are. 

23-27 documented honor killings every year in the U.S., many more go unreported

https://www.jihadwatch.org/2015/11/23-27-documented-honor-killings-every-year-in-the-u-s-many-more-go-unreported

 

[aztek]

1 hour ago, Jarocal said:

I always figured the burka was the middle eastern equivalent of the "I"m with Stupid-->" T-shirt only they get to hide their identity better. Not to mention as bulky as a burka is there is plenty of room to carry an ak with which to focefully argue in favor of womens rights the same as others use them to try and limit other people's rights.

no, that almost never happens in real world. 

[AdealJustice]

3 hours ago, Thorvir said:

Why did you leave?

grew up in it, studied it and was unable to have it be compatible with logic and modern science. After switching sects many times and studying their perspective i simply could not accept the religion. I always told myself it was divine scripture and it was universal but the scriptures were contradictory and was definitely not universal. It claimed to be universal and then it scholars and priests asked for it to be contextualized within Islamic history that nobody has been able to decide upon for bloody well over 1400 years. The prophets of the abrahamic faith have done less for us as a people than the great thinkers and scientists throughout history. I choose to believe in a higher power but without religious scriptural chains. To look upon the universe in wonder and the intrigue wanting to better understand it to better understand myself and my purpose. Lol i could literally write a book on my experience, it really was a long and tenuous journey. It is extremely difficult to leave a faith system that you were born and brain washed into being told every human is born muslim but they choose to believe otherwise therefore they are sinners. Im shocked at the pro muslim propaganda that most of society has accepted in the west. 

Edited January 27, 2017 by AdealJustice

[Kurzweil]

8 hours ago, Skulduggery said:

I don't go to Yanni concerts.

You seem more of a zamfir type of guy. Don't get me wrong the pan flute is cool but Jethro Tull kicked a flutes ace into greatness. But yeah zamfir for you.

Edited January 27, 2017 by Kurzweil

[Skulduggery]

Is he the guy who used to rape and kill the tourists in Loredo, per chance?

Edited January 27, 2017 by Skulduggery

[Kurzweil]

Never heard of that. Gheorghe zamfir. Please inform on that.

Edited January 27, 2017 by Kurzweil

[Skulduggery]

4 minutes ago, Kurzweil said:

Never heard of that. Gheorghe zamfir. Please inform on that.

I'll YouTube it later.

[Stubbly_Dooright]

7 hours ago, AdealJustice said:

jesus Christ... the wage gap is been debuncked time and time again. if you would simply take the time to inform yourself you might make yourself privy to information outside your world view. Less huffingtonpost articles maybe... when including the variables the wage gape literally disappears

Why don't you do that then. Inform me how it's debunked, if you want me to believe you. I would be very interested in your point of view and where you got the information. Though, things I have gone to to search, ( and I have done it many times to inform myself on various women's and other issues ) so I have a pretty good picture. 

Granted, there is a difference in salary to hourly. And yes, hourly does not have that. But if we go to the debate that's it's life choices, what happens if women choose to not marry and have children, is it debunked there? Sometimes those life choices may end up in being severe to even catch up. 

There was a salary job I had, and when discussing with a male co-worker, ( we both were just recruited fresh from college, with the same schedule and such, and found out when we happened to discussed our salaries, he mentioned he was getting a certain that was indeed more per the amount I was was earning. And we both were single, childless, and working the same amount of time. He noticed my shocked of how he was making more, and tried to say that he wasn't sure he was making that, just to not upset me. But it was too late, I knew. That just blew me away. And trust me, I have been informing myself ever since. There just happens to be two sides to it, doesn't it? 

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anecdote. note I see it in person some mistreat of people to men. its an utterly shallow position to take that neglects nuance. Humans simply treat humans poorly why play off of identity politics.

If you had noticed, I word things as opinion. If I'm saying it as fact, I would back it up. Taking it as you say I am, so I am. It could be anecdotal to you that I say what I say worded as opinion. As I would see that if your opinion is expressed in the same way opposite to mine. 

Shallow? Well, that's your opinion. I don't think I have that outlook. I have lived in many states and jobs, and observed those who treat others in both a civilian and military environments. There always seem to be a similar pattern how some, be it a big group in one area and a small one in another, just behave the way they do and the negative ramifications that stem from it. 

Still my opinion,  but based off from many years and various environments of observation and experience. I try to keep an open mind, but it gets harder as I see more of the same. Yes, all humans are capable of treating others poorly, but sometimes, there are reasons that encourage them. I think a little more help in not encouraging them. 

 

[Kurzweil]

I look forward to it. Never heard that story. Maybe his infomercials didn't bring in the cash and went bat****e crazy. Oh well post it when you can.

