James Cameron finds 'evidence of Atlantis'

[Sir Wearer of Hats]

17 minutes ago, Jarocal said:

I listen to and consider such luminaries as the late Lloyd Pye, Graham Hancock, Robert Bauval, et al.

 That the consideration given their arguments is rather short before dismissing their conjectures as erroneous is an irrelevant sidenote.

  For an example, considering all the scorn and rejection Schoch has received from the Orthodox Academic Cabal he has done some vety excellent work on the geology in the Visoko region of Bosnia.

And he wasn't shunned for that geological study, but rather for his Stargate of the Cods business.

[Jarocal]

5 minutes ago, Hanslune said:

Yes but by their nature civilizations are incredibly 'messy' they leave an easy to see trail/evidence, etc. Even small cultures going back towards the period of time Plato assigned to Atlantis can be found - yet the LC remain without any trace.

Post-Diluvian cultures and Civilizations that led to our cutrent paradigm were and continue to be messy.

That does not preclude the possibilty of an advanced ante-diluvian (yes the same worldwide flood with scant evidence in favor of) civilization that utilized technologies and constructions which melded so well into their environment that we currently do not recognize the evidence which remains.

*giggle*

*giggle*

[back to earth]

You are drinking again, aren't you ? 

 

 

Edited February 3, 2017 by back to earth

[Jarocal]

20 minutes ago, Sir Wearer of Hats said:

And he wasn't shunned for that geological study, but rather for his Stargate of the Cods business.

Could you link to his Stargate of the gods papers?

Or are you reffering to his dating of the Sphinx where even Reader's rebuttal of Schoch's date pushes the construction date range prior to the fallacious Orthodox Egyptology timeline continued to be presented as true and the public consensus in a good ole boy network of Academic Oligarchy.

 

[Jarocal]

17 minutes ago, back to earth said:

You are drinking again, aren't you ? 

I am participating in a thread about psychic archaeology, why would anyone (other than a moderator) do that sober?

[back to earth]

Hmmmm ... makes sense ... apparently Blavatsky, as well as being a psychic archaeologist , constantly puffed on a hashish cigar . . . .   and drank . 

A lot of them psychics back then  (around the invention of psychic archaeology)  used laudanum .... now there is an 'interesting'  drink !  

 

http://www.victorianweb.org/victorian/science/addiction/addiction2.html

Edited February 3, 2017 by back to earth

[back to earth]

Its coming back man .....   ' Drank ' ;    sizzurp, lean, syrup, drank, barre, purps , purple jelly, purple drank,  Texas tea, dirty Sprite,  Tsikuni.

 

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Purple_drank

 

So, expect more 'psychic sciences' to make their appearance soon . 

[Hanslune]

1 hour ago, Jarocal said:

Post-Diluvian cultures and Civilizations that led to our cutrent paradigm were and continue to be messy.

That does not preclude the possibilty of an advanced ante-diluvian (yes the same worldwide flood with scant evidence in favor of) civilization that utilized technologies and constructions which melded so well into their environment that we currently do not recognize the evidence which remains.

*giggle*

*giggle*

Yes many years ago on another defunct forum I created the following list of how a civilization could remain undetected

How a civilization can remain undetected

1. have very few people - but this will tend to limit your technological advancement

2. don't make fires

3. don't make pottery or bake clay

4. don't modify the environment in any way

5. don't domesticate animals or plants

6. don't eat shell fish (the middens are easy to spot)

7. don't bury people, destroy bodies at death and disperse the bones - crush the teeth

8. absolutely no use of stone for tools, do not modify ivory, bone or shells either

9. never disturb the earth (by driving in a stake)

10. don't hunt animals and if you do widely disperse their remains

11. move constantly to avoid a build-up of waste, both human and food remains

12. don't live near a lake or other place where sediments, pollen and pollutants gather

There if you do all that you'll be fairly undetectable

The real killer is #5 without the food from agriculture you'd have real problems feeding a 'city'.

 

[Hanslune]

1 hour ago, Jarocal said:

I am participating in a thread about psychic archaeology, why would anyone (other than a moderator) do that sober?

I don't drink so I'm holding my breath and only typing after having held said for three minutes. Ther  er sp ar kles, moon glow......

