papageorge1 Posted February 2, 2017 #176 Share Posted February 2, 2017 1 minute ago, back to earth said: More Theosophy eh ? 'Spiritual Science ' . Correct. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
back to earth Posted February 2, 2017 #177 Share Posted February 2, 2017 1 hour ago, Carnoferox said: But it would still support your case in some way. Could you give just 1? Or will you keep your head in the sand? No way .... he well knows what will happen if he does ! he got like this before in other threads Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
back to earth Posted February 2, 2017 #178 Share Posted February 2, 2017 (edited) 58 minutes ago, Parsec said: Sorry, which Francis Bacon was a woo woo? This one? Just to understand. yes , he is part of the historical development of Atlantitis http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/rest.12084/abstract;jsessionid=0F42240522F75761E3D28EA0460AADBB.f03t01 ..... actually, I didnt refer to him as a woo woo , I said 'woo woo since then ' (just to pre empt any Baconites protests ) Edited February 2, 2017 by back to earth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papageorge1 Posted February 2, 2017 #179 Share Posted February 2, 2017 Here is another psychic source Lee Carroll: Answer: Do not make Human assumptions about the past. First, know that "Atlantis" is not just a city (although many think it is). It's a race. It's a philosophy, and it's a consciousness. Here are the simple facts. Combine these into anything you wish to call it, but don't limit it to the mythology you now call Atlantis. There is evidence on earth of races over 10,000 years old. It exists as artifacts on this planet. Some of the ones which are closest to the surface are in Arkansas. Simple. This information doesn't target a location, since the earth changed since the original civilization was there. Instead it gives evidence…empirical evidence, that your current history is incomplete, and that you really don't have understanding of when Humanity began. Landmasses were connected, religions and races existed that you don't give credibility to, and science was developed far beyond what you might expect. World navigation was understood, and even the concept of your solar system was known. The artifacts that may be exposed will show this. Some have been found and are currently being sequestered. If this continues, nothing will come of these revelations. The sequestering is due to fear, and nothing else. Controversial? Very. Others will find these artifacts and present them to the world, only to be laughed at due to the tremendous bias of what you have been taught. Even with proof, they will turn the other way. Expect this, but understand that eventually, when enough people see the truth, it will prevail. It always does. Then the textbooks will start being re-written. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
back to earth Posted February 2, 2017 #180 Share Posted February 2, 2017 51 minutes ago, Parsec said: Although it would be really cool if a real Atlantis (with advanced civilisation/flying machines/aliens/whatever included) existed, I don't think it's more real than Thomas Moore's Utopia or Tommaso Campanella's City of the Sun. They are not supposed to be real ! The word Utopia comes from the Greek: οὐ ("not") and τόπος ("place") and means "no-place", and strictly describes any non-existent society . https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utopia#Etymology 51 minutes ago, Parsec said: Maybe the only difference is that it is so far in time that it got a bit "lost" or it became itself mythos. Or maybe it's the fact that he wrote a "too good not to be true" allegory (that was also quite detrimental to the real message he wanted to convey through his dialogs). He wrote a 'too good to be true' device that could be nicked and massaged into a near 'white supremacist' view of history. The Euro imperialist expansions that civilised the rest of the ignorant and savage world .... was just like what the ( New Age ) Atlantians did ..... but they were really doing was being war mongering invaders , just like the (Platonic) Atlantians did Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
back to earth Posted February 2, 2017 #181 Share Posted February 2, 2017 56 minutes ago, kmt_sesh said: Okay, him too. He's not really an archaeologist but he seems to know all languages from all ancient civilizations and everything about their rituals and cultures, so that's just cool. He isnt a psychic cultural anthropologist is he ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parsec Posted February 2, 2017 #182 Share Posted February 2, 2017 4 minutes ago, back to earth said: yes , he is part of the historical development of Atlantitis http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/rest.12084/abstract;jsessionid=0F42240522F75761E3D28EA0460AADBB.f03t01 Well, I wouldn't call Bensalem nor New Atlantis "woo woo", at least no more than Plato's own Atlantis or the aforementioned Moore's Utopia. Other people could have used it as a basis for their own "woo woo"? Sure. Bacon woo woo (since you replied that he was indeed woo woo)? I disagree. P.S.: wow, I didn't know I like so much to use the term woo woo! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
back to earth Posted February 2, 2017 #183 Share Posted February 2, 2017 47 minutes ago, papageorge1 said: Atlantis Psychic Source You did it ! Now you for it I guess the Mods comment of 'near trolling' motivated you to expose yourself Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parsec Posted February 2, 2017 #184 Share Posted February 2, 2017 14 minutes ago, back to earth said: yes , he is part of the historical development of Atlantitis http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/rest.12084/abstract;jsessionid=0F42240522F75761E3D28EA0460AADBB.f03t01 ..... actually, I didnt refer to him as a woo woo , I said 'woo woo since then ' (just to pre empt any Baconites protests ) Eeeeeh, I didn't see your edit! Baconites, at ease! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
