James Cameron finds 'evidence of Atlantis'

[papageorge1]

1 hour ago, kmt_sesh said:

Anyone can read Plato. That's a far cry different from understanding Plato's motivations to write. The tale of Atlantis is a good example. Was Plato an historian? No. Was he interested in recording histories? No. So why write such an elaborate dialog? Something politically motivated, perhaps? Of course. And that's what makes his allegorical construct so clever. It's not an historical narrative. It's a cautionary tale of hubris, the sort of thing ancient educated Greeks loved to write, read, and hear.

What traumatic events had Plato's beloved city of Athens recently suffered? How had it risen to such great heights and then plummeted to abject failure? This story—one of my own favorite historical events—was an actual historical event. And understanding it will help you to understand why Plato concocted Atlantis. It's really as simple as that.

New Age whimsy and "psychic archaeology" won't get you anywhere.

Well, you are presenting one point of view about Plato's account. And also as I said already, these disparate sources saying such similar things makes me question your position.

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23 minutes ago, papageorge1 said:

Err...where did I come off as claiming Plato's account supported Atlantians bringing advanced technology and civilization to the rest of the world ??.... That aspect is claimed by other sources.

Errrrrr  in post 52  ... plain as day !   

What ... trying to backpeddle now ?   Do I need to quote it ?  (and at this stage , that post is unedited ) 

[Sir Wearer of Hats]

26 minutes ago, Golden Duck said:

What of Dr Daniel Jackson?

He's an anthropologist.

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23 minutes ago, papageorge1 said:

A significant list of more modern sources claiming psychic insight.

 

Ahhhh  ....      Psychic Philosophy now is it ?  

 

[papageorge1]

1 minute ago, back to earth said:

Errrrrr  in post 52  ... plain as day !   

What ... trying to backpeddle now ?   Do I need to quote it ?  (and at this stage , that post is unedited ) 

I looked at 52 and it doesn't talk about bringing the civilization anywhere,

[Sir Wearer of Hats]

11 minutes ago, papageorge1 said:

I am intrigued myself by how various disparate psychic sources say such similar things. It makes me wonder and suspect something very interesting is indeed involved here.

Yet you've spectacularly avoided citing either the psychics or their evidence. 

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1 hour ago, kmt_sesh said:

I missed that post. But "cult archaeology" is a thing, so is "pseudo-archaeology," "junk archaeology," "fringe archaeology," and the like. They're just labels. That doesn't make them legitimate fields of study...which is why they must wear modifiers.

The only real archaeology is Indiana Jones. You know that, my good sir.

'Materialist scientific conspiracy archaeology '   .... is a thing now         

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1 hour ago, kmt_sesh said:

I missed that post. But "cult archaeology" is a thing, so is "pseudo-archaeology," "junk archaeology," "fringe archaeology," and the like. They're just labels. That doesn't make them legitimate fields of study...which is why they must wear modifiers.

The only real archaeology is Indiana Jones. You know that, my good sir.

Now look what you done ... I got a sticky  !    

[papageorge1]

1 minute ago, Sir Wearer of Hats said:

Yet you've spectacularly avoided citing either the psychics or their evidence. 

Correct. That would be a massive undertaking in itself as the volume is extensive.

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21 minutes ago, papageorge1 said:

I am intrigued myself by how various disparate psychic sources say such similar things. It makes me wonder and suspect something very interesting is indeed involved here.

 

I am not surprised that it intrigues you .   Since they all copied each other, as evidenced by their timescale of 'revelation' , I suppose that idea won't intrigue you, make you wonder or suspect anything .....    hmmmmmmm  ? 

[Sir Wearer of Hats]

3 minutes ago, papageorge1 said:

Correct. That would be a massive undertaking in itself as the volume is extensive.

Name THREE. 

Three psychics and three things they agree upon.

[papageorge1]

2 minutes ago, back to earth said:

 

  Since they all copied each other,

That part is just a convenient guess on your part with no support.

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6 minutes ago, papageorge1 said:

That part is just a convenient guess on your part with no support.

and the sequential  publishing dates which indicate it are a  convenient guess too  ? 

[papageorge1]

Just now, back to earth said:

and the sequential  publishing dates which indicate it are a  convenient guess too  ? 

Perhaps just different publishing dates ??? How could they be the same ????

[Golden Duck]

13 minutes ago, Sir Wearer of Hats said:

He's an anthropologist.

What?  You mean I can't trust Wikipedia or Fandom?

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Maybe they saw it on the astral ?  

I had a look and all I saw was  a Darth Vader bagpipe playing Scotsman on a unicycle 

New  Age Atlantis is     ......      

.....    a thing now  . 

 

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Astralpedia 

[Hanslune]

2 hours ago, kmt_sesh said:

There is simply no such thing as "psychic archaeology." Rest assured, when you slam silly modifiers in front of respected scientific fields, it refers to something not respectable.

I'd like to  introduce Real Quantum Trumpery New Age NEWLY reformulated Archaeology with a pickle. Its the best form and type of Archaeology.

 

...and it goes well with cheese!