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[qxcontinuum]

finding potential links to Atlantis in the Mediterranean sea makes sense. Greek civilization is extremely ancient having deep roots on the continent since the beginnings of modern humanity. Besides they have been the first ones reporting the existence of this sank continent. Geographically it is known that the waters of the Mediterranean sea have risen  some 6000 years ago crushing the shores of the  land invading today's black sea which before was just  a major lake. Ancient documents mentions about a massive flood in those lands with massive migration towards today's Iran & Iraq. This tribes may have been what has sparked speculations about Ariens. In the modern day in the middle of Black sea there is a remaining of an ancient land : called the Island of Snakes. The name snakes itself referees to the ancient symbol of knowledge/science and medicine. On this island Russians have expressed a major interest finding some fantastic ancient technological discoveries that they kept silence to these days.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk%3ASnake_Island_(Black_Sea)

 

"The legends seem to carry a grain of truth as the ruins of the famous temple dedicated to Achilles were found by captain Kritziky in 1823. Square in shape, with the side of 29.87 meters, the building is great. The temple dedicated to Achilles was erected east of the sanctuary. The architecture of the construction and of the other ruins found on the island is specific to the epoch called Cyclopean, resembling the masonry found in Thessaly and Thrace." [2]

[jaylemurph]

2 hours ago, back to earth said:

Wait for it .......   

 

Psychic History  !  

Now, see, /that/ I could professionally inveigh against. In loud, b****y terms.

17 minutes ago, qxcontinuum said:

finding potential links to Atlantis in the Mediterranean sea makes sense. Greek civilization is extremely ancient having deep roots on the continent since the beginnings of modern humanity. Besides they have been the first ones reporting the existence of this sank continent. Geographically it is known that the waters of the Mediterranean sea have risen  some 6000 years ago crushing the shores of the  land invading today's black sea which before was just  a major lake. Ancient documents mentions about a massive flood in those lands with massive migration towards today's Iran & Iraq. This tribes may have been what has sparked speculations about Ariens. In the modern day in the middle of Black sea there is a remaining of an ancient land : called the Island of Snakes. The name snakes itself referees to the ancient symbol of knowledge/science and medicine. On this island Russians have expressed a major interest finding some fantastic ancient technological discoveries that they kept silence to these days.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk%3ASnake_Island_(Black_Sea)

 

"The legends seem to carry a grain of truth as the ruins of the famous temple dedicated to Achilles were found by captain Kritziky in 1823. Square in shape, with the side of 29.87 meters, the building is great. The temple dedicated to Achilles was erected east of the sanctuary. The architecture of the construction and of the other ruins found on the island is specific to the epoch called Cyclopean, resembling the masonry found in Thessaly and Thrace." [2]

I guess I'd ask you to be a little more specific about your term "beginnings of modern humanity."

Greek, like all the other Indo-European languages is not aboriginal to Greece. There's some question as to the identity of the Minoan language, but most everyone concedes it's most likely also an IE language. Mycenean certainly is. So neither of the greatest ancient languages in Greece can claim any great age there; they go back only so far as the spread of IE culture there, perhaps the second or third millennium BCE. Certainly not so far back as 200,000 or so BCE, when (as I understand) modern humans -- homo sapiens sapiens -- came on the scene.Certainly, people were in Greece before the Greek language(s), but we have nothing -- nothing at all -- to show what they were thinking about, or what their stories might be.

--Jaylemurph 

[qxcontinuum]

7 minutes ago, jaylemurph said:

Now, see, /that/ I could professionally inveigh against. In loud, b****y terms.

I guess I'd ask you to be a little more specific about your term "beginnings of modern humanity."

Greek, like all the other Indo-European languages is not aboriginal to Greece. There's some question as to the identity of the Minoan language, but most everyone concedes it's most likely also an IE language. Mycenean certainly is. So neither of the greatest ancient languages in Greece can claim any great age there; they go back only so far as the spread of IE culture there, perhaps the second or third millennium BCE. Certainly not so far back as 200,000 or so BCE, when (as I understand) modern humans -- homo sapiens sapiens -- came on the scene.Certainly, people were in Greece before the Greek language(s), but we have nothing -- nothing at all -- to show what they were thinking about, or what their stories might be.

--Jaylemurph 

i was referring to the beginning of modern humanity as civilizations i think roughly 4,000 years bc

[jaylemurph]

54 minutes ago, qxcontinuum said:

i was referring to the beginning of modern humanity as civilizations i think roughly 4,000 years bc

Fair enough. Thank you for taking the time to clarify.

--Jaylemurph

[kmt_sesh]

2 hours ago, Jarocal said:

Could you link to his Stargate of the gods papers?

Or are you reffering to his dating of the Sphinx where even Reader's rebuttal of Schoch's date pushes the construction date range prior to the fallacious Orthodox Egyptology timeline continued to be presented as true and the public consensus in a good ole boy network of Academic Oligarchy.

