jaylemurph Posted February 2, 2017 #76 Share Posted February 2, 2017 4 hours ago, papageorge1 said: To the expected criticism here, I will say that I listen to psychic archeology too. I myself am a big fan of fiction, too. --Jaylemurph 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cormac mac airt Posted February 2, 2017 #77 Share Posted February 2, 2017 1 hour ago, Swede said: Grin! It would appear that Papageorge1 may have missed your graphically represented sarcasm. . I was thinking Jarocal has a new follower, whether he wants him or not. cormac 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jarjarbinks Posted February 2, 2017 #78 Share Posted February 2, 2017 Atlantis or not, if this story is true, that's a great find, like changing our timeline about human navigation history 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenemet Posted February 2, 2017 #79 Share Posted February 2, 2017 9 hours ago, ExpandMyMind said: Well it is evidence of an advaced sailing society that could fit with the timeline and region of the myth. It's closer to evidence of Atlantis than anything else discovered (which wouldn't take much). The timeline here is 2000 BC. This was long after the first ships in Egypt and many other places and somewhat closer to the time of the Sea People. They ha 'advanced sailing societies' all over the world by that time. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
back to earth Posted February 2, 2017 #80 Share Posted February 2, 2017 1 hour ago, jaylemurph said: I myself am a big fan of fiction, too. --Jaylemurph I also hear you are big fan of ham ? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorvir Posted February 2, 2017 #81 Share Posted February 2, 2017 9 hours ago, papageorge1 said: Yeah, I guess I'll get more excited if further searching does turn up something really interesting (but not before). The theory of Atlantis that most intrigues me is the more ancient and advanced civilization idea. Multiple psychic sources have talked of this in considerable detail. Desperate psychic sources seem to be saying the same things. That intrigues me. There isn't a "theory" of Atlantis. It's a fictional construct created by Plato in a story he made up. Why is it so hard for anyone to understand that? There are no psychic sources involved, there isn't any detail, anyone claim they can "see" Atlantis is lying. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorvir Posted February 2, 2017 #82 Share Posted February 2, 2017 3 hours ago, Swede said: However, you have yet to provide credible evidence. On any level. The onus now lies upon you to provide such and validate the "concept" of "psychic archaeology".. And he won't. That's his "thing" here in these forums. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
back to earth Posted February 2, 2017 #83 Share Posted February 2, 2017 (edited) 2 hours ago, papageorge1 said: You are presenting one point of view on a very controversial subject, and speaking as an authority, right? Wrong, go back and read what I did say . 2 hours ago, papageorge1 said: I read Plato. Great ! Then yo u can quote the section where the Atlantians bring advanced technology and civilisation to the rest of the world .... go right ahead .... Edited February 2, 2017 by back to earth 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golden Duck Posted February 2, 2017 #84 Share Posted February 2, 2017 2 hours ago, back to earth said: he wont respond to this or any comments and info like it ....... I mean , he cant respond to every ' cawing of the crows' ..... ...... especially when such 'cawing' totally rips his case right open and sinks it ! He could stop the cawing by eating 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
back to earth Posted February 2, 2017 #85 Share Posted February 2, 2017 2 hours ago, papageorge1 said: Nope, I've read many sources that have discussed Atlantis. And yes, they may well have been a more advanced race. These other sources were independent of Plato's understanding. Oh really ? and what were those sources sources , if not Plato ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
back to earth Posted February 2, 2017 #86 Share Posted February 2, 2017 2 hours ago, Noteverythingisaconspiracy said: You do know that Plato is the only source there is for Atlantis ? Every story about Atlantis is somehow inspired by Plato's original story. I trust you also know that Plato's original story was a literary device, not an actual recounting of a historical place ? People in his own time knew this and it wasn't really until the 19th century that people somehow didn't understand this anymore. Really ? How coincidental ! Thats the time they invented psychic archaeology ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
