Carnoferox Posted February 2, 2017 #151 Share Posted February 2, 2017 (edited) 1 minute ago, papageorge1 said: The ostrich/sand image comes to mind here. Yet you refuse to even provide a single (1) source that would support your case, no matter how many people have asked you to. Hypocrisy? Edited February 2, 2017 by Carnoferox 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papageorge1 Posted February 2, 2017 #152 Share Posted February 2, 2017 Just now, Carnoferox said: Yet you refuse to even provide a single (1) source that would support your case, no matter how many people have asked you to. A single source can not show disparate sources saying similar things now can it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carnoferox Posted February 2, 2017 #153 Share Posted February 2, 2017 (edited) 1 minute ago, papageorge1 said: A single source can not show disparate sources saying similar things now can it? But it would still support your case in some way. Could you give just 1? Or will you keep your head in the sand? Edited February 2, 2017 by Carnoferox 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badeskov Posted February 2, 2017 #154 Share Posted February 2, 2017 11 minutes ago, papageorge1 said: The ostrich/sand image comes to mind here. It does indeed as you seem utterly unable to provide the claimed evidence. Cheers, Badeskov 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toast Posted February 2, 2017 #155 Share Posted February 2, 2017 1 hour ago, papageorge1 said: ... and esoteric book shops ... Yeah, the centers of absolute competence. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parsec Posted February 2, 2017 #156 Share Posted February 2, 2017 18 hours ago, back to earth said: [...] The advanced civilisation story came from people like Francis Bacon, Ignatius L. Donnelly and every woo woo since then that added to it according to their fantasies. .... I mean their 'psychic archaeological research ' . Its actually part of western racist ideas about history and human development . . . . if you actually look into some things and just dont take on any new age woo that seems to please you. Sorry, which Francis Bacon was a woo woo? This one? Just to understand. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kmt_sesh Posted February 2, 2017 #157 Share Posted February 2, 2017 13 hours ago, papageorge1 said: Well, you are presenting one point of view about Plato's account. And also as I said already, these disparate sources saying such similar things makes me question your position. You are free to question my argument, but you've done nothing to repute it. Mine is the academic stance based on thirty-plus years of researching and studying source material and peer-reviewed literature. Yours is the paranormal. And the paranormal sources wildly parrot one another, as everyone knows. They all go back to woo-writers and conmen like Cayce...as everyone also knows. Where is their peer-reviewed, published research? Without that their input holds no value. You don't seem terribly familiar with Plato or with the dialogs in which Atlantis is presented, so other than New Age sources, what is your foundation? Because New Age sources on their own are not adequate. 12 hours ago, papageorge1 said: Correct. That would be a massive undertaking in itself as the volume is extensive. Sometimes these statements of yours border on trolling. Not quite, but close. Many posters ask you for sources, and you chronically avoid the issue. If you can't provide one or two or three sources when asked, why involve yourself in such discussions? It's gotten really old. 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parsec Posted February 2, 2017 #158 Share Posted February 2, 2017 Although it would be really cool if a real Atlantis (with advanced civilisation/flying machines/aliens/whatever included) existed, I don't think it's more real than Thomas Moore's Utopia or Tommaso Campanella's City of the Sun. Maybe the only difference is that it is so far in time that it got a bit "lost" or it became itself mythos. Or maybe it's the fact that he wrote a "too good not to be true" allegory (that was also quite detrimental to the real message he wanted to convey through his dialogs). 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kmt_sesh Posted February 2, 2017 #159 Share Posted February 2, 2017 13 hours ago, Golden Duck said: What of Dr Daniel Jackson? Okay, him too. He's not really an archaeologist but he seems to know all languages from all ancient civilizations and everything about their rituals and cultures, so that's just cool. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
back to earth Posted February 2, 2017 #160 Share Posted February 2, 2017 8 hours ago, Noteverythingisaconspiracy said: So essentially you believe in those psychics because they tell you something that you allready believe is true ? If there was a psychic that told you that Atlatis was a literary device used by Plato would you belive that too ? he admits there are some fake psychics about, 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papageorge1 Posted February 2, 2017 #161 Share Posted February 2, 2017 1 hour ago, Carnoferox said: Yet you refuse to even provide a single (1) source that would support your case, no matter how many people have asked you to. Hypocrisy? Atlantis Psychic Source 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toast Posted February 2, 2017 #162 Share Posted February 2, 2017 2 minutes ago, papageorge1 said: Atlantis Psychic Source Quote Greetings Masters, I am Archangel Metatron, Lord of Light! I greet you all in a vector of unconditional love! Ok. