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Farmer77
Just now, Ellapennella said:

don't preach to me about the left and their lies.

 So now its a lie that black lives matter?  

Or wait are you saying the judge is "on the left"? 

No preaching here, just discussing the issues with you 

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ellapenella
3 minutes ago, Farmer77 said:

 So now its a lie that black lives matter?  

Or wait are you saying the judge is "on the left"? 

No preaching here, just discussing the issues with you 

people need to cut ties with groups that promote violence.

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Farmer77
2 minutes ago, Ellapennella said:

people need to cut ties with groups that promote violence.

So the whole movement should wither on the vine because of the actions of a few? 

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ellapenella

Why's it always  about race with the left or sex or something to divide people?  White people have been done wrong too, black's are not the only ones that happens to.

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ellapenella

The left are so ignorant of why we have to clamp down on things.

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aztek
2 hours ago, Manfred von Dreidecker said:

Does that mean you'll no longer be allowed to take them back and get a refund if they don't work properly? :angry: 

lol,  only if you return dowry as well.

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Space Commander Travis
1 hour ago, Farmer77 said:

 So now its a lie that black lives matter?  

Or wait are you saying the judge is "on the left"? 

No preaching here, just discussing the issues with you 

It would seem to look like he's grandstanding or presenting a political stance, wouldn't it. 

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Space Commander Travis

sorry farmer, the more I see of his approaches and his dealings with other countries in his brief time in office so far, the more and more sane he seems, even if he may say inappropriate things on twitter, and I think that's perhaps more important. F'rinstance, here's what he's reported to have said to P. Poroshenko, the hapless puppet stooge who was put in "power" in Ukraine by the Nuland/Power coup that the Obama administration oversaw, when he called him the other day begging for the US to protect him against Russian Aggression(TM)

The White House is reporting that Trump said to Poroshenko the following

We will work with Ukraine, Russia, and all other parties involved to help them restore peace along the border

I think that sounds like the words of someone sane, don 't you. I think I'd rather have someone who talks like that behind the Big Desk than the belligerent rantings of Clitnon, Power et al. (And certainly McCain.) Similarly his approach to Saudi Arabia; cutting off all ties and imposing immediate sanctions would land him in an even more complicated mess than O'bam got himself into, and it looks as though his approach of cooperating if it might achieve some results is surely likely to be immeasurably more productive than cutting off one's nose to spite one's face.

Now the only question remaining of course is Iran, which is the one area where I think his foreign policy does look unnecessarily aggressive; but who knows what the willingness to make a deal if you think it might be productive might lead to. It would probably be tied in to relations with Israel, nearly everything is, and it will be interesting to see what deals he can come to there. 

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Likely Guy
12 minutes ago, Manfred von Dreidecker said:

sorry farmer, the more I see of his approaches and his dealings with other countries in his brief time in office so far, the more and more sane he seems, even if he may say inappropriate things on twitter, and I think that's perhaps more important. F'rinstance, here's what he's reported to have said to P. Poroshenko, the hapless puppet stooge who was put in "power" in Ukraine by the Nuland/Power coup that the Obama administration oversaw, when he called him the other day begging for the US to protect him against Russian Aggression(TM)

The White House is reporting that Trump said to Poroshenko the following

We will work with Ukraine, Russia, and all other parties involved to help them restore peace along the border

*snip*

Which border? Putin's border or the original border?

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Farmer77
20 minutes ago, Manfred von Dreidecker said:

sorry farmer, the more I see of his approaches and his dealings with other countries in his brief time in office so far, the more and more sane he seems, even if he may say inappropriate things on twitter, and I think that's perhaps more important. F'rinstance, here's what he's reported to have said to P. Poroshenko, the hapless puppet stooge who was put in "power" in Ukraine by the Nuland/Power coup that the Obama administration oversaw, when he called him the other day begging for the US to protect him against Russian Aggression(TM)

The White House is reporting that Trump said to Poroshenko the following

We will work with Ukraine, Russia, and all other parties involved to help them restore peace along the border

I think that sounds like the words of someone sane, don 't you. I think I'd rather have someone who talks like that behind the Big Desk than the belligerent rantings of Clitnon, Power et al. (And certainly McCain.) Similarly his approach to Saudi Arabia; cutting off all ties and imposing immediate sanctions would land him in an even more complicated mess than O'bam got himself into, and it looks as though his approach of cooperating if it might achieve some results is surely likely to be immeasurably more productive than cutting off one's nose to spite one's face.

Now the only question remaining of course is Iran, which is the one area where I think his foreign policy does look unnecessarily aggressive; but who knows what the willingness to make a deal if you think it might be productive might lead to. It would probably be tied in to relations with Israel, nearly everything is, and it will be interesting to see what deals he can come to there. 

Man ive been on here since my 12 hour shift started 10.5 hours ago and ive managed to give away all my likes (200 apparently) for the day or I woulda dropped one on here for you. 