back to earth Posted February 2, 2017 #87 Share Posted February 2, 2017 1 hour ago, Gecks said: Yup, bimini II as I like to call it. It links to the 1st Bimini road through the hollow earth and its geographical location lines up across the globe with the pyramids. It must be true because Nur-ab-sal says so Did you find it via psychic archaeology ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaylemurph Posted February 2, 2017 #88 Share Posted February 2, 2017 1 minute ago, back to earth said: Oh really ? and what were those sources sources , if not Plato ? Well, there's Made-Up Source No. 1, Lying "Psychic" Nos. 256-37,899, Criminal Con-men 23,666 to 575,771, and the all of the members of the Easily Led Brigade who pay homage to the first folks. --Jaylemurph 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
back to earth Posted February 2, 2017 #89 Share Posted February 2, 2017 (edited) 1 hour ago, cormac mac airt said: I was thinking Jarocal has a new follower, whether he wants him or not. cormac Just a hint of believerism will do it ! Edited February 2, 2017 by back to earth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kmt_sesh Posted February 2, 2017 #90 Share Posted February 2, 2017 6 hours ago, papageorge1 said: To the expected criticism here, I will say that I listen to psychic archeology too. Now you're inventing terms. Or someone you've read is. There is simply no such thing as "psychic archaeology." Rest assured, when you slam silly modifiers in front of respected scientific fields, it refers to something not respectable. You are free to believe in psychic phenomena. No real harm in that. But it cannot, hasn't, and does not contribute valued information to archaeology. If you believe otherwise, please provide a link to a source in which the psychic approach has contributed legitimately to archaeology. The only possible known example I can think of is Omm Sety at Abydos, and that by itself is questionable. I'd have to imagine you're thinking of Edgar Cayce. No proponent of "psychically inspired visions" has built more on the myth of Atlantis than Edgar Cayce. And yet, not one of his Atlantis "visions" has proved to be anything close to correct. Now, today of course there are all sorts of woo-writers on the internet who slap up half-baked web pages, but I'm not aware of any who've contributed to our knowledge base on Plato's story. If you feel otherwise, please link to some sources instead of just vaguely mentioning them. That harms your credibility. And without a doubt, Plato is the source for the allegorical tale of Atlantis as we know of it today. Any legitimate search for the city is required to follow the details of his story, because Plato is the one who fashioned it. Writers of late antiquity who embellished on the tale were merely parroting Plato. And today's woo writers (New Age Atlantis proponents) have added nothing of value. What did Plato write, and where is the physical, tangible, testable evidence to support his tale? That's ultimately all that matters. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kmt_sesh Posted February 2, 2017 #91 Share Posted February 2, 2017 3 hours ago, papageorge1 said: You are presenting one point of view on a very controversial subject, and speaking as an authority, right? I read Plato. Anyone can read Plato. That's a far cry different from understanding Plato's motivations to write. The tale of Atlantis is a good example. Was Plato an historian? No. Was he interested in recording histories? No. So why write such an elaborate dialog? Something politically motivated, perhaps? Of course. And that's what makes his allegorical construct so clever. It's not an historical narrative. It's a cautionary tale of hubris, the sort of thing ancient educated Greeks loved to write, read, and hear. What traumatic events had Plato's beloved city of Athens recently suffered? How had it risen to such great heights and then plummeted to abject failure? This story—one of my own favorite historical events—was an actual historical event. And understanding it will help you to understand why Plato concocted Atlantis. It's really as simple as that. New Age whimsy and "psychic archaeology" won't get you anywhere. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
back to earth Posted February 2, 2017 #92 Share Posted February 2, 2017 Well , there is such a thing as Psychic Archaeology Mr Mummy ..... is a thing now ( thats what those crazy kids say nowadays ) .... thats why I pre-empted the finding the Abbey thing in that post back there number something ... and the quote and link . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kmt_sesh Posted February 2, 2017 #93 Share Posted February 2, 2017 4 minutes ago, back to earth said: Well , there is such a thing as Psychic Archaeology Mr Mummy ..... is a thing now ( thats what those crazy kids say nowadays ) .... thats why I pre-empted the finding the Abbey thing in that post back there number something ... and the quote and link . I missed that post. But "cult archaeology" is a thing, so is "pseudo-archaeology," "junk archaeology," "fringe archaeology," and the like. They're just labels. That doesn't make them legitimate fields of study...which is why they must wear modifiers. The only real archaeology is Indiana Jones. You know that, my good sir. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papageorge1 Posted February 2, 2017 #94 Share Posted February 2, 2017 3 hours ago, Noteverythingisaconspiracy said: You do know that Plato is the only source there is for Atlantis ? No, I have heard about Atlantis from many sources unrelated to Plato. 3 hours ago, Noteverythingisaconspiracy said: You do know that Plato is the only source there is for Atlantis ? No, many more recent sources are independent of Plato's account. 4 hours ago, Noteverythingisaconspiracy said: I trust you also know that Plato's original story was a literary device, not an actual recounting of a historical place ? I know that there are differences of opinion on that question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papageorge1 Posted February 2, 2017 #95 Share Posted February 2, 2017 4 hours ago, Noteverythingisaconspiracy said: If you can't validate it, why do you consider it valid ? If you read my posts, I only consider it intriguing and that I am interested by psychic archeology, you don't find me making a decision on validity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golden Duck Posted February 2, 2017 #96 Share Posted February 2, 2017 47 minutes ago, kmt_sesh said: I missed that post. But "cult archaeology" is a thing, so is "pseudo-archaeology," "junk archaeology," "fringe archaeology," and the like. They're just labels. That doesn't make them legitimate fields of study...which is why they must wear modifiers. The only real archaeology is Indiana Jones. You know that, my good sir. What of Dr Daniel Jackson? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papageorge1 Posted February 2, 2017 #97 Share Posted February 2, 2017 2 hours ago, Thorvir said: There isn't a "theory" of Atlantis. It's a fictional construct created by Plato in a story he made up. Why is it so hard for anyone to understand that? There are no psychic sources involved, there isn't any detail, anyone claim they can "see" Atlantis is lying. There definitely are psychic sources independent of Plato purporting knowledge of Atlantis. That is a fact. It is you personal opinion that they are lying, definitely not mine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papageorge1 Posted February 2, 2017 #98 Share Posted February 2, 2017 2 hours ago, back to earth said: Wrong, go back and read what I did say . Great ! Then yo u can quote the section where the Atlantians bring advanced technology and civilisation to the rest of the world .... go right ahead .... Err...where did I come off as claiming Plato's account supported Atlantians bringing advanced technology and civilization to the rest of the world ??.... That aspect is claimed by other sources. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papageorge1 Posted February 2, 2017 #99 Share Posted February 2, 2017 2 hours ago, back to earth said: Oh really ? and what were those sources sources , if not Plato ? A significant list of more modern sources claiming psychic insight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papageorge1 Posted February 2, 2017 #100 Share Posted February 2, 2017 1 hour ago, kmt_sesh said: Now you're inventing terms. Or someone you've read is. There is simply no such thing as "psychic archaeology." Rest assured, when you slam silly modifiers in front of respected scientific fields, it refers to something not respectable. You are free to believe in psychic phenomena. No real harm in that. But it cannot, hasn't, and does not contribute valued information to archaeology. If you believe otherwise, please provide a link to a source in which the psychic approach has contributed legitimately to archaeology. The only possible known example I can think of is Omm Sety at Abydos, and that by itself is questionable. I'd have to imagine you're thinking of Edgar Cayce. No proponent of "psychically inspired visions" has built more on the myth of Atlantis than Edgar Cayce. And yet, not one of his Atlantis "visions" has proved to be anything close to correct. Now, today of course there are all sorts of woo-writers on the internet who slap up half-baked web pages, but I'm not aware of any who've contributed to our knowledge base on Plato's story. If you feel otherwise, please link to some sources instead of just vaguely mentioning them. That harms your credibility. And without a doubt, Plato is the source for the allegorical tale of Atlantis as we know of it today. Any legitimate search for the city is required to follow the details of his story, because Plato is the one who fashioned it. Writers of late antiquity who embellished on the tale were merely parroting Plato. And today's woo writers (New Age Atlantis proponents) have added nothing of value. What did Plato write, and where is the physical, tangible, testable evidence to support his tale? That's ultimately all that matters. I am intrigued myself by how various disparate psychic sources say such similar things. It makes me wonder and suspect something very interesting is indeed involved here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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