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papageorge1 Posted February 2, 2017 #163 Share Posted February 2, 2017 17 minutes ago, kmt_sesh said: You are free to question my argument, but you've done nothing to repute it. Mine is the academic stance based on thirty-plus years of researching and studying source material and peer-reviewed literature. Yours is the paranormal. And the paranormal sources wildly parrot one another, as everyone knows. They all go back to woo-writers and conmen like Cayce...as everyone also knows. Where is their peer-reviewed, published research? Without that their input holds no value. You don't seem terribly familiar with Plato or with the dialogs in which Atlantis is presented, so other than New Age sources, what is your foundation? Because New Age sources on their own are not adequate. Sometimes these statements of yours border on trolling. Not quite, but close. Many posters ask you for sources, and you chronically avoid the issue. If you can't provide one or two or three sources when asked, why involve yourself in such discussions? It's gotten really old. You will, I take it, accept no psychic sources but I just presented one in my above post anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Essan Posted February 2, 2017 #164 Share Posted February 2, 2017 We should be clear: evidence and proof are not the same thing. There may be evidence of a culture or location or event(s) that may have influenced Plato when writing his story. It would be difficult without speaking to him though to know for sure. We cant prove it. Anything post-Plato, especially from recent times, is evidence only that people were influenced by Plato and/or beleved it to be a true historic account. Just like Prisoner of Azkaban was. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kmt_sesh Posted February 2, 2017 #165 Share Posted February 2, 2017 1 minute ago, papageorge1 said: You will, I take it, accept no psychic sources but I just presented one in my above post anyway. I appreciate the source. This is what we ask for, so we can assess where you're getting your information. I'm tight on time so was able to read only the first paragraph. I'll try to give it more attention later, but what I've read seems more like a story than any sort of real historical assessment. Archangel Metatron? Really? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papageorge1 Posted February 2, 2017 #166 Share Posted February 2, 2017 2 minutes ago, toast said: Ok. Edgar Cayce is more down to earth but he is already known as a believer in Atlantis. I wanted to stretch minds on what is out there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
back to earth Posted February 2, 2017 #167 Share Posted February 2, 2017 7 hours ago, Jarocal said: If I possessed the eloquence with communication as you do sir, perhaps I may have etched out a career putting words to paper rather than one requiring utilization of heavy blunt objects being struck on rocks and stacking those in a pile. Being a simple minded, undereducated person I struggle to comprehend some areas such as the paranormal, the psychic phenomena, and advanced ancient technology which disappears without a trace. Instead my feeble mind reverts to examining solutions I may employ with skills and attributes I posses... Maybe the ' then it was there but now its gone, no traces left archaeology ' solution is psychic too , Maybe Papa has a solution to that as he offered in the 'Where does Bigfoot sleep' thread , BF and ancient advanced civilisations (that dont go anywhere) are .... 'Interdimensional' Bigfoot slips off interdimensionally for a nap ..... just like ' then it was there but now its gone, no traces left ' archaeology . 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carnoferox Posted February 2, 2017 #168 Share Posted February 2, 2017 10 minutes ago, papageorge1 said: Atlantis Psychic Source Finally! A SOURCE! This is a joyous day indeed! 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papageorge1 Posted February 2, 2017 #169 Share Posted February 2, 2017 1 minute ago, kmt_sesh said: I appreciate the source. This is what we ask for, so we can assess where you're getting your information. I'm tight on time so was able to read only the first paragraph. I'll try to give it more attention later, but what I've read seems more like a story than any sort of real historical assessment. Archangel Metatron? Really? Edgar Cayce is more down to earth but he is already known as a believer in Atlantis. I wanted to stretch minds on what is out there. I believe in angels (higher beings) myself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
back to earth Posted February 2, 2017 #170 Share Posted February 2, 2017 2 hours ago, papageorge1 said: I am suggesting these modern sources with psychic insight may be completely independent of Plato. Then we have disparate sources saying similar things. Interesting? Their information may be coming from a completely different place and source. I am intrigued and consider that something interesting may be going on. In my searches I have read some incredibly detailed stuff of Atlantean history. Indeed, the propensity for the human mind to create complex and detailed scenarios is amazing . Psychiatrists realised this some time back . 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papageorge1 Posted February 2, 2017 #171 Share Posted February 2, 2017 1 minute ago, Carnoferox said: Finally! A SOURCE! This is a joyous day indeed! And don't take it as I know for certainty about any of this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
back to earth Posted February 2, 2017 #172 Share Posted February 2, 2017 ...... you do realise , if you read 'real Archaeology ' ..... it has some incredibly detailed stuff as well ? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papageorge1 Posted February 2, 2017 #173 Share Posted February 2, 2017 1 minute ago, back to earth said: Indeed, the propensity for the human mind to create complex and detailed scenarios is amazing . Psychiatrists realised this some time back . But there may be truth too and not just imaginations. I can't always say with certainty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toast Posted February 2, 2017 #174 Share Posted February 2, 2017 1 minute ago, papageorge1 said: Edgar Cayce is more down to earth but he is already known as a believer in Atlantis. I wanted to stretch minds on what is out there. I viewed the whole text and I have to say that I never saw such a big pile of concentrated BS but I`m sure drugs (synthetic) were involved somehow. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
back to earth Posted February 2, 2017 #175 Share Posted February 2, 2017 2 hours ago, papageorge1 said: I might blow your mind by considering Akashic memory and spiritual memories that may be available to other entities. More Theosophy eh ? 'Spiritual Science ' . 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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