I dont necessarily think he's insane, I just think he's an untrustworthy scumbag. In his defense though, take away the party affiliation, take away the racism, take away the sexism , take away the dictatorial behavior in just two weeks in office, and I still wouldnt like him so its probably just me. 

What really makes me want to kick puppies is that I agree with you! I would rather (for now at least, lets reevaluate after the reichstag) have him in office than Clinton or Mccain. I think thats a crazy commentary about the state of our "leaders" in this nation. 

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AdealJustice

@Farmer77 How is Trump racist? Please provide the proper evidence. 2. How is he sexist? Please don't use the grab em by the pu**y example because it simply does not hold weight. Dictator? Time will tell. 

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Thorvir
11 minutes ago, AdealJustice said:

@Farmer77 How is Trump racist? Please provide the proper evidence. 2. How is he sexist? Please don't use the grab em by the pu**y example because it simply does not hold weight. Dictator? Time will tell. 

The same tired, old lies.  He's those things because it makes certain people feel good to label him those things, not because of any actual reality.

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Paranormal Panther
6 hours ago, Farmer77 said:

 So now its a lie that black lives matter?  

It must be a lie to some BLM rioters. If they cared about Black lives, they wouldn't damage and destroy Black stores and Black towns before they get bussed to the next paid protest. Their Soros bucks, not Black lives, matter to them. Riots speak louder than slogans.

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Paranormal Panther
2 hours ago, Likely Guy said:

Which border? Putin's border or the original border?

How far do you want to go back in time to find the original border? You know that the region has ethnic, as well as historical, ties to Russia.

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MWoo7

Like the last bits brought up in Manfred von Dreidecker's post. As some might say in the south regarding Iran, Well hopefully there isn't a can of worms opened up. Even if there is some unforeseen mistake, some mess up, its not the end of the world.   Its hard to keep 10 balls in the air, I mean anyone can screw up.

5 hours ago, Manfred von Dreidecker said:

Iran, which is the one area where I think his foreign policy does look unnecessarily aggressive; but who knows what the willingness to make a deal if you think it might be productive might lead to. It would probably be tied in to relations with Israel, nearly everything is, and it will be interesting to see what deals he can come to there.

 

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Yamato
11 hours ago, Ellapennella said:

people need to cut ties with groups that promote violence.

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Don't leave out the two-party monopoly then.   Is Donald Trump proposing executive action that strengthens third parties or weakens the bipartisan stranglehold that promotes so much violence?   If so, I'll call it meaningful reform and not just "play by the same rules Donald Trump style".   Until the day comes, I'll keep wasting my vote on the non-violent candidates.

 

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Space Commander Travis
7 hours ago, Paranormal Panther said:

How far do you want to go back in time to find the original border? You know that the region has ethnic, as well as historical, ties to Russia.

And that's the funny part of all this "P*tin is the Great Dictator because he Annexed Crimea". Crimea has always historically been part of Russia; it was when the Brits got out of their depth there in the mid 19th c. It only ended up as part of Ukraine when the USSR broke up because of some administrative adjustments that had happened in the 1950s. The people are overwhelmingly Russian, they'd often requested that the Crimea go back to Russia, and then when a hardline rightwing regime was put in power in Kiev (with no help whatsoever from the CIA and State Dept of course, because they'd never dream of interfering in other countries' internal affairs :innocent:), they overwhelmingly voted to break away from Ukraine, and this was ratified by the people who ratify these things, and since then support for Russia's Tyrant has been consistently over 90%. It really is very funny how supporters of democracy and self-determination don't seem to think it should apply to anyone who might want to join the current chosen enemy,. 

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Frank Merton
29 minutes ago, Manfred von Dreidecker said:

And that's the funny part of all this "P*tin is the Great Dictator because he Annexed Crimea". Crimea has always historically been part of Russia; it was when the Brits got out of their depth there in the mid 19th c. It only ended up as part of Ukraine when the USSR broke up because of some administrative adjustments that had happened in the 1950s. The people are overwhelmingly Russian, they'd often requested that the Crimea go back to Russia, and then when a hardline rightwing regime was put in power in Kiev (with no help whatsoever from the CIA and State Dept of course, because they'd never dream of interfering in other countries' internal affairs :innocent:), they overwhelmingly voted to break away from Ukraine, and this was ratified by the people who ratify these things, and since then support for Russia's Tyrant has been consistently over 90%. It really is very funny how supporters of democracy and self-determination don't seem to think it should apply to anyone who might want to join the current chosen enemy,. 

That is beside the point; it was legally part of Ukraine and Ukraine did not agree.  That made it an invasion.   As far as voting goes, the "vote" was a fraud -- something Putin is noted for arranging.

I would add that you can tell in countries like Russia when a vote is a fraud -- the results push 90%. No group of human beings ever has that level of agreement without some encouragement.

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Space Commander Travis

Yup, the people's wishes shouldn't have anything to do with it, the Sacred Principle that this particular patch of land should have this colour flag planted on it rather than that one, that's the only thing that matters, and it's worth risking Military conflict over. That's dictatorship right there.  