back to earth Posted February 2, 2017 #185 Share Posted February 2, 2017 36 minutes ago, papageorge1 said: But there may be truth too and not just imaginations. I can't always say with certainty. Okay, thats fair enough. But how do you discern what is the truth and what is imagination ... what is your yardstick ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
back to earth Posted February 2, 2017 #186 Share Posted February 2, 2017 15 minutes ago, Parsec said: Well, I wouldn't call Bensalem nor New Atlantis "woo woo", at least no more than Plato's own Atlantis or the aforementioned Moore's Utopia. Other people could have used it as a basis for their own "woo woo"? Sure. Bacon woo woo (since you replied that he was indeed woo woo)? I disagree. P.S.: wow, I didn't know I like so much to use the term woo woo! See my edit to that post ... I realised I let what you said slip by. I said woo woo writers since Bacon (and pre empted this observation ^ you made . I was psychic about that .... saw it coming Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Essan Posted February 2, 2017 #187 Share Posted February 2, 2017 27 minutes ago, back to earth said: He isnt a psychic cultural anthropologist is he ? Not to start with. But after ascending to godhood, and then returning to the mortal plane ...... Maybe? I would consider him a more reliable authority on Atlantis than Cayce or some of the others sugested in this thread 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Essan Posted February 2, 2017 #188 Share Posted February 2, 2017 16 minutes ago, back to earth said: See my edit to that post ... I realised I let what you said slip by. I said woo woo writers since Bacon (and pre empted this observation ^ you made . I was psychic about that .... saw it coming Kevin gets everywhere! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parsec Posted February 2, 2017 #189 Share Posted February 2, 2017 55 minutes ago, back to earth said: They are not supposed to be real ! The word Utopia comes from the Greek: οὐ ("not") and τόπος ("place") and means "no-place", and strictly describes any non-existent society . https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utopia#Etymology He wrote a 'too good to be true' device that could be nicked and massaged into a near 'white supremacist' view of history. The Euro imperialist expansions that civilised the rest of the ignorant and savage world .... was just like what the ( New Age ) Atlantians did ..... but they were really doing was being war mongering invaders , just like the (Platonic) Atlantians did I don't understand, are you explaining to me the meaning of utopia or to the readers at home? I think you and me sometimes have heavy communication issues. Did I say they are real? I said the exact opposite: Atlantis is as real as Utopia or the City of the Sun are, who we know pretty well are allegories of "perfect states" used by their writers to convey their world views and ideas. Regarding the "white supremacist" view of history, that's something else. Using another Greek term, we can say that Timaeus and Critias are mythopoeic (not in the modern Tolkenian meaning, but sticking to the original etymology) and gave birth to something that trascended themselves. Something so "good" or "powerful" that could an still can be used and adapted for every worldview one wants to stick it to. And if you read Plato's dialogues, first we have always to take into account the cultural distance between us and him, and second Atlantis wasn't the best, Athens was and indeed it won the war. Atlantis was a strong enemy, but it represented the wrong type state according to Plato. It's another narrative device to stress how strong actually we are, because we were able to defeat such a strong and fearful enemy and at the same time we show how our cultural model is better than the alternative. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parsec Posted February 2, 2017 #190 Share Posted February 2, 2017 42 minutes ago, back to earth said: See my edit to that post ... I realised I let what you said slip by. I said woo woo writers since Bacon (and pre empted this observation ^ you made . I was psychic about that .... saw it coming Uh-oh, did you just prove papageorge1 correct? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Wearer of Hats Posted February 2, 2017 #191 Share Posted February 2, 2017 I am a psychic, although I prefer the term Aetheric Detective, I would like to know which of the shower of frauds I call my fellow PappaGeorge has been listening to, because just the other day, I was consulting one of my Confidental Aethetic Tellers and they told me that Atlantis never existed beyond a free form Drabble created by some of the lions on the Ark. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parsec Posted February 2, 2017 #192 Share Posted February 2, 2017 28 minutes ago, Essan said: Kevin gets everywhere! Well, he is footloose after all! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanslune Posted February 2, 2017 #193 Share Posted February 2, 2017 The idea of 'lost civilizations' falls apart for the simple fact that the ones that weren't lost left behind tens of thousands and in many cases millions of pieces of evidence while the lost ones have left not a single item. This is instructive why do the civilizations that we knew of leave plentiful - overwhelming actually - amounts of evidence, yet the LC not a thing? As for psychic archaeologist it is unseemly strange that they are 'macro' archaeologist talking only in generalities and not 'micro' they cannot say were burials, pottery, cities, ruins, etc., are but at the same time they know said LC existed? Odd. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