 

Note that Sir Hats had written "Stargate of the Cods." This is Schoch's well-known hypothesis that a space-faring race of angry, super-advanced fish arrived on earth 10,000 years ago, enslaved the early people of Egypt, and forced them to carve and build all sorts of really big stone stuff.

Well, all right, I suppose even Schoch isn't that nutty. Probably.

2 hours ago, Jarocal said:

I am participating in a thread about psychic archaeology, why would anyone (other than a moderator) do that sober?

Sober? What makes you think we Mods are sober?

[Sir Wearer of Hats]

On 02/02/2017 at 6:47 AM, Manfred von Dreidecker said:

The other mystery is, where was Plato's Cave? 

Sir Sir!

I request permission to make "the joke". 

Plato's cave was in a certain town in Geeece that Alexander eshued. 

[kmt_sesh]

3 hours ago, Jarocal said:

Post-Diluvian cultures and Civilizations that led to our cutrent paradigm were and continue to be messy.

That does not preclude the possibilty of an advanced ante-diluvian (yes the same worldwide flood with scant evidence in favor of) civilization that utilized technologies and constructions which melded so well into their environment that we currently do not recognize the evidence which remains.

*giggle*

*giggle*

I hope this isn't taken the...um...wrong way, but I feel it needs to be said:

[Jarocal]

1 hour ago, Hanslune said:

Yes many years ago on another defunct forum I created the following list of how a civilization could remain undetected

How a civilization can remain undetected

 

1. have very few people - but this will tend to limit your technological advancement

 

2. don't make fires

 

3. don't make pottery or bake clay

 

4. don't modify the environment in any way

 

5. don't domesticate animals or plants

 

6. don't eat shell fish (the middens are easy to spot)

 

7. don't bury people, destroy bodies at death and disperse the bones - crush the teeth

 

8. absolutely no use of stone for tools, do not modify ivory, bone or shells either

 

9. never disturb the earth (by driving in a stake)

 

10. don't hunt animals and if you do widely disperse their remains

 

11. move constantly to avoid a build-up of waste, both human and food remains

 

12. don't live near a lake or other place where sediments, pollen and pollutants gather

 

There if you do all that you'll be fairly undetectable

 

 

The real killer is #5 without the food from agriculture you'd have real problems feeding a 'city'.

 

Some of those such as domesticating animals or agriculture would be contingent on our ability to recognize the evidence. A system of biomimicry could resemble resemble other systems without the anthropomorphic fingerprint. My (unevidenced) conjecture would be a similar system could have been in place at the time of preliminary construction at Gobekli Tepi.

Mycological cultures on growing mediums of ground bone, shells, pottery, and other organic material would allow the mycellium and millenia bteak them down into not easily recognizable particles.

[Jarocal]

5 minutes ago, kmt_sesh said:

I hope this isn't taken the...um...wrong way, but I feel it needs to be said:

Don't force me to incorporate geyers into their power systems...

[cormac mac airt]

1 hour ago, jaylemurph said:

Now, see, /that/ I could professionally inveigh against. In loud, b****y terms.

I guess I'd ask you to be a little more specific about your term "beginnings of modern humanity."

Greek, like all the other Indo-European languages is not aboriginal to Greece. There's some question as to the identity of the Minoan language, but most everyone concedes it's most likely also an IE language. Mycenean certainly is. So neither of the greatest ancient languages in Greece can claim any great age there; they go back only so far as the spread of IE culture there, perhaps the second or third millennium BCE. Certainly not so far back as 200,000 or so BCE, when (as I understand) modern humans -- homo sapiens sapiens -- came on the scene. Certainly, people were in Greece before the Greek language(s), but we have nothing -- nothing at all -- to show what they were thinking about, or what their stories might be.

--Jaylemurph 

Just a point or three/four of clarification here Jaylemurph, the genus Homo is currently evidenced as dating to circa 2.8 Mya while Homo sapiens (one "sapiens" also called "anatomically modern humans - AMH") dates to the above circa 200,000 BP you mention, then Homo sapiens idaltu circa 160,000 BP and finally Homo sapiens sapiens (us) exhibiting behavioral modernity circa 100,000 BP. 

cormac

[kmt_sesh]

3 minutes ago, Jarocal said:

Don't force me to incorporate geyers into their power systems...

By "their" do you mean the Atlanteans? But if course, who do you think the Egyptians learned geyser technology from?

See? I can play this game too. 

But now it seems I need the spanking.