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Space Commander Travis

if you believe that the Tyrant ruthlessly invaded and is ruthlessly occupying against the wishes of the people, can you point to reports of the resistance to his dictatorial rule? Can you point to desperate messages smuggled out begging the world to free them of this tyrant? Why would Poot'n want to invade Ukraine and have to take on another vast country whose economy is a total basket case and which has a strong far right-wing element? Let alone why He'd want to invade Poland or Luthania. Or is it just that that's just the kind of thing He'd do, because that's what Tyrants always do? There's just no logic to this demonisation of Him. 

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cerberusxp

All the anti Trump people you must understand they have been psychologically enslaved and psychologically oppressed. Their masters can spew any lies they wish against anyone and they treat it as gospel. The plan by the old KGB 50 years ago has worked on these people and the real sad part is they don't even know they have been brainwashed. The question and answer to this problem is how do we develop a deprogramming solution!

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Sir Wearer of Hats
12 minutes ago, cerberusxp said:

All the anti Trump people you must understand they have been psychologically enslaved and psychologically oppressed. Their masters can spew any lies they against anyone and the treat it as gospel. The plan by the old KGB 50 years ago has worked on these people and the real sad part is they don't even know they have been brainwashed. The question and answer to this problem is how do we develop a deprogramming solution!

Fiddlesticks some of us are also iconoclasts who like to cut down tall poppies.

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cerberusxp
On 1/23/2017 at 5:41 AM, Lilly said:

From what I've seen lately those who do not favor a Marxist/Globalist agenda are very quickly labeled as racist, xenophobic, bigoted, sexist by the far progressive left. This is their main method of attacking the opposition actually. Even if one tries to reason with these folks and point out that their agenda will cause more people to suffer in the long run (people will become poorer, less jobs, weaker economy, increase of criminal and terrorist elements, more stress on social welfare programs) they simply refuse to listen.

I saw last night where some of the women in the recent protests were asked what rights they thought they didn't have...most could not answer. Those that did answer said they thought President Trump wants to 'take away' all their rights. Really? I'm just not seeing that. Even if one replaces Judge Anthony Scalia with another conservative the Supreme Court is still balanced in the same manner as before. Obama Care is to be replaced, not removed. The concept of stronger borders to keep out those who would do us harm seems more pro-woman. Lowering taxes on business will mean that business of all sizes can hire more workers (some will be women). I give it that President Trump was (perhaps even still is) a womanizer but that trait alone (can we all say, Clinton and Kennedy) does translate into removing the rights of women.

Ah yes the social justice warrior syndrome ( one who suffers from being psychologically entrapped ) unable to think for themselves.

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Frank Merton
41 minutes ago, cerberusxp said:

All the anti Trump people you must understand they have been psychologically enslaved and psychologically oppressed. Their masters can spew any lies they wish against anyone and they treat it as gospel. The plan by the old KGB 50 years ago has worked on these people and the real sad part is they don't even know they have been brainwashed. The question and answer to this problem is how do we develop a deprogramming solution!

This is entertaining.  It also speaks volumes about what sort of person you are.

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Farmer77
12 hours ago, AdealJustice said:

@Farmer77 How is Trump racist? Please provide the proper evidence. 2. How is he sexist? Please don't use the grab em by the pu**y example because it simply does not hold weight. Dictator? Time will tell. 

Well to be fair I think my description in another thread is the most accurate. He is at best offensive, at worst racist and sexist ....some examples:

I think the mexican judge was a decent example: The justice department sued his company twice for discriminatory renting practices.

He condoned violence against a BLM protester 

Here is a quote attributed to the Donald  from a 1991 book: (I know the author mustve been a time traveling Hillary supporter right?) “And isn’t it funny. I’ve got black accountants at Trump Castle and Trump Plaza. Black guys counting my money! I hate it,” O’Donnell recalled Trump saying. “The only kind of people I want counting my money are short guys that wear yarmulkes every day.”

 

Sorry but the grab em by the genitals comment is absolutely sexist and as disconcerting to me it was the kind of thing a bully would say and do (I hate bullies)

Here's another lovely quote from the man:

“I have days where, if I come home — and I don't want to sound too much like a chauvinist,” the Republican said, “but when I come home and dinner's not ready, I go through the roof.”

This one about breastfeeding is kind of a gem too:

Trump was in court testifying in a deposition over a failed Florida real estate project when lawyer Elizabeth Beck asked to take a break to breastfeed her three-month old daughter.

The property mogul and his team objected, so she pulled out her breast pump to prove it. In an incident that Trump "does not dispute", he walked out of the room, telling Beck she was "disgusting".

 

The above is not a comprehensive list. So you can choose to interpret the above as just being offensive and not actually racist or sexist if you like, hell I even kind of do. I think its much less a case of he actually dislikes any particular group and much more a case of he's a spoiled brat who has never had to get along in society like an average American. 

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