back to earth Posted February 2, 2017 #194 Share Posted February 2, 2017 52 minutes ago, Parsec said: I don't understand, are you explaining to me the meaning of utopia or to the readers at home? Just giving some etymology to the readers at home to affirm your view 52 minutes ago, Parsec said: I think you and me sometimes have heavy communication issues. Okay . 52 minutes ago, Parsec said: Did I say they are real? I said the exact opposite: Atlantis is as real as Utopia or the City of the Sun are, who we know pretty well are allegories of "perfect states" used by their writers to convey their world views and ideas. Indeed , but the idea of Utopia seems to be touted by some ( not you ) to be as real a concept as they think Atlantis was , in this case , the word itself clarifies the concept. . . . . not that that would stop 'some' of affirming it isnt ( again, not you ) . 52 minutes ago, Parsec said: Regarding the "white supremacist" view of history, that's something else. Using another Greek term, we can say that Timaeus and Critias are mythopoeic (not in the modern Tolkenian meaning, but sticking to the original etymology) and gave birth to something that trascended themselves. Nice term ! 52 minutes ago, Parsec said: Something so "good" or "powerful" that could an still can be used and adapted for every worldview one wants to stick it to. And if you read Plato's dialogues, first we have always to take into account the cultural distance between us and him, and second Atlantis wasn't the best, Athens was and indeed it won the war. Even against such a world settling advanced technology that may have existed through the last ice age ? (I am joking , okay .) 52 minutes ago, Parsec said: Atlantis was a strong enemy, but it represented the wrong type state according to Plato. Yes. ( I am taking these comments as affirmations to my previous posts .... so I won't need to ask you 'where I said it wasn't ' the wrong type of state ) . 52 minutes ago, Parsec said: It's another narrative device to stress how strong actually we are, because we were able to defeat such a strong and fearful enemy and at the same time we show how our cultural model is better than the alternative. How strong 'we ' are ? ... I'd say 'how strong we could be' .... according to the 'model' ... as Plato envisaged it . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parsec Posted February 2, 2017 #195 Share Posted February 2, 2017 26 minutes ago, Hanslune said: The idea of 'lost civilizations' falls apart for the simple fact that the ones that weren't lost left behind tens of thousands and in many cases millions of pieces of evidence while the lost ones have left not a single item. This is instructive why do the civilizations that we knew of leave plentiful - overwhelming actually - amounts of evidence, yet the LC not a thing? As for psychic archaeologist it is unseemly strange that they are 'macro' archaeologist talking only in generalities and not 'micro' they cannot say were burials, pottery, cities, ruins, etc., are but at the same time they know said LC existed? Odd. Isn't it why they are lost? Otherwise they'd be "lost&found civilisations"! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swede Posted February 2, 2017 #196 Share Posted February 2, 2017 21 hours ago, Hanslune said: I wonder how 'psychic archaeology' differs from imagination? The distinction may be rather difficult to demonstrate. . 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harte Posted February 2, 2017 #197 Share Posted February 2, 2017 On 2/1/2017 at 2:19 PM, geraldnewfie said: i laughed when seen this, maybe the anchors were off a boat?, either fell off during a storm? I'm with you. Imagine that! Anchors! On the bottom of the SEA!!! Astonishing!!! Harte 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parsec Posted February 2, 2017 #198 Share Posted February 2, 2017 3 minutes ago, back to earth said: Just giving some etymology to the readers at home to affirm your view Okay . Indeed , but the idea of Utopia seems to be touted by some ( not you ) to be as real a concept as they think Atlantis was , in this case , the word itself clarifies the concept. . . . . not that that would stop 'some' of affirming it isnt ( again, not you ) . Nice term ! Even against such a world settling advanced technology that may have existed through the last ice age ? (I am joking , okay .) Yes. ( I am taking these comments as affirmations to my previous posts .... so I won't need to ask you 'where I said it wasn't ' the wrong type of state ) . How strong 'we ' are ? ... I'd say 'how strong we could be' .... according to the 'model' ... as Plato envisaged it . Ah! Now I understand! We say the same things, but since you live upside-down, they look the opposite! Mystery solved! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
back to earth Posted February 2, 2017 #199 Share Posted February 2, 2017 1 hour ago, Parsec said: Uh-oh, did you just prove papageorge1 correct? Not at all , Papa george has proved nothing . I have my own definition of 'psychic' ( but only when it works ) ; the unconscious goes about its hidden business of collating received info and impressions and then flashes the result to the conscious mind ... much like what some call 'intuition' - which itself seems most successful in areas where the person having the 'intuition' is most experienced ( eg. Nurses that show good 'intuition' seem to be the ones with the most nursing experience ) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarocal Posted February 2, 2017 #200 Share Posted February 2, 2017 1 minute ago, Harte said: I'm with you. Imagine that! Anchors! On the bottom of the SEA!!! Astonishing!!! Harte They actually used to tether Greenland in place until it broke free and drifted north finally scuttling it its current location. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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