[cormac mac airt]

5 minutes ago, Jarocal said:

Don't force me to incorporate geyers into their power systems...

To which the only thing left to say is "Thar she blows".  

cormac

[back to earth]

2 hours ago, Hanslune said:

Yes many years ago on another defunct forum I created the following list of how a civilization could remain undetected

How a civilization can remain undetected

 

1. have very few people - but this will tend to limit your technological advancement

 

2. don't make fires

 

3. don't make pottery or bake clay

 

4. don't modify the environment in any way

 

5. don't domesticate animals or plants

 

6. don't eat shell fish (the middens are easy to spot)

 

7. don't bury people, destroy bodies at death and disperse the bones - crush the teeth

 

8. absolutely no use of stone for tools, do not modify ivory, bone or shells either

 

9. never disturb the earth (by driving in a stake)

 

10. don't hunt animals and if you do widely disperse their remains

 

11. move constantly to avoid a build-up of waste, both human and food remains

 

12. don't live near a lake or other place where sediments, pollen and pollutants gather

 

There if you do all that you'll be fairly undetectable

 

 

The real killer is #5 without the food from agriculture you'd have real problems feeding a 'city'.

 

I know !   .... its     the dolphins 

 

[back to earth]

38 minutes ago, kmt_sesh said:

Note that Sir Hats had written "Stargate of the Cods." This is Schoch's well-known hypothesis that a space-faring race of angry, super-advanced fish arrived on earth 10,000 years ago, enslaved the early people of Egypt, and forced them to carve and build all sorts of really big stone stuff.

 

 

 

Told yas  .... its the dolphins alright ! 

[Sir Wearer of Hats]

23 minutes ago, Jarocal said:

Don't force me to incorporate geyers into their power systems...

Psychic Crystal Geysers.

[back to earth]

2 hours ago, qxcontinuum said:

finding potential links to Atlantis in the Mediterranean sea makes sense. Greek civilization is extremely ancient having deep roots on the continent since the beginnings of modern humanity.

Hmmmm .... I had a conversation elsewhere with some 'studious' Vedantists on the origins of 'Greeks' and them being one of the very early split off Aryan tribes. very interesting conversation .  Also mythological and symbolic connections between Greek practices and Zoroastrianism. 

2 hours ago, qxcontinuum said:

 

Besides they have been the first ones reporting the existence of this sank continent. Geographically it is known that the waters of the Mediterranean sea have risen  some 6000 years ago crushing the shores of the  land invading today's black sea which before was just  a major lake. Ancient documents mentions about a massive flood in those lands with massive migration towards today's Iran & Iraq.

Massive migration from where to Iran ?  The 'Aryan influence' into Iran seems to have come from Central Asia .  According to non historical sources  ( Vedas, Avestas, and 'myth' - the epics  like Shahmeneh  and The Bundahishn )  a combination of a big chill period , a thawing ( and possibly associated  floods ) and then a long drying period ( continuing to present ) .   

Not   much western archaeology  has been done in the area pre 1970s  ( the Russians did some ) , now terrain and war zones make it very difficult . 

' Lost ' civilisations  ?    ....   !  The Vendidad lists    16 of them  .   

some very interesting archaeology in the area ;

 

http://discovermagazine.com/2006/nov/ancient-towns-excavated-turkmenistan

 

2 hours ago, qxcontinuum said:

 

This tribes may have been what has sparked speculations about Ariens.

What do you mean?     Aryans ?   

If so  what speculations about them ?   Or did you mean  speculations that there were Aryans ?  

2 hours ago, qxcontinuum said:

 

In the modern day in the middle of Black sea there is a remaining of an ancient land : called the Island of Snakes. The name snakes itself referees to the ancient symbol of knowledge/science and medicine. On this island Russians have expressed a major interest finding some fantastic ancient technological discoveries that they kept silence to these days.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk%3ASnake_Island_(Black_Sea)

 

"The legends seem to carry a grain of truth as the ruins of the famous temple dedicated to Achilles were found by captain Kritziky in 1823. Square in shape, with the side of 29.87 meters, the building is great. The temple dedicated to Achilles was erected east of the sanctuary. The architecture of the construction and of the other ruins found on the island is specific to the epoch called Cyclopean, resembling the masonry found in Thessaly and Thrace." [2]

Capt. Kritziky  is just Capt Kirk in Russian . 

But , seriously, ( I havent checked the link yet , but  ZHI site has some interesting info on it . 

http://heritageinstitute.com/zoroastrianism/olympicflame/index.htm

(and 'further  and related reading' links at bottom of page )