Edited February 2, 2017 by Hanslune

[Space Commander Travis]

12 hours ago, Hanslune said:

Atlantis from Plato's story had a technology equal to Athens - with a specialization in massive construction programs - using the means of what Athens had too - ie they worked really hard and had the time and population to devout to doing a lot of digging and building.

and slaves.

[Sir Wearer of Hats]

3 hours ago, Golden Duck said:

What?  You mean I can't trust Wikipedia or Fandom?

If you watch the show, his knowledge base is less "digging stuff up" based and more "culture" based. 

[Jarocal]

6 hours ago, kmt_sesh said:

Now you're inventing terms. Or someone you've read is. There is simply no such thing as "psychic archaeology." Rest assured, when you slam silly modifiers in front of respected scientific fields, it refers to something not respectable.

You are free to believe in psychic phenomena. No real harm in that. But it cannot, hasn't, and does not contribute valued information to archaeology. If you believe otherwise, please provide a link to a source in which the psychic approach has contributed legitimately to archaeology. The only possible known example I can think of is Omm Sety at Abydos, and that by itself is questionable.

I'd have to imagine you're thinking of Edgar Cayce. No proponent of "psychically inspired visions" has built more on the myth of Atlantis than Edgar Cayce. And yet, not one of his Atlantis "visions" has proved to be anything close to correct. Now, today of course there are all sorts of woo-writers on the internet who slap up half-baked web pages, but I'm not aware of any who've contributed to our knowledge base on Plato's story. If you feel otherwise, please link to some sources instead of just vaguely mentioning them. That harms your credibility.

And without a doubt, Plato is the source for the allegorical tale of Atlantis as we know of it today. Any legitimate search for the city is required to follow the details of his story, because Plato is the one who fashioned it. Writers of late antiquity who embellished on the tale were merely parroting Plato. And today's woo writers (New Age Atlantis proponents) have added nothing of value. What did Plato write, and where is the physical, tangible, testable evidence to support his tale? That's ultimately all that matters.

All new paradigm shifting fields in Academic science are rebuffed and resisted by the Orthodox Cabal. Less than 100 years ago such things as Female Scientists and Statistics were considered Dangerous New Age fads by heads of institutions like the Smithsonian.

 The Cabal is also versed in omitting potential evidence in favor of the opposing view as evidenced by Hrdslicka's presentation at a Symposium in Philadelphia on human antiquity in the Americas after the discovery of lithic items firmly placed prior to the then orthodoxy approved timeline for Migration into North America.

 Skip forward in time to the respected Betty J Meggers and the ludicrous "law of environmental constraint" she attempted to quantify. She spent decades promoting it by citing low modern population levels and specific indigenous agricultural methods employed in Amazonia with an incomplete understanding and projection of the actual anthropomorphic nature of the rainforest, minimized view of the complexity of the historically diverse indigenous diet, and a complete dismissal of the early colonial accounts which contradict her postulations.

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5 hours ago, papageorge1 said:

No, I have heard about Atlantis from many sources unrelated to Plato.

No, many more recent sources are independent of Plato's account.

If the sources are more recent than Plato how do you know that they aren't inspired by Plato ?

Maybe you could come up with a source that pre-dates Plato ? 

5 hours ago, papageorge1 said:

I know that there are differences of opinion on that question.

Only by people that doesn't understand the context of Plato's dialogues or people who uses them to push their own ideas.

As Kmt_sesh said there is a difference between having read Platos story and actually understanding it.

 

On a personal for a while when I was a teenager I did believe that Atlantis existed. I got that idea from a book by Charles Berlitz, but after I started to do a little further digging into it I came to see that all of the "evidence" he represented was either lies or misinterpretations. This was back in those primitive times before the internet so I actually had to do some real reading in something called books. (Yes I am that old )

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5 hours ago, papageorge1 said:

If you read my posts, I only consider it intriguing and that I am interested by psychic archeology, you don't find me making a decision on validity.

So essentially you believe in those psychics because they tell you something that you allready believe is true ?

If there was a psychic that told you that Atlatis was a literary device used by Plato would you belive that too ?

[Jarocal]

6 hours ago, kmt_sesh said:

I missed that post. But "cult archaeology" is a thing, so is "pseudo-archaeology," "junk archaeology," "fringe archaeology," and the like. They're just labels. That doesn't make them legitimate fields of study...which is why they must wear modifiers.

The only real archaeology is Indiana Jones. You know that, my good sir.

The descriptions are required to differentiate pioneering branches from the Orthodox Cabal and their lockstep minions which actively supress any evidence or view that threatens the often myopic narratives they cling to.

[Jarocal]

11 hours ago, Swede said:

Grin! It would appear that Papageorge1 may have missed your graphically represented sarcasm.

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 If I possessed the eloquence with communication as you do sir, perhaps I may have etched out a career putting words to paper rather than one requiring utilization of heavy blunt objects being struck on rocks and stacking those in a pile.

 Being a simple minded, undereducated person I struggle to comprehend some areas such as the paranormal, the psychic phenomena, and advanced ancient technology which disappears without a trace. Instead my feeble mind reverts to examining solutions I may employ with skills and attributes I posses...