 

[Thorvir]

34 minutes ago, AdealJustice said:

grew up in it, studied it and was unable to have it be compatible with logic and modern science. After switching sects many times and studying their perspective i simply could not accept the religion. I always told myself it was divine scripture and it was universal but the scriptures were contradictory and was definitely not universal. It claimed to be universal and then it scholars and priests asked for it to be contextualized within Islamic history that nobody has been able to decide upon for bloody well over 1400 years. The prophets of the abrahamic faith have done less for us as a people than the great thinkers and scientists throughout history. I choose to believe in a higher power but without religious scriptural chains. To look upon the universe in wonder and the intrigue wanting to better understand it to better understand myself and my purpose. Lol i could literally write a book on my experience, it really was a long and tenuous journey. It is extremely difficult to leave a faith system that you were born and brain washed into being told every human is born muslim but they choose to believe otherwise therefore they are sinners.

Good post, and thank you for helping me understand you.  Are you a bit fearful for your safety if the bad guys find out you walked away from their faith?

34 minutes ago, AdealJustice said:

Im shocked at the pro muslim propaganda that most of society has accepted in the west. 

Well, it's more political than anything else, the left is really addicted to the "blame the victim" mentality.  The Big Bad Old US is oppressing those innocent islamists and causing all the problems in the Middle East....and some such stuff.

[Stubbly_Dooright]

8 hours ago, aztek said:

guess what,  so do men,  why do we have to give up half when she wants to leave, why is family court almost always on mother side regardless of what kind of mother she is, and regardless of what kid wants., i can come up with many more examples, 

Yes, I am fully aware of that. I have helped various men who are the victims of domestic violence. And I do see how men feel that they are the ones victimized in relationships especially with children. In divorces, mostly she got the kids, but remember in the past she mainly wasn't working, so she needed that to survive. I do agree, there are times when the fathers should have the custody, the children should go to the better and loving care giver. 

The thing is, I see it more with women. When there is a murder/suicide in a domestic violence relationship, it's usually the male who murders the female and then turns the gun on himself. There was such a case in my area a year or so back. I remember helping the wife at my work and remember him, and noticing his very seething manner. I have seen more men than women do more of the controlling, but I do realize it's not always the case. 

Have you experienced a situation where you were felt you were wronged because of your gender? I'm curious. 

[Stubbly_Dooright]

48 minutes ago, AdealJustice said:

grew up in it, studied it and was unable to have it be compatible with logic and modern science. After switching sects many times and studying their perspective i simply could not accept the religion. I always told myself it was divine scripture and it was universal but the scriptures were contradictory and was definitely not universal. It claimed to be universal and then it scholars and priests asked for it to be contextualized within Islamic history that nobody has been able to decide upon for bloody well over 1400 years. The prophets of the abrahamic faith have done less for us as a people than the great thinkers and scientists throughout history. I choose to believe in a higher power but without religious scriptural chains. To look upon the universe in wonder and the intrigue wanting to better understand it to better understand myself and my purpose. Lol i could literally write a book on my experience, it really was a long and tenuous journey. It is extremely difficult to leave a faith system that you were born and brain washed into being told every human is born muslim but they choose to believe otherwise therefore they are sinners. Im shocked at the pro muslim propaganda that most of society has accepted in the west. 

I grew up secular, so I wonder how the path those choose, when they separate themselves from a religion there were part of, mostly if they were raised in. Have you searched other religions? Or you just believe in a higher power? Despite growing up secular, I had very few years of being an Atheist until I just believed in a very New Age way. Is one really feel that one who embraces their belief, despite all the restraints, should be discouraged? I feel everyone has a right to believe and practice what they believe in, ( or not believe in, Atheists etc.) Just as long as it's not harmful to others, including forcing belief onto others. 

I do not know as much about Islam, but could the hijab (am I spelling it correctly?) be the same as one would wear a cross? Or the head cover that I see Jewish men wear? Or does each item mean different things? 

[Jarocal]

3 hours ago, aztek said:

no, that almost never happens in real world. 

I confess that I would most likely have a short lifespan if karma had me born as a woman in an Islamic country. The first time my husband laid his hands on me i would wait till he fell asleep, sew the sheet to the matress, and then proceed to crack several of his ribs with wet sand in a sock, maybe even hobble him by cracking both knees. His chastisement would be less severe than that of his religious instructor who would find it difficult to preach a sermon without a tongue, fingers, or toes (plus the requisite number of 7.62mm holes required to make him acquiescent for such treament).

 

 

[Stubbly_Dooright]

5 minutes ago, Jarocal said:

I confess that I would most likely have a short lifespan if karma had me born as a woman in an Islamic country. The first time my husband laid his hands on me i would wait till he fell asleep, sew the sheet to the matress, and then proceed to crack several of his ribs with wet sand in a sock, maybe even hobble him by cracking both knees. His chastisement would be less severe than that of his religious instructor who would find it difficult to preach a sermon without a tongue, fingers, or toes (plus the requisite number of 7.62mm holes required to make him acquiescent for such treament).

 

 

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